Mugen Civic RR

[EJ25RUN]

Do you think it's worth 60k? Just curious, no douchebaggery here.

4,700,000.00 JPY = 45,286.67 USD

Is it worth 45+ Grand? YES.

Here is why. I have read about 15+ publications from Japan, Europe, and even the U.S. magazines that have gotten their hands on that car.

It is being called the best fwd car ever made.

Now i have read a few of your posts and gather some things about your thinking. You are not a fan of fwd cars. So from the very start, you are gonna give this car a negative eye without caring to really go through and see what makes what.

Now it obviously isn't gonna cost Mugen 45K to build it. But that is where they make their profit just like any other company would when they make something special. But they aren't throwing a kit on a car and lettinging out the door either. And Mugen ranks much higher in the tuner world than even HKS and Trust. Remember Mugen has made F1 engines in their past and are currently responsible for building the SuperGT GT500 C32 for all the NSXs.

That is something that can be compared to Henry Royce putting your engine together. Everything at that high of a level costs a premium. There is no way you will like that car if you dislike fwd. But that car represents what the current gen Honda Civic can be.

To all the people talking about the S2K being a great drivers car: This is why me and Simon are trying to make a point on why so many race series continue to use FWD touring cars. They are more fun and provide better racing.

[alpine_aw11]

4,700,000.00 JPY = 45,286.67 USD

Is it worth 45+ Grand? YES.

Here is why. I have read about 15+ publications from Japan, Europe, and even the U.S. magazines that have gotten their hands on that car.

It is being called the best fwd car ever made.

Now i have read a few of your posts and gather some things about your thinking. You are not a fan of fwd cars. So from the very start, you are gonna give this car a negative eye without caring to really go through and see what makes what.

Now it obviously isn't gonna cost Mugen 45K to build it. But that is where they make their profit just like any other company would when they make something special. But they aren't throwing a kit on a car and lettinging out the door either. And Mugen ranks much higher in the tuner world than even HKS and Trust. Remember Mugen has made F1 engines in their past and are currently responsible for building the SuperGT GT500 C32 for all the NSXs.

That is something that can be compared to Henry Royce putting your engine together. Everything at that high of a level costs a premium. There is no way you will like that car if you dislike fwd. But that car represents what the current gen Honda Civic can be.

To all the people talking about the S2K being a great drivers car: This is why me and Simon are trying to make a point on why so many race series continue to use FWD touring cars. They are more fun and provide better racing.

Didn't expect this long of a retort. I'm not against FWD by any means, in all likelihood my next car will be FWD. I would just prefer RWD or AWD, but I'm not going to be able to afford one that would really fit what I'm looking for right now. Everyone was saying it costs 60k, 45 is more reasonable I suppose. Thanks for filling me in.

[EJ25RUN]

Didn't expect this long of a retort. I'm not against FWD by any means, in all likelihood my next car will be FWD. I would just prefer RWD or AWD, but I'm not going to be able to afford one that would really fit what I'm looking for right now. Everyone was saying it costs 60k, 45 is more reasonable I suppose. Thanks for filling me in.

Most people on this site don't ever look up what they post and end up starting a train of false info.

On the other hand there are Mugen people on this site that, well, i can say they are fans for the wrong reason but they don't know all that much about the company outside of street gear. You know, the ones left over form the JDM craze. I know NAIZBST is an exception to this and prolly knows more than me.

I keep an open eye toward every car and let it prove itself for what it is.

oh...btw.....Lets not forget that car was made for Japan and will never come to the U.S.A. That decision was obviously made by some business person that knew these cars would sell.

[alpine_aw11]

Most people on this site don't ever look up what they post and end up starting a train of false info.

On the other hand there are Mugen people on this site that, well, i can say they are fans for the wrong reason but they don't know all that much about the company outside of street gear. You know, the ones left over form the JDM craze. I know NAIZBST is an exception to this and prolly knows more than me.

I keep an open eye toward every car and let it prove itself for what it is.

Yea I think I'm starting to have a lot of unfounded bias against most JDM companies because of the new JDM fanboy craze. I just don't see the point in dropping unnecessary amounts of money on JDM parts that can be bought for half the price from companies who are trying to establish themselves, and are just as effective. But I prefer cars that aren't **** when you get them, but have massive amounts of potential. I just have that builder's mentality. So even if I could afford an RR and by some miracle could get my hands on one, I'd rather take the 45k and go build up a teg and an mk2 Gti. I respect the cars, but ones like this aren't for me.

[EJ25RUN]

Yea I think I'm starting to have a lot of unfounded bias against most JDM companies because of the new JDM fanboy craze. I just don't see the point in dropping unnecessary amounts of money on JDM parts that can be bought for half the price from companies who are trying to establish themselves, and are just as effective. But I prefer cars that aren't **** when you get them, but have massive amounts of potential. I just have that builder's mentality. So even if I could afford an RR and by some miracle could get my hands on one, I'd rather take the 45k and go build up a teg and an mk2 Gti. I respect the cars, but ones like this aren't for me.

Mugen is not just a tuner.

Mugen has a manufactures license. This is on the same level as a RUF, Saleen, Roush, Alpine, AMG, and every other established company that started out small and became a large company. If we travel back in time, Honda was racing at the Isle of Mann before they were making economy cars.

One last thing.

bias against most JDM companies because of the new JDM fanboy craze

Buddy, that craze began in 2002ish and fazed out in 2006. Or...maybe i just see it that way.

[alpine_aw11]

Buddy, that craze began in 2002ish and fazed out in 2006. Or...maybe i just see it that way.

From everything I've seen I would say it's alive and well.

[EJ25RUN]

From everything I've seen I would say it's alive and well.

The tuner world exists outside of what you read in mags and what shows up at the Varsity. But things in the car scene usually work the same way they work with everything.

I remember when drifting began. I'm talking about the period 2 to 3 years before Tokyo drift. Back when you didn't get laughed at for being a drifter. Then, the mainstream finds out and it becomes lame.