Takata makes what???

[skillzilla]

Yeah you are right, because a harness bar is safe... And those submarine belts mandated in every form of real motorsport is just to cause a headache You ever been in a car with a 4 point? What keeps that camlock from going through your stomach in a wreck?

Please explain how the camlock is going to "go through your stomach." Unless you have the harness adjusted WAY wrong (i.e. tightening the shoulder straps and letting the lap straps ride really high up) it wouldnt be any different than an OEM belt. The camlock does obviously protrude more than a factory lap belt, but its not going to impale you; if it was, it would in a race situation also.

As far as submarining goes, same deal really. If adjusted properly I dont see why a 4-pt would have a greater risk of submarining over a factory belt. Again, if youre pulling the lap belt up too high when you tighten the shoulder belts then all bets are off.

And yes I have been in a car with with racing harnesses.

[yudalicious]

The OEM 3pt belt allows your upper body to lean forward to avoid submarining, 4pt doesn't. In an event of crash and possible submarining, bye bye organs. The reason why Schroth 4pt belts are DOT legal is that they have a provision that allows movement just like a OEM 3pt... and I don't know anyone that runs them for HPDE, only for autocross.

Bottom line: spending alot of money on non-approved 4 pt takata belts (or even the approved 5/6pt belts) when there's equal quality and cheaper alternatives = ultimate fanboy. What's next, cusco bolt in cages for ultimate roll over protection? They ARE jdm blue.

Please explain how the camlock is going to "go through your stomach." Unless you have the harness adjusted WAY wrong (i.e. tightening the shoulder straps and letting the lap straps ride really high up) it wouldnt be any different than an OEM belt. The camlock does obviously protrude more than a factory lap belt, but its not going to impale you; if it was, it would in a race situation also.

As far as submarining goes, same deal really. If adjusted properly I dont see why a 4-pt would have a greater risk of submarining over a factory belt. Again, if youre pulling the lap belt up too high when you tighten the shoulder belts then all bets are off.

And yes I have been in a car with with racing harnesses.