TO ALL THE ZR1 LOVERS! LOL@ PRICETAG

[Alan®]

yea sorry i ment to put the comment about gm's debt seperately but eh. anyways any one that pays close to a hlaf million for a 120k car is an idiot.

[Roadster]

Anybody that has $400k to drop on a car probably isn't an idiot. Unless they were born into it or inherited it, but we all know that if it were one of us with that kind of money, it'd definitely be burning a hole in our pockets too. I'll be the first to admit that I'm jealous of those that get to see a ZR1 in the garage.

But when it comes down to the driving experience aspect of the Corvette vs. GT-R debate, I'd still take a damn ZO6 (instead of ZR1, because the prices are realistically comparable) over the GT-R--even if it is slower in showroom stock numbers--, because at least the Vette still lets the driver do the driving. The GT-R is an appliance, not a sports car.

[Alan®]

Anybody that has $400k to drop on a car probably isn't an idiot. Unless they were born into it or inherited it, but we all know that if it were one of us with that kind of money, it'd definitely be burning a hole in our pockets too. I'll be the first to admit that I'm jealous of those that get to see a ZR1 in the garage.

But when it comes down to the driving experience aspect of the Corvette vs. GT-R debate, I'd still take a damn ZO6 (instead of ZR1, because the prices are realistically comparable) over the GT-R--even if it is slower in showroom stock numbers--, because at least the Vette still lets the driver do the driving. The GT-R is an appliance, not a sports car.

You're kidding right? The GTR is an appliance? Tell that to Ferrari, who has more systems than a GTR, that what they produce isn't a sports car it's a toaster oven.

Anybody that has $400k to drop on a car probably isn't an idiot.

This statement is incomplete.

Anybody that has $400k to drop on a car probably isn't an idiot. But anyone who does needs to donate the $400k to charity. At the end of the day it's still just a corvette. IMHO GTR>Z06>ZR-1.

on a car probably isn't an idiot. Unless they were born into it or inherited it, but we all know that if it were one of us with that kind of money, it'd definitely be burning a hole in our pockets too.

Yes it would be but not on a ZR-1. I'd buy:
GTR-$70k
Supra-$30
Ferrari 550 Barchetta-$200k
Maseratti Quatroportte-$100

[Roadster]

You're kidding right? The GTR is an appliance? Tell that to Ferrari, who has more systems than a GTR, that what they produce isn't a sports car it's a toaster oven.

No need to get all worked up, I'm just old fashioned. I get a lot more into the man/machine connection than I do into dropping a bunch of money on a car that does all of it for you and doesn't let you make it your own. And on that score, the Z06 beats the GT-R for me. A few simple mods (because the Vette will actually allow it) and it'll outrun the GT-R. But yeah, stock for stock the GT-R is incredible.

But I guess everything is going to end up being nothing but techno-wizardry eventually, it's just the natural progression.

I'm really in awe of how much grip and speed they can get out of the GT-R and all of the other supercars that are riddled with computers these days, but it very nearly takes the driver out of the picture and that kills the fun for me.

[Deke]

It's not the dealers fault that the price is so high. It's the dumbass middle age men with too much money and not enough sense. If it weren't for the fact that someone would buy it, it wouldn't be so outrageous.

If they are indeed being sold for that much, the people buying them are no longer doing it just for performance. They're doing it for status.

[MongolPup]

Really not surprised. GM currently has 3 billion dollars in debt that it has to refinance over the next couple of years.I knew it was going to be around 200k but damn 400k. That's ****ed up. I am in the car business and it's stuff like this that makesw me hate this job. This is one form of business just seems to have absolutely no sense of ethics.

Sorry, but this logic is BEYOND flawed. GM will not profit from the dealers charging way over sticker; they sold the dealership the car at the cost they set. The owner of the dealership isn't going to say "hey, we made extra money on this car, let's send it back to GM!". GM isn't selling the car for that much, the dealerships are.

[man]

You're kidding right? The GTR is an appliance? Tell that to Ferrari, who has more systems than a GTR, that what they produce isn't a sports car it's a toaster oven.

A Ferrari is still a drivers car though. The GT-R is fast but from what I've seen it doesn't look that exciting to drive.

Some people are drivers, some just like going fast.

[Alan®]

Sorry, but this logic is BEYOND flawed. GM will not profit from the dealers charging way over sticker; they sold the dealership the car at the cost they set. The owner of the dealership isn't going to say "hey, we made extra money on this car, let's send it back to GM!". GM isn't selling the car for that much, the dealerships are.

you must have missed where i said i meant to seperate the first sentence.

[MongolPup]

you must have missed where i said i meant to seperate the first sentence.

I went ahead and edited it for you, thanks for clearing that up.

I'm still slightly confused as to why GM being in debt means that when dealers try to rip people off you aren't surprised. I was under the impression that every dealership, no matter the brand or how successful they are, is out there to make as much money as possible.

[Alan®]

I went ahead and edited it for you, thanks for clearing that up.

I'm still slightly confused as to why GM being in debt means that when dealers try to rip people off you aren't surprised. I was under the impression that every dealership, no matter the brand or how successful they are, is out there to make as much money as possible.

Let me rephrase entirely what I meant.

I'm not entirely surprised that they are going for what they are going for. That being said with GM 5 billion in debt I'm also not surprised that they asked for the dealers to honor the sticker price for PR reasons but, hey I mean if you're a dealer and know you have something that billy bob down the road will pay close to a half million for wouldn't you try to sell it for that? I'm in car sales and the saying goes selling a car is like trying to hook up with a chick. You don't know if you can hook up with her on the first date if you don't ask.

[MongolPup]

Let me rephrase entirely what I meant.

