Takata makes what???

[afwfjustin]

if this is becoming a common sense issue, then let me give my ameteur & equally important opinion

ok. so a factory seatbelt is a strap that crosses the torso & a strap over the waist, right, so a 4-point harness also has a waist strap, but instead of a single torso belt, there are two that connect to a camlock in the center of the waist rather than just 1 coming from a lock on your right side.....where is the hazard?

Nobody answered your question and I think it's worth answering due to safety. In case of a rollover, the OEM 3 point allows you to lean forward or to the side to protect your head. With a harness, you are stuck in place and your head could be crushed. If you're running a harness without a roll cage, good luck to you.

[yudalicious]

The OEM 3pt belt allows your upper body to lean forward to avoid submarining, 4pt doesn't. In an event of crash and possible submarining, bye bye organs. The reason why Schroth 4pt belts are DOT legal is that they have a provision that allows movement just like a OEM 3pt... and I don't know anyone that runs them for HPDE, only for autocross.

Bottom line: spending alot of money on non-approved 4 pt takata belts (or even the approved 5/6pt belts) when there's equal quality and cheaper alternatives = ultimate fanboy. What's next, cusco bolt in cages for ultimate roll over protection? They ARE jdm blue.

Please explain how the camlock is going to "go through your stomach." Unless you have the harness adjusted WAY wrong (i.e. tightening the shoulder straps and letting the lap straps ride really high up) it wouldnt be any different than an OEM belt. The camlock does obviously protrude more than a factory lap belt, but its not going to impale you; if it was, it would in a race situation also.

As far as submarining goes, same deal really. If adjusted properly I dont see why a 4-pt would have a greater risk of submarining over a factory belt. Again, if youre pulling the lap belt up too high when you tighten the shoulder belts then all bets are off.

And yes I have been in a car with with racing harnesses.

[afwfjustin]

^ That's exactly what I said The Cusco comment was a good add-in though. I wouldn't trust one of those either...

[yudalicious]

^ That's exactly what I said The Cusco comment was a good add-in though. I wouldn't trust one of those either...

well, aside from preventing you from crushing your head, the OEM 3 pt will also prevent submarining, whereas a 4pt (like the Takata) won't. The Schroth 4pt is able to be DOT because it makes a provision for that on the material of a certain part of the belt. I wouldn't rock a cusco cage because blue is out, pink is the new jdm.

[Elbow]

Well said, and lol at the Cusco comment.

[speedminded]

False, Schroth makes the only DOT and FMVSS approved racing harnesses that I know of.

Repeat one thing I said that was false. I've worked and crewed for one of the few major Schroth harness distributors in the southeast and used them in all the race and street cars.

..but i never mentioned anything about who made what. I was making the point that 3 and 4 points are not legal in racing for a reason...they aren't made for high speed accidents and do not provide the protection needed in a roll over. Four points on the street in a car that never exceeds the speed limit is plenty of protection.

[afwfjustin]

I wouldn't rock a cusco cage because blue is out, pink is the new jdm.

[JDMrequired]

Nobody answered your question and I think it's worth answering due to safety. In case of a rollover, the OEM 3 point allows you to lean forward or to the side to protect your head. With a harness, you are stuck in place and your head could be crushed. If you're running a harness without a roll cage, good luck to you.

thanks for answering...but i still dont see why...most people in a crash, especially high speed or a rollover, dont even have enough time to say "oh ****!", much less react quick enough to move their body to the left or right to avoid being crushed.....

[The Yousef]

Ummm, gee whiz Wally, Takatas sure are swell harnesses!

i literally LOL'd at that comment...

[jaystar]

ppl who cant afford it always *****

[YokotaS13]

I never saw the point in 4 point harnesses much less over priced green ones

never been to a track day huh?

[speedminded]

thanks for answering...but i still dont see why...most people in a crash, especially high speed or a rollover, dont even have enough time to say "oh ****!", much less react quick enough to move their body to the left or right to avoid being crushed.....

lolol *sigh* 3 point belts DO NOT hold you in place in serious accidents. That is a GOOD thing because without a cage a normal vehicle does crush on impact. The lap belts prior to the 80's injured people internals on impact so the 3 point was introduced enabling the impact to be absorbed over a larger area of the body...they are not meant to hold you in place securely like a race harness, it's just to prevent you from smashing your face into the steering wheel and windshield.

[Elbow]

ppl who cant afford it always *****

[JDMrequired]

it's just to prevent you from smashing your face into the steering wheel and windshield.

airbags are useful too