13b Turbo Miata W/pics

[redrumracer]

Really? It ran for days, I ran my Civic at Road Atlanta with basically no oil. I ran that car for weeks dry of oil. Do it and prove me wrong

do it and have proof of it and prove yourself right

[OneSlow5pt0]

iirc,u should drive a rotary hard sometimes so carbon doesnt build up.............rotary are reliable,only one that ive ever seen that gives loads of trouble is the 13b-rew......just keep them oiled and u will be ok

[green91]

A well rounded engine shouldn't have to be beaten on to be reliable.. im sure none of us are easy on our cars but to say you've gotta wind a rotary out so that it gets a sufficient amount of oil seems liked a flawed design by what you say. I understand rotary concept, I've seen a few apart but haven't rebuilt any myself. So the minuscule details that only a seasoned rotary technician would know i don't. But by your own description, you've realistically admitted a downfall in the design.

[OneSlow5pt0]

A well rounded engine shouldn't have to be beaten on to be reliable.. im sure none of us are easy on our cars but to say you've gotta wind a rotary out so that it gets a sufficient amount of oil seems liked a flawed design by what you say. I understand rotary concept, I've seen a few apart but haven't rebuilt any myself. So the minuscule details that only a seasoned rotary technician would know i don't. But by your own description, you've realistically admitted a downfall in the design.

thier not flawed,just a different way of doing everything.........its almost like saying GM's LSx is flawed because everyone else is using DOHC V8s,but some how with thier cavemen pushrod its one of the best engines in the world

and a Rotary engine is way more simple than a piston engine

[David88vert]

A well rounded engine shouldn't have to be beaten on to be reliable.. im sure none of us are easy on our cars but to say you've gotta wind a rotary out so that it gets a sufficient amount of oil seems liked a flawed design by what you say. I understand rotary concept, I've seen a few apart but haven't rebuilt any myself. So the minuscule details that only a seasoned rotary technician would know i don't. But by your own description, you've realistically admitted a downfall in the design.

The turbocharged engine was designed to be run as a high performance car - not a grocery getter. If you use the engine the way it was designed to be used, it lasts a long time. If you do not, it will not get what it needs, and will wear out quickly. That's true for any engine. Rotarys were designed to be revved high, not babied. That is not a design flaw.
Run a stock B16 at 8K for 1 hr straight and watch it blow up. Is that a design flaw? No, it is improper usage.
Run a 13b-rew at 1500 rpm for 4 hrs straight and watch it blow up. Is that a design flaw? Again no, it is improper usage.

[green91]

As far as moving parts, timing components, etc yea they are a great design and its neat how they get the power out of a smaller displacement engine doing so. But they do have their faults also. Ive been in several newer rx8 that have nearly no compression with low miles. Look at how many FD and FC have had an engine replaced by 100k.. hell even mazda has extended warranties on the renesis just to keep customers happy since the motors are failing.

[David88vert]

As far as moving parts, timing components, etc yea they are a great design and its neat how they get the power out of a smaller displacement engine doing so. But they do have their faults also. Ive been in several newer rx8 that have nearly no compression with low miles. Look at how many FD and FC have had an engine replaced by 100k.. hell even mazda has extended warranties on the renesis just to keep customers happy since the motors are failing.

The Renesis did have a flooding problem. You have to warm them up fully when you crank them. Never start them up, then just turn them off. Once in a while, they will flood if you do that.

The FD's suffered from only 2 issues - not enough cooling, and not enough oiling. Again, they needed to be run harder, and the cooling system (oil and coolant) was not adequate for non-wot applications.

[OneSlow5pt0]

The Renesis did have a flooding problem. You have to warm them up fully when you crank them. Never start them up, then just turn them off. Once in a while, they will flood if you do that.

The FD's suffered from only 2 issues - not enough cooling, and not enough oiling. Again, they needed to be run harder, and the cooling system (oil and coolant) was not adequate for non-wot applications.

thought that was true of all Rotary to let them warm up,before driving hard or cutting it off....i rememeber cutting my FC off to soon and it flooded

[DecoyOctopus]

the rx8 motor is the renesis and it dosent have a flooding problem like the fc fd and fb

The Renesis did have a flooding problem. You have to warm them up fully when you crank them. Never start them up, then just turn them off. Once in a while, they will flood if you do that.

The FD's suffered from only 2 issues - not enough cooling, and not enough oiling. Again, they needed to be run harder, and the cooling system (oil and coolant) was not adequate for non-wot applications.

[David88vert]

thought that was true of all Rotary to let them warm up,before driving hard or cutting it off....i rememeber cutting my FC off to soon and it flooded

Yes.

the rx8 motor is the renesis and it dosent have a flooding problem like the fc fd and fb

Actually, the 2004 did. All of them pretty much have that issue. Simple solution - warm them up properly.

Really? It ran for days, I ran my Civic at Road Atlanta with basically no oil. I ran that car for weeks dry of oil. Do it and prove me wrong

You don't seem to understand how motors work. I know of a Civic run without oil. It was shot in a few minutes - not hours, days, or weeks. Oil lubricates and cools the motor. It is even more important than coolant to an engine. Even a Dodge 225 can't run long without oil - about 30 minutes to an hour depending on load. So no, I don't believe you for a second that you were running RA without oil.

[Kalifornia087]

My current FC has 230k miles on it, and the last two years the previous owner (friend of mine) has done nothing buy drag/drift in it. I'll be drifting/autocrossing it as well.
I have owned several FC's, one n/a car had 270k on it and was still running. One was a Turbo II And it had about 165k and still ran just fine.
I also have a CRX that i daily that has 308k miles, and it runs awesome.

It's all in how you drive it/maintain it. I hate when people down a car just because they listen to stereotypes.

[GSRteg®]

Hmmmm interesting