Can a Chipped P28 be used to tune a B15c5?

[ejohnson88]

I have a chipped p28 for when I had a boost application, I was wondering if it could be used to tune an all motor B18c5. Thanks for the info.

[Vteckidd]

yes it can just load a new map to it

[SiRed94]

Absolutely.

[2turbo4u]

What is a B15c5?

[ejohnson88]

ITR motor...

[green91]

orly lol. b15c5 huh? 1.5l type-rrrrrr

[Kasper]

oh yeah DX TYPE R havent ya hurrrd. its the new thing.. there called DX-R's!

[Romeo]

oh yeah DX TYPE R havent ya hurrrd. its the new thing.. there called DX-R's!

i read the title and was like what is this?? honda motor i havent heard of?? lol. he just messed up the title. get off his testiculars. hey, at least he has a C5.

[BABY J]

Yes to answer your question it can be used. But I suugest a solution like Hondata over ANY chipped ECUs.

[Sentra]

Yes to answer your question it can be used. But I suugest a solution like Hondata over ANY chipped ECUs.

Why?

[Master Shake]

hey, at least he has a C5.

yessir:boobies:

[BABY J]

Why?

You can do realtime with Crome. The problem is that I have seen guys wanting to go to tuners wanting their cars tuned on Crome, yet none of them have a burner, none of them have Crome Pro, none of them have datalogging, and none of them have an Ostrich. They buy a basemap off some guy on the street and think they are good to go.

I have a burner and Ostrich from when my friends used S200 on Model T Fords - lol, but it is just a pain in the ass to use. You can achieve the same tune with Crome or other editing software, but it may take longer to get there. If you are paying a "reputable" tuner, then you are paying for their time. Anyone who can tune Hondata will be able to use Crome without a problem.

If you bought Crome Pro, datalogging, and an Ostrich, you spent around $400. Another $200 and you could have an S300 with more features. If the guy you are paying to tune your car has to spend an extra hour or two on the street or dyno because of the cumbersome software and chip burning bullshit, you just spent that $200 and then some.

Most guys with Crome won't pay for a real tune anyway. I hate to say it, but its a fact. They will spend thousands of dollars building a motor though, and then give some hack $50 to give them a basemap and drive their several thousand dollar motor around on that basemap no problem

A "tune" also doesn't consist of going to the dyno and doing some pulls for max power. That is what a lot of shops do, then on your drive home the car is sputtering and getting 15mpg because they didn't spend the time to do any streetability tuning. The right way to do this is pay a flat rate tuning fee, and drop the car off to the tuner for the day. Let them get all the driveability and fuel economy stuff out of the way, then go to the dyno and spend ONE hour trying to maximize the torque curve.

But - at the end of the day, YES you get the same tune with Crome/Uber/etc. But you may spend more money with the tuner themself than you would with a better program like Hondata. It is also pretty nice to have a summer map, winter map, race gas map, etc and just be able to hook your laptop into a USB and load whatever you want in there. You may find a lean spot or a hiccup and you just hook up, take 2 minutes and add 2% fuel, and you are done. Or....call your guy with a chip burner, wait a week for them to be able to work on it, go meet up with him so he can log your car, make his changes, then burn you a chip.

[Vteckidd]

if you are making sub 500whp and dont want to tune yourself, Crome is fine. It does everything S300 can that matters.

If you are into tuning your car yourself, S300 is much more user friendly, easier to understand.

S300 lets you write directly to the board, thats why it costs soo much, you install an entire board into the ECU.

CROME is nothing to be scared of, i recommend it to almost anyone because for the price you cant beat it.

[BABY J]

DISCLAIMER: By the way... if you are on a budget, there is nothing wrong w/ chips -- and I don't want to step on anyone's business who is in the game of chipping, burning, tuning etc. Just letting you know your options and the pros and cons of those options. For some guys, budget is more important than ease of use or a few more features... in that case, a chipped ECU is the best for your application and your pocket. It's also a little easier to get the project going w/ a chip until you can spring for a more robust solution - etc. ENJOY

[Sentra]

DISCLAIMER: By the way... if you are on a budget, there is nothing wrong w/ chips -- and I don't want to step on anyone's business who is in the game of chipping, burning, tuning etc. Just letting you know your options and the pros and cons of those options. For some guys, budget is more important than ease of use or a few more features... in that case, a chipped ECU is the best for your application and your pocket. It's also a little easier to get the project going w/ a chip until you can spring for a more robust solution - etc. ENJOY

Thats what I was looking for. Haha. I agree with you that realtime is amazing. Probly the most bonding type of moment you and your own car can have. But 90% of the people on here are all budget racers/tuners/ricers.

[Vteckidd]

Yeah but Crome PRO/GOLD has LIVE TUNE as well. Almost all the options Hondata has Crome has too.

CromePRO you have to pay for as well. So i dont consider it "free"

Cost Of Hondata S300
$595 S300 Board
$100 P28 ECU
$80 to install BOard into ECU

Cost Of Crome Pro
$180 for License of CROME PRO
$180 for P28 /socketed/chipped, with datalogging


S300-$775
CROME PRO- $360

Double the price for the 99% of the same features.

Both have boost options, both can do up to 5 bar map sensors, both have similar resolution on the fuel and timing tables, both have datalogging, both have ITB tools, both have live tuning capabilities.

Now, if you want to TUNE your car yourself, the S300 is setup for that with what i listed price wise. All you would need is a wideband. The crome PRO setup, you would need a wideband, ostrich, rom burner, stuff that can cost as much as $400 more depending on what you buy. With crome you cannot make an adjustment to the program unless you have an ostrich/burner. S300 doesnt require those things as it writes directly to the board.

So like i said, if you are just looking to have your car tuned, CROME is much cheaper, feasible, and there is NOTHING wrong with it. From the 600 cars scotty has tuned with it, from my 240whp NA motor to Spoolins 630whp turbo car.

If you want to learn how to tune, or do it on your car yourself, the S300 is much better suited for that. It gives you the ability to make changes yourself without having all the other hardware.

[Vteckidd]

Oh and the ONLY reason why some tuners refuse to tune on crome, is because they cant control the ECU chippers.

Ask scotty, if someone supplies and ECU without datalogging, it makes it almost impossible to tune the car, makes it much harder.

See with crome people just go out an buy an ecu, then take it to scotty to have it tuned. Theres alot of variables that can go wrong like bad Chips, crappy soldering, no datalogging, no zif socket, the list goes on an on.

With hondata, you know what you are getting.

Thats why most tuners will only tune on an ECU they provided.

[BABY J]

^^ Very good breakdown. Mike is my boyfriend.

[Master Shake]

from the 2 of you my iq on tuning just went up like 25points.
reps for both!!!

[BABY J]

^^ Stop tryna steal my boyfriend --- Mike is MINE!!

[scttydb411]

lol...that's cute.

a lot of good info in here and true on all accounts. it just depends on what the customer needs, wants, and to learn.

baby j don't worry about hurtin' our business...if my hondata sales go up i'll remember you later.

[BABY J]

^^ Good deal

[ejohnson88]

Lol I just realized that I had put 15 instead of 18 in the title... I was about to say... I was almost amazed at someone not knowing the engine code lol... anyways... for those out there.. i don't have a c5... I have an A2

[ejohnson88]

and I am not running chrome on that... this was a question I had for a friend of mine.