im sorry they made only 460whp
im sorry they made only 460whp
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If you build the car yourself there is noway it will cost anywhere near 15k. I am assuming you have the motor already and dont need too buy them.
YOu can price everything out
GE sleeves are 750.00 plus shipping 100.00 thru www.camp1320.com
Pistons range 450-500 Cp but you can get Je for like 300
Eagle Rods are 280.00
Headgasket 90.00
ARP headstuds 100.00
Oil pump@ water pump 160.00
timing belt 50.00
That bottom ENd 1890
Ok now the head
Supertech Valves,springs @ retainers 550.00
Labor installing them going 1mm over 400
Intake manifold 280.00
total 1230
Now as far as the turbo kit it just depends on how crazy you wanna go,
Usally we can pieces a whole turbo kit toghter for 2500-3000 that includes hondata,it just really depends how crazy you wanna go with that.
Not all head need to be port and polished, altough i dont know much about D series i know B series will hold out just fine. And if you look at the full race car, the built motor that did 460 blew up the night before the race and they installed a stock motor, so when he was on pinks that was on a stock D series motor, not the built one!
And if you feel like spending 15k building your car let me know ill sell u my whole car for 18,500 and it has everything you can dream of!
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Street Power Kit(Eagle): Turbo/All Motor
- For the budget turbo build. Used in daily driven and competition race cars. Proven in many setups 300-600hp.
- Arias Piston sets are complete with pistons, rings, locks and wrist pins.
- Eagle Connecting Rods with 3/8 ARP rod bolts.
- Darton MID Sleeve Kit
- Retail $1600.00 - $1700
Kit price $1280.00 for D-series
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Last edited by B18c1Turboed; 01-12-2007 at 02:56 PM.
Originally Posted by B18c1Turboed
1) if he doesnt know what a FMIC is, then i highly doubt hes capable of building this kind of motor
2) YOur pricing is kind of off
GE sleeves are 750.00 plus shipping 100.00 thru
thats without machine work, if you plan on not honing, boring, balancing thats stupid. budget $500 for GOOD machine work.
Pistons range 450-500 Cp but you can get Je for like 300
JEs are $300 WITHOUT RINGS
Eagle Rods are 280.00
thats about right if you have a hook up
Headgasket 90.00
right
ARP headstuds 100.00
right
Oil pump@ water pump 160.00
right
timing belt 50.00
right
You forgot bearings, lower gasket kit, water pump, tensioner, clutch unless you build motors reusing that kind of stuff
Turbo kit wise, you MIGHT be able to scrape by, but i doubt it dont you guys run $1200-1300 full race manifolds?
lets see for a 400whp D series you would need:
Tubular manifold of some sort ours run $850, others 650-1200
3in Downpipe $150-250
Wastegate $210
BOV of a name brand sort $200
RC injectors $360 for plug an play, $300 for resisitor box
FMIC $200
Piping $300 with GOOD tbolts, clamps and couplers
Crome PRO with ECU $180 or Hondata S300 $600 +ECU ($180)
Oil lines an fittings $150
That assumes you can tap an weld an oil pan, and do all the fabrication yourself.
your estimate doesnt have headwork which you have to have to make over 350whp, valvesprings, retainers, vavle job, valves, camshaft, intake manifold, etc.
Also, this guy was asking abuot STROKER kits, Custom cam, custom everything, and thats more money which you didnt address. Halfwit spent around $7000 for a built BLOCK, vtec head, new OEM parts, MSPi turbo kit with TDF manifold and on low boost he got 285whp out of it with a STOCK HEAD. We are getting springs, ret, cam for it in the next week or so, and we should be able to see around 350whp on race gas with it.
you see my point. sometimes its best not to cheap out.
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thats uninstalled. I just paid $650 to have sleeves put into a B motor, and that still doesnt have bearings, or any oem parts, head studs etc.Street Power Kit(Eagle): Turbo/All Motor
- For the budget turbo build. Used in daily driven and competition race cars. Proven in many setups 300-600hp.
- Arias Piston sets are complete with pistons, rings, locks and wrist pins.
- Eagle Connecting Rods with 3/8 ARP rod bolts.
- Darton MID Sleeve Kit
- Retail $1600.00 - $1700
Kit price $1280.00 for D-series
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bet on $3000 once its all said an done
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I guess this is where we have to agree to disagree, because I know that it don’t take no where near the amount you have stated, but you are a shop so you have too included labor prices.Originally Posted by Mr. KiDD
The Machine shop we use for hone, boring, and decking are blocks charge us like 120.00 I think it was, as far as balance the crank I had Laskey racing do mine and I want to say I paid 250. I can’t recall that.
Of course when using a shop you will pay more, because you have too included labor. So 15k to build and install isn’t that bad I think. But just in parts I would say to build a 400whp car it would be roughly about 8k. And that’s doing it right!!
And you cant compare are manifold to what he is trying to do, or put toghter because we go for higher HP so of course we will always pay more than others!
If you want my suggestion I would go B series, theirs a lot of people building 600hp cars on stock sleeves. For the same amount you are going to build a 400hp D series you can have a B series with a lot more HP. And parts for B series are a lot cheaper too, because they so easy to find!
Originally Posted by B18c1Turboed
your right machine shops are different in prices. i had some quote $250, some $500 to COMPLETELY machine a motor.
the guy we use now is prob the best in the state and he aint cheap but ive had great success with him so ....
i agree, B>D in terms of that kind of power
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the full-race pinks car was build cheap, with most of the parts donated or obtained for free .. The idea was that they would have a car that they could loose if it came down to it ... It did make around 460WHP as I remember. The whole story is on their website.
but I don't see why you think that the stock sleeves are not strong .. Retard the timing appropriately, and those are gonna be just fine