so sorry for gt-r owners

[kfzemx3]

I'm not choosing sides here just yet, I also said I want to know what caused this. If it was just driving with VDC off, then Nissan needs to look into the durability of their 70k supercar. All I'm saying is anyone who payed that kind of money for a car and then had to get a 20k tranny replacement soon after will be pissed, I know I would. And really a GT-R's tranny shouldn't be failing that early, unless the guy was using launch control at every red light or something.

I would be pissed as well, I think anyone would have. But still Supercars arn't cheap they arnt reliable and if your spending money on one you should have the money to make sure if something breaks you can fix it.

But really its Nissans Fault anyway, that last minute change button Icon was a little misleading, the original design would of kept him from breaking the car:

[87 Turbo II]

I would be pissed as well, I think anyone would have. But still Supercars arn't cheap they arnt reliable and if your spending money on one you should have the money to make sure if something breaks you can fix it.

But really its Nissans Fault anyway, that last minute change button Icon was a little misleading, the original design would of kept him from breaking the car:

haha nice

[JITB]

haha nice

i think i saw you on buford hwy sunday? was that u?

[87 Turbo II]

Yeah apparently, 2010's dashboard is a bit more honest.



@ JITB, no, wasn't there Sunday. The easiest tell with my 7, is that my front bumper is gray not body colored and my wheelss are black mesh with a polished lip. you HAVE met me if you're who I think you are though. Were you the one that spun out on a patch of mud at last years Pine Mountain meet with the protege guys? If so, I was in my TII then.

[slow_hatch]

Yeah apparently, 2010's dashboard is a bit more honest.

oh my gosh, thats funnny

[JITB]

Yeah apparently, 2010's dashboard is a bit more honest.



@ JITB, no, wasn't there Sunday. The easiest tell with my 7, is that my front bumper is gray not body colored and my wheelss are black mesh with a polished lip. you HAVE met me if you're who I think you are though. Were you the one that spun out on a patch of mud at last years Pine Mountain meet with the protege guys? If so, I was in my TII then.

naw that wasnt me.. the fc i saw had black mesh wheels with a polished lip..same color and everything.. maybe you were sleep driving...

[87 Turbo II]

naw that wasnt me.. the fc i saw had black mesh wheels with a polished lip..same color and everything.. maybe you were sleep driving...

oh no more blue FC, now it's a white FB, screen name is old and I don't like explaining I'm someone else.

[JITB]

oh no more blue FC, now it's a white FB, screen name is old and I don't like explaining I'm someone else.

naw man it was the white Fb..lol i promise it was YOU! lol or else someone has a twin of yoru car.

[XanRules]

Actually, you might want to rethink that. He could very well lose. It is expressly written in teh manufactures warranty booklet that driving with the VDC off will void the warranty. Right there Nissan and it's army of lawyers have the upper hand.

Sad day indeed for GTRs

that entirely depends on the judge, though. It's somewhat hidden. Also, Launch Control was a big selling point of the car, they were whoring it up all over television. But you can't use the launch control without turning the VDC off. Technically still legal, but very sneaky.

Also, judging from the SEVEN spaces to record transmission replacements provided in the OM, it's a safe bet that Nissan KNEW the transmission was the GT-R's Achilles Heel.

A lot of you guys might not understand this. The issue is not whether or not he can afford to fix it or whether or not he was beating the shit out of his car.
The issue is that Nissan put a button on the dashboard of their "supercar" that, if pressed, will void your warranty.

[StupidBikerBoy]

Thanks to Magnusson-Moss

It is illegal for any manufacturer to void the warranty unless they can PROVE that the modification/ change in question caused the problem. It is our right as consumers to modify what we pay for without question.

In the case of the GTR, it probably wont be to hard to prove turning off the VDC caused the problems considering it was specifically warned against in the manual. Obviously Nissan already new there were issues regarding this, which speaks a lot about them.

