Prelude SH VS Integra GSR

[my97lude]

Alright guys, i want to get everyones opinion on this. What car would you guys rather have a 97-01 Prelude Type SH (Active Torque Transfer System) or the 98-01 Integra Gsr. In your opinion whats an all around better car? What looks better, what would handle better, whats quicker, etc? (trying to understand why people have more respect for the teggy)

I actually own a 98 prelude type sh so my opion will obviously be bias. I have yet to drive a gsr, however i still think their great cars. A few months ago i was in the market for a new car and came really close to getting a gsr. I just think people ragg on the preludes alot and i want to know why? everyone says it weighs alot but does 300lbs really make that big of a diff.? the preludes got more horses than the integra so would that make up for it? Anyways, here are my pros and cons for both cars.

Prelude
Pros: looks great, very underrated, somewhat rare unriced (my car is all stock), atts is amazing, has 5 lug rims, 2.2l H-22 w/ 200 horses, has a better resale value
Cons: Weight, no leather, engine doesnt react well to bolt ons (you really have to spend a lot of money to see gains)

Integra
Pros: The B18C is an amazing engine to mod (reacts great to a few bolt ons), its only 2700lbs, better gas mileage, the 98+ gsr's came standard w/ leather, there are a lot of after market parts,
Cons:Everyones got one and they are kind of played out, people rice the shit out of them, its acuras "civic"

[cactusEG]

go with the lude

[GSRteg®]

I would go with the integra GSR bro. There ugradable and fun to drive just my .

[my97lude]

i would love to see a quarter mile race between the two. stock for stock. im also curious to know which one handles better. has anyone driven both cars (stock)?

[The Ninja]

Umm... doesn't the GSR make 200-220? stock on a 2.0l engine? weighs less than a lude, so I'm guessing it would beat the lude in the 1/4. And to me, ludes handle like 98-02 Accords. Sorta... boat-like.

[my97lude]

Umm... doesn't the GSR make 200-220? stock on a 2.0l engine? weighs less than a lude, so I'm guessing it would beat the lude in the 1/4. And to me, ludes handle like 98-02 Accords. Sorta... boat-like.

huh? the integra makes 170 hp from a 1.8l. the lude makes 200 horses from a 2.2l. the teg weighs 2700 lbs and the ludes about 3000 lbs. trust me, they dont handle anything like the 98-02 accords. i dont know where you got that from.

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Handling can always be fixed. Mine (97 EX Accord) handles like its on rails but id still go w/ a GSR. Lude is too heavy. Unless you wanna go w/ an Accord w/ a H22

[The Ninja]

huh? the integra makes 170 hp from a 1.8l. the lude makes 200 horses from a 2.2l. the teg weighs 2700 lbs and the ludes about 3000 lbs. trust me, they dont handle anything like the 98-02 accords. i dont know where you got that from.

From personal experience. I've driven a number of ludes.

Sry about the engine mixup.

[efman]

ludes are slow as hell handling wise, i've seen some try to go fast in the mountains and it just did'nt work out, bodyroll galore on those !!!!

[latoilette]

well. I have both of these cars.
except, my prelude is not SH.

I pick prelude the winner. Better styling, more confortable ride, H22 is much more fun to rev than B18c. hmmm.... however, in both kyb agx and eibach shock setup, i think integra handles slightly better than the prelude.

[my97lude]

there is a HUUUGGEEE diff. between the type sh and the base model. you guys have to rmr that. the sh handles like a rwd car.

[Crazy Asian]

Trust me stick with the Lude its more fun to drive then the GS-R and that thing is so common place I would never ever get it even if it had a Type R swap.

[Crazy Asian]

AHAHAH BODY ROLL GALORE!!! HAHAH those guy dont know nothing about suspension on a Prelude. The best where it handles like on a rail is GC with Koni Yellows. Nothing comes close even those Tein Coilover. Trust me there's so many well modified Preludes that use those. You'll know the difference.

[Crazy Asian]

Just look at all the options I posted. America got shafted so bad its not even funny. If you had those options oyu would never EVER sell your Prelude.

[Crazy Asian]

Oh and one of the seats not shown is the rare Type S seats which are nearly impossible to find. Too bad i found some and buying. XD!!!!

[my97lude]

ohh i know dude...i am well aware of all the jdm shit out there. i am pissed that we didin get any of that stuff over here. even with the usdm stuff and some of the jdm stuff that is accessible it is still pretty good.

