Rebuild check list

[japan4racing]

if i rebuild the motor and get it tuned properly, then i shouldnt have any problems with the sleeves cracking at that low hp. cj had a full 2.25" exhaust and that created a ton of backpressure and heat. thats why his messed up. he made 3 wot pulls back to back to back and thats what did him in.

it shouldnt have had any probs with ringlands either but it did. i had a buddy with an ls/vtec that may have been making 180whp that cracked 2 sleeves all motor ont he break-in ride home. its not a matter running low or high hp...its a matter of running any amount of hp after going into a motor and leaving stock parts that can break very easily. you can do as you please with your money and your motor. but you are setting your self up for heartache. im not really trying to jump in your shit about this but i just dont understand why the hell you wouldnt take care of all the parts while you are in there. it makes no sense to me to take the motor apart, half ass build it, and slap it together only to hope it holds. you may be better off slapping some used p72's in there untill you have the money saved to do it right. when you were in the land of intakes and headers it was semi-ok to skimp on the important stuff..but you are in big boy toy land now. it needs to be done right. im telling you this as a freind, patrick, because you are steady on your way to becoming one of those stories ppl tell when the question pops up about why or why not you shold be sleeving a motor. i have told ppl a million times..do it right the first time not the second, third, or fourth time. there is a reason why i have had the same stock gsr motor and 2 different turbo set-ups on it and it still runs strong.....just make sure you know what you are doing before you get into a money pit.

[patrick4588]

it shouldnt have had any probs with ringlands either but it did. i had a buddy with an ls/vtec that may have been making 180whp that cracked 2 sleeves all motor ont he break-in ride home. its not a matter running low or high hp...its a matter of running any amount of hp after going into a motor and leaving stock parts that can break very easily. you can do as you please with your money and your motor. but you are setting your self up for heartache. im not really trying to jump in your shit about this but i just dont understand why the hell you wouldnt take care of all the parts while you are in there. it makes no sense to me to take the motor apart, half ass build it, and slap it together only to hope it holds. you may be better off slapping some used p72's in there untill you have the money saved to do it right. when you were in the land of intakes and headers it was semi-ok to skimp on the important stuff..but you are in big boy toy land now. it needs to be done right. im telling you this as a freind, patrick, because you are steady on your way to becoming one of those stories ppl tell when the question pops up about why or why not you shold be sleeving a motor. i have told ppl a million times..do it right the first time not the second, third, or fourth time. there is a reason why i have had the same stock gsr motor and 2 different turbo set-ups on it and it still runs strong.....just make sure you know what you are doing before you get into a money pit.

what reason would that be? you yourself said how you are still on a basemap after 6 months and you beat the shit out of your car. id say you are lucky more than anything else. and yeah i still agree that sleeves is a very good idea. i just dont have the bread for it. if you are saying its unsafe to run any amount of horsepower, then why not get the block sleeved on any rebuild? the only reason your buddy with 180whp would have cracked a sleeve is a bad tune. he must have detonated a lot and leaned out or something. i have never heard of anyone cracking a sleeve on that low of hp. if you are going to sleeve it, why not just get a dart block? there is always something else you can do to your motor. im not building this car to be a drag car. it wont ever see 400+ horsepower on these pistons. this will be a nice daily setup that i can take to the track every now and then. i am on 550cc injectors, and im not changing them out anytime soon. i will be shooting for the exact same horspower level i was before i blew it. the forged pistons are better than cast, and thats all this rebuild really is. a stock rebuild with better pistons and rods.

[japan4racing]

what reason would that be? you yourself said how you are still on a basemap after 6 months and you beat the shit out of your car. id say you are lucky more than anything else.

i am very lucky to have a motor that is still holding up to the task of boosting it like i am. but if anything happens and i have to go in the motor you can bet your ass im sleeving it. there is no way in hell i am pulling my motor, taking it completely apart, putting some rods and pistons in, and putting it back together.....i would be cheating myself.

i just dont have the bread for it.

this is not the hobby to have if you dont have the "bread" for it. its expensive enough toying with cars at a beginner level....when you get to where you are now you need to have funds. you gotta pay to play.

if you are saying its unsafe to run any amount of horsepower, then why not get the block sleeved on any rebuild?

all im saying is that while you are in there you need to sleeve it. a sleeve can crack at any hp level. it typically happens at higher levels but it can happen at lower levels....and dont you think that after you build this to stock specs with stronger pistons and rods you are gonna be putting out about the same power?? which would be what?...300-325whp??? you say pistons are not gonna give..guess whats next in line.....why get the block sleeved on any rebuild...becuase you are in there and its very good preventative maintenance. you know you are building a motor that is gonna get beat on. you know you are building a motor that is gonna be used like it was never intended to be used. regardless of it being a dd or a race car..you are gonna beat on it...and as you have already found out it only takes one time to break something. why even set yourself up for a disaster? if you were rebuilding your moms car i say do whatever you want..toss autozone pistons in there and call it a day. but you are building a car that is gonna be at the track occationally, will see some street racing action (you cant deny any of that as i have heard of numerous races on the street with you involved), and overall is gonna get beat on pretty regular....you need the sleeves.

I say save your money until you can do it the right way the first time

in the end it's your call

definately do it right the first time.....but it is your call....you do what you gotta do. stock sleeves will hold alot of power on a very good tune. you may never crack one..or you may crack one the day you crank it up for the first time. i hope it all works out for you becuase i would hate to have to say i told you so after you crack a sleeve.