[yungdz]

that entirely depends on the judge, though. It's somewhat hidden. Also, Launch Control was a big selling point of the car, they were whoring it up all over television. But you can't use the launch control without turning the VDC off. Technically still legal, but very sneaky.

Also, judging from the SEVEN spaces to record transmission replacements provided in the OM, it's a safe bet that Nissan KNEW the transmission was the GT-R's Achilles Heel.

A lot of you guys might not understand this. The issue is not whether or not he can afford to fix it or whether or not he was beating the shit out of his car.
The issue is that Nissan put a button on the dashboard of their "supercar" that, if pressed, will void your warranty.

Of course, arguing that he turned it off to use launch control is going to raise red flags with the judge for doing it on the street

[XanRules]

Of course, arguing that he turned it off to use launch control is going to raise red flags with the judge for doing it on the street

yeah, but hopefully the judge won't get that sidetracked

[J13eck]

LOL fail

x2

[BATMOBL]

it looks to me any way you look at it the transmission is to weak for the driveline... other wise nissan wouldn't need a computer as an insurance policy. Im worried that if a stock GT-r with the vdc off will blow a transmission, the aftermarket wont be very good for this car. To bad they couldn't have just used the tried and true proper manual trans out of the r34 or at least made it an option.

[seanrg1116]

it looks to me any way you look at it the transmission is to weak for the driveline... other wise nissan wouldn't need a computer as an insurance policy. Im worried that if a stock GT-r with the vdc off will blow a transmission, the aftermarket wont be very good for this car. To bad they couldn't have just used the tried and true proper manual trans out of the r34 or at least made it an option.

not just nissan does it "HONDA DOES IT TO"

[IDCoconut]

Pretty much. However you're in the same situation with pretty much any car. Its true with a Z06 or ZR1 and I bet its the same with a 911 GT3RS, CGT etc as well.

Technically speaking these are street cars!

Yea, but they're damn transmissions don't fucking break after 10 launches......

Face it, Nissan fucked up on the tranny. This isn't the only one.

[seanrg1116]

Yea, but they're damn transmissions don't fucking break after 10 launches......

Face it, Nissan fucked up on the tranny. This isn't the only one.

I read all of this guys post and he beat the SH*T out of that car.

Yea the transmissions are weak "AMUSE" was saying that when they began modding theres, but they have cracked 600hp and are still on the original trans.

I believe the diff is seperating from the trans, or at least thats what the gt-r tech at nissan said

less than 5000 miles on the car and it already broke

[DeutscheBAG!]

lol

[Kaiser]

Magnussen-Moss doesn't apply to an option in the car itself really. It applies to the aftermarket, which this isn't. The GT-R is set up so that people who have the money and desire to want to race it, can. Those who want a street-ready supercar get that as well. Nissan was nothing but honest. Only way they could have been more honest is to put in the manual

Driving with the VDC off will not only void your warranty, but break your transmission through the abuse! It's obviously not designed to be driving with the VDC off, but we gave you the option because we love our customers and have heard all the other supercar owners bitch about the fact that the supercar makers have been installing nanny's in their cars to keep people from tearing them up after 5,000 miles. If you want to break your toy, go ahead, we won't stop you. We could have just prevented you from having a launch control system at all, or a way to turn off VDC, but you would have just bitched about that then too, right?

[Dwisforme05]

fuk nissan.

[YokotaS13]

Thanks to Magnusson-Moss

It is illegal for any manufacturer to void the warranty unless they can PROVE that the modification/ change in question caused the problem. It is our right as consumers to modify what we pay for without question.

In the case of the GTR, it probably wont be to hard to prove turning off the VDC caused the problems considering it was specifically warned against in the manual. Obviously Nissan already new there were issues regarding this, which speaks a lot about them.

except when it is written, most likely, in a document signed when you take delivery of a car that Xx and YY and ZZ will voiud your warranty

cant beat it when you sign it.
or if it is in hte owners manual (might be), owners agreements (i knwo the track thing is, where if you go to a track within XXX miles after the day you have to have an inspection done or warranty voided)