[The Yousef]

And to me, ludes handle like 98-02 Accords. Sorta... boat-like.

are you high?


did the prelude you drive have blown struts?

[soplocar]

GSR FTW!!!!! you have more room to play with!!!!

[Nissangeek]

I'd go with the GSR but I'm kinda partial to the B18. Did honda ever make a 'Lude Type-R? I saw one with what looked like OEM type-r badging but I didnt think they ever made one. Just curious.

[my97lude]

they made a lude SIR and a lude type S. both of them had a 220 horsepower engine would rape a type r. i believe the type s had atts like the type sh. not sure though

[Crazy Asian]

FUCK. Okay Type S came with ATTS. The SiR-S came with LSD SiR-4WS came with the 4WS whic is similar to the 4th gen.USDM SH came with ATTS.. And you think it has bad handling....then um how come it won the Car and Driver Award for Best handling for $30,000

[my97lude]

crazy asian....i want to see some pics of your lude

[Crazy Asian]

Not done yet soon. Just waiting on a new paint job and a supension.

[josh green]

I would go with the GSR, parts are cheap and plentiful. WHO HONESTLY gives a shit that a bunch of people have them? There are a ton of ludes out as well. Not so many 5th gens b/c they were way overpriced by the end of their run. Price tags were close to the $30k mark. The lude has always been honda's test car. It was the 1st to have a hydraulic clutch, disk brakes, and state of the art suspension. The biggest reason people choose the GSR over a lude is from, the engine, transmission, weight, price of mods, price of body panels, PARTS INTERCHANGEABILITY, these are all things that people want. We all know the engine and tranny in the ludes are a little disappointing. The engine has things that other honda engines do not have that people wind up removing anyway like the balance shafts. The tranny doesnt have that sporty of gearing for the weight that the 4 cylinder engine has to haul, it has cable shifters that are known to break. The B series engines and transmission are near indestructible and replacement parts for them are much cheaper and easier to buy.
I remember when I had my lude, it was such a pain to work on the car. Putting the clutch in the car was a huge pain. Preludes have always had some goofy cross members and shit on the car.

Basically if all you want to do is drive the car and have a nice handling car thats not a turd buy a lude. If you want to buy a car that you are going to try to make fast, track race or drag race the gsr would be the better choice. Stock for stock the GSR is probably the faster of the 2 and the lude being the better handling. The 5th gen lude takes most of its styling from the 88-91 years so it has a little more old school styling, back when hondas had low longer hood lines.

The prelude type-s HAD the ATTS system, you are thinking of the prelude SIR-S spec that has the LSD tranny and NO ATTS.

[my97lude]

booooo....heres one of mine. i dont know what i want to do with it yet.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t...e/000_0208.jpg

[josh green]

I have a friend who has 91 lude, and he is huge into handling and I have yet to drive or ride in a fwd honda that handles like his and his isnt even a 4ws. It has an extremely close geared tranny and cruises 80mph at close to 5k. The engine is far from hondas finest but it has nice qualities. It is a factory 2L that has a 95mm stroke so it is very torquey and pulls extremely well out of the corners. That car in 88-91 was $20k!!!!!!!!! That car was hondas true test car, something they made completely different in the other models and the next generation of lude.

[my97lude]

i always thought the prelude was quicker from 0-60. there are soo many times out there, the quickest time i heard was either 6.7/6.8 lude and 7.1 for the teg.

[Crazy Asian]

AAHAHAH that's what you think. Ton's of lude you do know that compared to GS-R Honda Prelude and the only model to have a low number due to the cost. Ya if you see one, those are high mileage and finding one with low mileage is rare. Trust me Honda Prelude are not common as you think it is. If it was then more ppl would be modding them. But a lot and I mean a lot are trashed. So ya.
Also why is that then a lot of Eks use the H22 for boost instead of Type R wouldnt you be getting more nope...Torque. H22 puts out more torque then any other 4 cyl engine Honda made. you also know that the best (wish we had it) was the Euro R tranny. Basically its the sibling of the Type R tranny with almost close to the same ratio of the gear. GS-R in my book the only way to get it to be good is if you swap out the engine and everything which in my book not worth it.

Also have you ever driven an SH with a heavily modified engine. Trust me it handles and performs better then the previous models. I know that cuz I have several friends who have SH and LSD in their Prelude and on track they can take corner faster then those GS-R or whatever you want to it to be.

