Showdown July 30th grudge matches?

[Vteckidd]

If you don't understand, then read what's in front of your eyes.

There's repeated emphasis on B series winning in competition. Well, Duh. Duh being the point.



What he said

to answer your question from a NON FANBOY point of view..........

Actually the FASTEST cars meaning the fastest NA and Turbo competition TRACK CARS are both K Series (last i checked). But those guys are backed by sponsors and others with money, back up motors, etc. Example Skunk2 ran 9.6 5-6 years ago setting the world record when K Series were relatively new. K series broke the elusive 350whp barrier NA and now the 400whp Barrier NA. So they are better in every shape and form.

However, they are incredibly expensive to put into the older chassis. I dont care what anyone tells you, i worked at 3 shops and my job was to figure out what it costs to do swaps and work. You have guys that do their own work, or find deals on used stuff here and there but the AVERAGE person will pay $3000-4000 more for the K Series with almost negligent hp differences.

a BONE STOCK K20A2 MIGHT make 200whp(some make more, some make less but average is about 200whp). Thats stock motor, swap header, stock ecu, etc. My stock ITR motor made 200whp. difference is mine needed $300 mounts to install in my CRX. K20 needs mounts , clutch lines, fuel lines, ps delete, shifter box cut out, blah blah blah blah.

So, for the AVERAGE person modding their car, its extremely expensive to do a K Series especially when you factor in labor costs. So it deters people from doing it.

Likewise the story with the cars here in Atlanta is there is only recently a bunch of Ks running around. The Ks are stock motors with bolt ons, vs "fully built" (even though i hate that term) B Series. So you have relatively stock motors in the K Series versus the highly modifed B Series.

If you take mod for mod the K will almost always win provided everything else is equal.

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to answer your question from a NON FANBOY point of view..........

Actually the FASTEST cars meaning the fastest NA and Turbo competition TRACK CARS are both K Series (last i checked). But those guys are backed by sponsors and others with money, back up motors, etc. Example Skunk2 ran 9.6 5-6 years ago setting the world record when K Series were relatively new. K series broke the elusive 350whp barrier NA and now the 400whp Barrier NA. So they are better in every shape and form.

However, they are incredibly expensive to put into the older chassis. I dont care what anyone tells you, i worked at 3 shops and my job was to figure out what it costs to do swaps and work. You have guys that do their own work, or find deals on used stuff here and there but the AVERAGE person will pay $3000-4000 more for the K Series with almost negligent hp differences.

a BONE STOCK K20A2 MIGHT make 200whp(some make more, some make less but average is about 200whp). Thats stock motor, swap header, stock ecu, etc. My stock ITR motor made 200whp. difference is mine needed $300 mounts to install in my CRX. K20 needs mounts , clutch lines, fuel lines, ps delete, shifter box cut out, blah blah blah blah.

So, for the AVERAGE person modding their car, its extremely expensive to do a K Series especially when you factor in labor costs. So it deters people from doing it.

Likewise the story with the cars here in Atlanta is there is only recently a bunch of Ks running around. The Ks are stock motors with bolt ons, vs "fully built" (even though i hate that term) B Series. So you have relatively stock motors in the K Series versus the highly modifed B Series.

If you take mod for mod the K will almost always win provided everything else is equal.

i couldnt have said it better myself sir....thanx

[EmminoDaGreat]

to answer your question from a NON FANBOY point of view..........

Actually the FASTEST cars meaning the fastest NA and Turbo competition TRACK CARS are both K Series (last i checked). But those guys are backed by sponsors and others with money, back up motors, etc. Example Skunk2 ran 9.6 5-6 years ago setting the world record when K Series were relatively new. K series broke the elusive 350whp barrier NA and now the 400whp Barrier NA. So they are better in every shape and form.

However, they are incredibly expensive to put into the older chassis. I dont care what anyone tells you, i worked at 3 shops and my job was to figure out what it costs to do swaps and work. You have guys that do their own work, or find deals on used stuff here and there but the AVERAGE person will pay $3000-4000 more for the K Series with almost negligent hp differences.

a BONE STOCK K20A2 MIGHT make 200whp(some make more, some make less but average is about 200whp). Thats stock motor, swap header, stock ecu, etc. My stock ITR motor made 200whp. difference is mine needed $300 mounts to install in my CRX. K20 needs mounts , clutch lines, fuel lines, ps delete, shifter box cut out, blah blah blah blah.

So, for the AVERAGE person modding their car, its extremely expensive to do a K Series especially when you factor in labor costs. So it deters people from doing it.

Likewise the story with the cars here in Atlanta is there is only recently a bunch of Ks running around. The Ks are stock motors with bolt ons, vs "fully built" (even though i hate that term) B Series. So you have relatively stock motors in the K Series versus the highly modifed B Series.

If you take mod for mod the K will almost always win provided everything else is equal.

The allmotor cars are pretty much close between k/h and i think a b around there all in 10's....

The turbo cars..... Miller runs a B....