*-*H23/VTEC*-*H-Series Build Questions

[JDMirza]

Now for the answer you dont want to hear.

ITS STUPID, DONT DO IT.

Unless you have $5000 to spend, you wont be able to do it right and youll end up like youre last car, tons of problems and selling it for a discount.

If you can really sit here and rationalize to the NA Gurus of IA that .1 liter is worth the effort of doing stupid unreliable hybrid crap, please, enlighten me.

The H23/H22 Vtec is not nearly as simple as the LSVTEC. The h23 bottom end is a long stroke which means you cant utilize the RPMs that VTEC needs to make power.

The H23 is usually a tired old worn out engine, ive never seen one in good shape. So that means youre going to be doing a rebuild at minimum. Bearings, ARP Bolts, Balancing, etc.

Then you have the pesky Conversion to do, not hard, but now you need a headgasket, oil lines, machine work, etc.

Unless you are doing a BUILT motor the Hybrid VTEC stuff is STUPID.

Buy an H22, it will make 190whp STOCK. And H23 VTEC will make the same but unless you rebuild it WILL BLOW UP/SPIN A BEARING/BLOW A HEADGASKET.

You can sit here an try to justify how much BETTER it is, but ive been around a long time, unless you have the CASH to really rebuild it and do it RIGHT, its a WORTHLESS SWAP.

Youll have more headaches on your hands than power.

H22 longblocks are $900-1000 COM<PLETE. If you are bitching about that, then you shouldnt be doing a H23/VTEC swap, you just dont have the money to do it right, and thats ok.

The guru has spoken.

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YOUR THE BEST!!!

Just when I was about to go do some ignorant niggga s****, ya'll bring my high asss back down.
I will admit, I was set on that phacking H23/Vtec, and only my mother with "Jesus", himself, in hand, would have stopped me! But all of you are right, and I just didn't want to hear it. But just hear what I wanted my setup to be, and see how something of this nature could have been appealing to Honda-Whore such as myself:

H22 head w/STOCK cams & valvetrain w/a mild port
OEM H22 Headgasket
ARP Head Studs
OEM H22 Type-S pistons
STOCK H23 Rods shot peened & polished
OEM H23 Crank balanced

(I would have had all of the bottomend balanced with the flywheel & clutch)
EVO H2B kit
GSR Tranny

...and I'M NOT DONE YET! I WANTED to put all this in a EG or a EJ. Now, of course this was going to take atleast two years to do, but I wanted to build the motor before I had the car.

BUT... With that being said... .

...ashes to ashes and dust to dust... ........

Aight NOW!!! Enough with that BITCHASSNESS!!


Now, I'll probably just keep saving up, and get the other CAR first, then work my way up to the H2Bizzie. I guess I was just trying to put the cart before the horse...

STOOPID reps to all ya'll for keeping me from phacking up my credit with credit card booboo's from chasing a Unicorn-motor.

hey but why dont you still be different and get an h23 put type s pistons and a mild cam then you would have a high compression non vtec motor in an eg or ej.... i have talked about this with my prelude buddies and the math works in the favor of anybody who does this

[leobond001]

or and h22 block with a f20b head. the f20b heads are exactly the same as the type r accords. you'll have a type r accord motor minus the pistons.

or just the f20b. the vtec kicks harder than the dc2 type r. suposed to be really fun.

[IndianStig]

Why not just buy the H23 vtec? Its a blue top... Honda actually "created it"... and no its not an F20B I am talking about...

That engine is one of the best hidden secrets in honda history.

[TheChosenOne]

hey but why dont you still be different and get an h23 put type s pistons and a mild cam then you would have a high compression non vtec motor in an eg or ej.... i have talked about this with my prelude buddies and the math works in the favor of anybody who does this

Well, I'm still wanting to mate some F/H motor to a B-series tranny. The stock H22 with a B16 or GSR would be nice, but I just don't want to be too "monkey-see-monkey-do", ya know.

Maybe the H23 with the type-s pistons, but if I was gunna do that, then I'd just get a F22a and throw some 12:1 pistons it in, with a little head work and be just a quick. ... but who knows.

[leobond001]

i say you do a k. they have the parts. and how many k's are in a cb?

p.s. nice luggage rack to. look hella nice.

[K24cb7coupe]

Well, I'm still wanting to mate some F/H motor to a B-series tranny. The stock H22 with a B16 or GSR would be nice, but I just don't want to be too "monkey-see-monkey-do", ya know.

Maybe the H23 with the type-s pistons, but if I was gunna do that, then I'd just get a F22a and throw some 12:1 pistons it in, with a little head work and be just a quick. ... but who knows.

if you do h2b i think a gsr or type-r would be a better. imo

[allen8603]

real h23a ftw
will cost ya if you want one though
sometimes i wish i woulda just bought a h22 and spent the extra money on mods, but i can tell you it does pull on h22 with very similar mods and dyno stats. i cant really complain.
i just wanted to be different so dont let anybody sway your decision

[Ludester]

I read the first couple of pages and there are a few misleading info about making the hybrid. I'll tell you that it can be as reliable as you make it. I advise you not to rush and be very picky with the parts you use. The stock h23a that's in the wagon accord does not make that much power and you can make a lot more by piecing together a hybrid with the right components.

This should help you out a lot and If I was going to build a hybrid this will be my blueprint.
http://www.preludezone.com/showthread.php?t=9757


ps if you need more info I can point you in many useful directions.

[allen8603]

the h23a makes almost identical power numbers as a stock h22, the only difference is the power band is in a lower rpm range and it redlines about 500 rpm lower then the h22. all it is, is a 2.3 liter jdm h22 parts wise. crank and rods are different, other than that, all h22.

[IntegraXTR]

why not just get a euro R. Its a 2.3L from the factory and is the STRONGEST "H" out there. All the money you will spend to do a hybrid with bottom end work, you can just get a euroR.

[Ludester]

a euro r is 2.2L H22... not a h23...

[clean CD5]

I read the first couple of pages and there are a few misleading info about making the hybrid. I'll tell you that it can be as reliable as you make it. I advise you not to rush and be very picky with the parts you use. The stock h23a that's in the wagon accord does not make that much power and you can make a lot more by piecing together a hybrid with the right components.

This should help you out a lot and If I was going to build a hybrid this will be my blueprint.
http://www.preludezone.com/showthread.php?t=9757


ps if you need more info I can point you in many useful directions.

wow thats some nice NA power esp with a stock head!

[Ludester]

wow thats some nice NA power esp with a stock head!

Yes it is! he can't decide on cams. the last time i spoke to him he was leaning towards skunk2 pro2's but we'll see what he does.

[VickNotic]

ohh i got one for you.. youcan use f22 axles