the best driving cars thread....

[m3dic8d]

Now wait a minute. Fwd by no means disqualifies a car from being a great driving machine.

Some examples.

1. Original Mini and the New Mini.
2. Peugeot 205
3. Civic Type R and Integra Type R
4. Renault R26
5. Focus SVT
ect...

In capable hands, any of these could be just as fun as a rwd car.

I agree that fwd can be a great driving machine, but disagree that it can compete with rwd and even awd. Put any kind of power to it and it's just to easy to oversteer. Maybe in auto x it can compete, but not 1/4 mile or obvious drifting.

But to each his own I'm not saying you're wrong, I just disagree

[EJ25RUN]

I agree that fwd can be a great driving machine, but disagree that it can compete with rwd and even awd. Put any kind of power to it and it's just to easy to oversteer. Maybe in auto x it can compete, but not 1/4 mile or obvious drifting.

But to each his own I'm not saying you're wrong, I just disagree

1/4 mile.....I'm assuming you have never seen Peter Hue's hatch/tegi.
Drifting.....Um. I don't see drifting as an example of proper driving.

Ohh......And what do you mean compete with?

[m3dic8d]

1/4 mile.....I'm assuming you have never seen Peter Hue's hatch/tegi.
Drifting.....Um. I don't see drifting as an example of proper driving.

Ohh......And what do you mean compete with?

I'm talking pure personal preference not meaning to argue with you. That's what I meant by compete with is all, in my opinion. I just think for the average driver (like myself) a fwd car won't give near the experience that a rwd or awd car will because the tires will be spinning the whole time you're driving. I loved my Eclipse but being fwd and me not being an excellent driver the wheels would just spin and spin. :shrug:

[EJ25RUN]

I'm talking pure personal preference not meaning to argue with you. That's what I meant by compete with is all, in my opinion. I just think for the average driver (like myself) a fwd car won't give near the experience that a rwd or awd car will because the tires will be spinning the whole time you're driving. I loved my Eclipse but being fwd and me not being an excellent driver the wheels would just spin and spin. :shrug:

I don't argue, i try to discuss. I consider myself the most civil person on this site.

I think that you have perfect grounds to like rwd and awd over fwd but i would suggest to you to go out and experience more cars to see why im making this point.

The thing about the spinning tires. Rwd cars typically have much more power and light up the rear fairly easily and most fwd cars. With the right suspension and tires will not light up at all. An lsd will help that greatly. I'll also add that most modern cars are built to cancel out as much torque steer as possible.

I have had all three. So i feel like i can make this point.

1. A rwd V6
2. A fwd I4
3. A awd B4 turbo.

[m3dic8d]

I don't argue, i try to discuss. I consider myself the most civil person on this site.

I think that you have perfect grounds to like rwd and awd over fwd but i would suggest to you to go out and experience more cars to see why im making this point.

The thing about the spinning tires. Rwd cars typically have much more power and light up the rear fairly easily and most fwd cars. With the right suspension and tires will not light up at all. An lsd will help that greatly. I'll also add that most modern cars are built to cancel out as much torque steer as possible.

I have had all three. So i feel like i can make this point.

1. A rwd V6
2. A fwd I4
3. A awd B4 turbo.

I'll admit I'm mostly comparing my Eclipse GST to my Mustang GT. They had about the same HP, Mustang obviously more torque but I didn't have near as much a problem with spinning the tires as I did on my Eclipse. Pretty much if I floored it in first gear the tires would spin a lot of the time, I didn't have that problem with the Mustang.

Probably my limited experience, but I like being able to spin the tires when I want rather than every time I floor it lol. Plus, having the back end come out on you is fun... having the front tires spin is not



But I do have limited experience and haven't driven a lot of the fwd cars you're recommending as great overall cars, they very well could change my mind... but I love the feeling of a controlled powerslide more than anything lol

[Joelow30071]

consider getting a 2006 or UP VW GTI 1.8T or 2.0T. They're a 6sp though. One of the best bang for you buck.

[87 Turbo II]

I agree that fwd can be a great driving machine, but disagree that it can compete with rwd and even awd. Put any kind of power to it and it's just to easy to oversteer. Maybe in auto x it can compete, but not 1/4 mile or obvious drifting.

But to each his own I'm not saying you're wrong, I just disagree

you mean it's too easy to understeer, 1/4 drag pulls have nothing to do with driving wheels, and drifting is very specialized motorsport, it'd be liek saying you hate The Acura NSX cause it can't rock crawl.