[Crazy Asian]

6 Seconds...WTF!!! Some Prelude ran a close 5 second Flat almost to a near high 4s. And his his all NA. Boosted of course that's a whole another dimension.

1/4 the best one so far that was NA was like 13.7 or so I think.

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i say get the lude first off being that there isn't many out there...... second being watch this i know it is a forth gen but all honda could do was get better and actually they really didn't change the suspention btw the two here is the video showing the preludes handling capability http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7JjvHqEEM8

[TypeRPersonality]

I've owned a 99 SH myself and have driven numerous GS-R's too. I would choose the Prelude. Even my friends who are GS-R owners admit that the Prelude is an all around great car.

Stock, a Prelude is faster, higher trap speed and it's torque makes up for it's weight.

A lot of Prelude parts are rare and expensive, but if you got the money, it wouldn't cause the Prelude to be a bad candidate.

[josh green]

Also why is that then a lot of Eks use the H22 for boost instead of Type R wouldnt you be getting more nope...Torque. H22 puts out more torque then any other 4 cyl engine Honda made. you also know that the best (wish we had it) was the Euro R tranny. Basically its the sibling of the Type R tranny with almost close to the same ratio of the gear. GS-R in my book the only way to get it to be good is if you swap out the engine and everything which in my book not worth it.

Also have you ever driven an SH with a heavily modified engine. Trust me it handles and performs better then the previous models. I know that cuz I have several friends who have SH and LSD in their Prelude and on track they can take corner faster then those GS-R or whatever you want to it to be.

The H series is NOT used NEAR as much in drag racing over the B series. The B series have a better flowing head and out perform the h22's in boosted applications. This is true as well in all motor. The fastest all motor drag racing record was held by a B series engine until the almighty K series came out. Not to mention that the fastest FWD honda ever uses a B series engine. Try to type a little better, its kinda hard to understand what you are saying.

EDIT: Lastly, you cannot run a lot of power through the ATTS system. Back when I was in the preludepower.com days people were messing up trannies when they were making 300whp through them. Worlds fastest drag prelude is still in the mid 11 seconds, you can find it on honda-tech.

[dumpdaccord]

quick question, if you get a GSR, where do you intend to keep it? and where do you intend to drive it?

its a highly desired car and not worth the trouble of trying to keep if you ask me. when you park a car you shouldnt have to worry about tow trucks and petty theives(although every make&model of car gets stolen this specfic has been in the top 10 for years).

just my 2cent.

[Crazy Asian]

I know that ATTS isnt that great because when you reach a certain speed I think it was 80, ATTS goes off or does something. Also consider this. My friends NA Prelude is pushing 245HP at the engine not sure at the wheels but Brian Crower Stage 2 cams,valves,springs, blueprint and balanced engine, port and polish, SMSP Header, Blacktrax intake maifold, Type S pistons with Golden Eagle Rodgs, and free flowing 2.5 exhaust....ya Im kind of going how does a GS-R NA beat that.

[Crazy Asian]

Oh and to top it all of he's getting rid most of em cams and what not to get the Brian Crower Stroker kit.

[Julio]

I know that ATTS isnt that great because when you reach a certain speed I think it was 80, ATTS goes off or does something. Also consider this. My friends NA Prelude is pushing 245HP at the engine not sure at the wheels but Brian Crower Stage 2 cams,valves,springs, blueprint and balanced engine, port and polish, SMSP Header, Blacktrax intake maifold, Type S pistons with Golden Eagle Rodgs, and free flowing 2.5 exhaust....ya Im kind of going how does a GS-R NA beat that.

how does he know what he's putting at the crank and not the wheels? I think hes bench guessing... put that bitch on the dyno and then talk #'s.



I would take a GSR..

[The Yousef]

I would take a GSR..

fuk u!




























~flees~

[Crazy Asian]

he dynoed..it and it showed at the engine. He lost they dyno sheet but I think he was using that dyno-meter or what the dyno where they take off your wheel and dyno it. Im not sure. But he rape's his poor Prelude. Every time he takes it out to Pomona that poor tranny takes such a beating I cant believe its alive.

[my97lude]

the type sh can only handle about 240-250 and then the atts will cut out. people have talked about adding a cooler, but usually when you boost a car you have to go obd1 and that right there will take out the atts. even so, i personally dont care about how fast a car goes in a straight line. all i know is my type sh owns on curves and stuff.

[BlkCD5]

I would go with the lude.