I'm not entirely surprised that they are going for what they are going for. That being said with GM 5 billion in debt I'm also not surprised that they asked for the dealers to honor the sticker price for PR reasons but, hey I mean if you're a dealer and know you have something that billy bob down the road will pay close to a half million for wouldn't you try to sell it for that? I'm in car sales and the saying goes selling a car is like trying to hook up with a chick. You don't know if you can hook up with her on the first date if you don't ask.

Ah, that is MUCH better wording. Thanks, I see now where you are coming from. Your first post did a miserable job of conveying all that.

[Alan®]

Ah, that is MUCH better wording. Thanks, I see now where you are coming from. Your first post did a miserable of conveying all that.

yea i know i was kinda distracted when I first posted it.

[Elbow]

You're kidding right? The GTR is an appliance? Tell that to Ferrari, who has more systems than a GTR, that what they produce isn't a sports car it's a toaster oven.


This statement is incomplete.

Anybody that has $400k to drop on a car probably isn't an idiot. But anyone who does needs to donate the $400k to charity. At the end of the day it's still just a corvette. IMHO GTR>Z06>ZR-1.

Yes it would be but not on a ZR-1. I'd buy:
GTR-$70k
Supra-$30
Ferrari 550 Barchetta-$200k
Maseratti Quatroportte-$100

You are a DUMB ASS sir.

A Ferrari is a toaster oven? Right. Not anyone cand drive a Ferrari fast, and they even make cars where NOTHING is on it, raw ****! The GTR is a PIECE, over priced Japanese piece of ****. Comparing the ZR1 and GTR is like comparing a F430 and a Civic SI.

[Alan®]

You are a DUMB ASS sir.

A Ferrari is a toaster oven? Right. Not anyone cand drive a Ferrari fast, and they even make cars where NOTHING is on it, raw ****! The GTR is a PIECE, over priced Japanese piece of ****. Comparing the ZR1 and GTR is like comparing a F430 and a Civic SI.

Reading comprehension is key my friend. I didn't say that the ferrari is a toaster oven. I said that calling the GTR an appliance is like calling a ferrari a toaster oven.

I would still hardly call the GTR a piece. And obviously the comparisson can be made since GM were the ones to call it out. If they didn't want people to compare the two they wouldn't have called it out. THE ZR-1 has 100+ hp on the GTR and only ran a marginally faster lap time than a base GTR. The spec v will blow it out of the water no question.

[Truegiant]

well i am hoping all the c6 zo6 owners buy one so i can pick up a clean used z06 off of someone~!~ anywho..

[chhs_lax]

You are a DUMB ASS sir.

A Ferrari is a toaster oven? Right. Not anyone cand drive a Ferrari fast, and they even make cars where NOTHING is on it, raw ****! The GTR is a PIECE, over priced Japanese piece of ****. Comparing the ZR1 and GTR is like comparing a F430 and a Civic SI.

If the GTR is a piece what's that make your Miata? I'm not trying to insult you or anything but that's just an incredibly retarded statement to make. You're just saying that for the sake of being a douchebag, you don't have any substantial evidence that would make a GTR a "piece" as you called it.

[OneSlow5pt0]

miata is a eurpeon piece

[Roadster]

The GT-R is a speed appliance. I guess that's a little more specific to the point. It does the going fast for you and makes you look like you know what you're doing.

I don't see why people can't see the real point here though. Yes, the GT-R is faster than the Z06 stock for stock, and only a little bit behind the ZR1.

But what people forget is that the Vette is a muscle car. Muscle cars have, throughout the ages, been sold as a starting point that can be vastly improved upon. The Z06 is no different. The GT-R, however, doesn't allow much tinkering. It would take very very little to make even the Z06 soundly outrun a GT-R.

But I'm sure once somebody makes a Z06 faster than a GT-R, or some other company one-up's Nissan, everyone will start harping on about the GT-R getting better gas mileage or some BS, anything to keep it in the lead on something.

[chhs_lax]

The GT-R is a speed appliance. I guess that's a little more specific to the point. It does the going fast for you and makes you look like you know what you're doing.

I don't see why people can't see the real point here though. Yes, the GT-R is faster than the Z06 stock for stock, and only a little bit behind the ZR1.

But what people forget is that the Vette is a muscle car. Muscle cars have, throughout the ages, been sold as a starting point that can be vastly improved upon. The Z06 is no different. The GT-R, however, doesn't allow much tinkering. It would take very very little to make even the Z06 soundly outrun a GT-R.

But I'm sure once somebody makes a Z06 faster than a GT-R, or some other company one-up's Nissan, everyone will start harping on about the GT-R getting better gas mileage or some BS, anything to keep it in the lead on something.

That's what sucks about the GTR. Older skylines were like muscle cars as you said, what you got was good, but you have the potential for 1000 hp if you want it. The new GTR completely misses the point in that aspect.

[Alan®]

That's what sucks about the GTR. Older skylines were like muscle cars as you said, what you got was good, but you have the potential for 1000 hp if you want it. The new GTR completely misses the point in that aspect.

The new motor has plenty of potential and with it being the pinacle of driving technology it just makes it that much better. If you saw the new top gear from this past week every engine is unique and the transmissions are unique to each motor. Although the motors from the factory are rated at 480 supposedly they were dynoed at even more than that. I wouldn't be surprised to see a stock motor 1000whp GTR in the next year.

[OneSlow5pt0]

i just hate those VQ engines so much

[JITB]

im about 3 more retarded posts from un subscribing....

[EJ25RUN]

G.m. brands are the worst at ridiculous price markup.

I remember when the Pontiac G8 first came out, dealers wanted 8K over MSRP. I laugh at the fact GM will ever get to where they once were. Its like the end of the British motor industry is in sight for American brands.