New GA all motor K series record

[Vteckidd]

I down play our 250 hp motor but with a h2b and b16 tranny it would hit 270 all day .

I disagree

Ill be willing to beat jasons motor will make close to 280 if not more just dont have the time to put it in right now but it is done . That motor is nothing like the build that have sitting ready to be assembled . I have everything and all machine work is done just need the time to assemble it . Im not sure what the hold backs were back in the day but a 300hp h series dd is more then do able .

Do it then. Im sorry im going to disagree with you, ill bet you $100 jasons doesnt make anywhere near 280whp. Thats not saying im rooting against you, im just saying going from 250 to 280 isnt a matter of 2mm extra stroke and a ported head.

If we are going to start doing this kind of bench racing ricer numbers then im gonna say i would have made 260 with Jenvey ITBs instead of my $100 AEBS manifold, and 280 with a RLZ head and race gas instead of a $500 street port and 93 octane.

You guys are rediculous lol

Of coures in the all motor world you have to have displacement to make power which kills the b series . Yes that can be overcome by reving it to 10,000 rpms but like mike said it want stay together . i got a couple things that will change the h22 world around here realy soon . Its not that hard in the h22 or k series world . the trans has always killed the h series that has been fixed. Every healthy stock h motor dynos around 285 . Every healthy stock h2b motor dynos around 210 . Do the math 252 plus 25 equals 278 , Im not saying it will kae that but 270 all day long . Enough money ill prove it . Shit we got two resonators and a hudge muffler just to keep the small 2.5 inch exaust quiet lol. I could turn that motor into a serious beast very easy just no need when you have another one even bigger.

The only problem i have with that is its guessing. My car made 199whp with a 2.25in dual resonator exhaust. I had mainstream install a 2.5in straight through exhaust with a new muffler and you know how much power i picked up............ZERO. I made 237whp with a 3in exhaust, i dropped it and went open header, you know how much power i gained.....ZERO.

I made 199whp with STOCK ITR cams, STOCK ITR intake and TB, i switched to a Skunk2 manifold, 70mm TB and skunk2 stage 2 cams, i picked up 4whp.

I can sit here an name you 100000 instances where "upgrading" doesnt make any power. SO to use a blanket statement like "well a stock h22 makes XX and a H2b makes XX therefore mine should make XX" is a stretch.

Jasons motor should make a lot, but im much more of a pessimist than you guys are. He thinks if you make 250 with Tuner 2s hes going to automatically make way more with PRO2s, thats not always the case, and when he goes through enough motors he will understand that.

Apply that to a non built motor. if you believe as you guys are typing then youre telling me PRO3s will make more power in a stock B16 than ITR cams, when i know that is NOT TRUE.

Mike you coming to stretches open house ? I want to take you for a ride lol.

Not planning on it, that crowd doesnt interest me. I dont want to stand around in 98 degree heat and watch hondas dyno. If matt and chunky go i might swing by for a minute. But i plan on being at a pool with beer all weekend, so we will see.

[MidnightAuto]

I disagree




Do it then. Im sorry im going to disagree with you, ill bet you $100 jasons doesnt make anywhere near 280whp. Thats not saying im rooting against you, im just saying going from 250 to 280 isnt a matter of 2mm extra stroke and a ported head.

If we are going to start doing this kind of bench racing ricer numbers then im gonna say i would have made 260 with Jenvey ITBs instead of my $100 AEBS manifold, and 280 with a RLZ head and race gas instead of a $500 street port and 93 octane.

You guys are rediculous lol




The only problem i have with that is its guessing. My car made 199whp with a 2.25in dual resonator exhaust. I had mainstream install a 2.5in straight through exhaust with a new muffler and you know how much power i picked up............ZERO. I made 237whp with a 3in exhaust, i dropped it and went open header, you know how much power i gained.....ZERO.

I made 199whp with STOCK ITR cams, STOCK ITR intake and TB, i switched to a Skunk2 manifold, 70mm TB and skunk2 stage 2 cams, i picked up 4whp.

I can sit here an name you 100000 instances where "upgrading" doesnt make any power. SO to use a blanket statement like "well a stock h22 makes XX and a H2b makes XX therefore mine should make XX" is a stretch.

Jasons motor should make a lot, but im much more of a pessimist than you guys are. He thinks if you make 250 with Tuner 2s hes going to automatically make way more with PRO2s, thats not always the case, and when he goes through enough motors he will understand that.

Apply that to a non built motor. if you believe as you guys are typing then youre telling me PRO3s will make more power in a stock B16 than ITR cams, when i know that is NOT TRUE.





Not planning on it, that crowd doesnt interest me. I dont want to stand around in 98 degree heat and watch hondas dyno. If matt and chunky go i might swing by for a minute. But i plan on being at a pool with beer all weekend, so we will see.

Just because you didnt know how to make things work, doesnt mean it doesnt work....

[Vteckidd]

I'm sorry you haven't tuned or modded as many cars as I have or been part of as many builds as me where I've seen where you aren't always guaranteed a power gain. Bigger cams doesn't always mean more power

If you are going to argue that them I'm going to of out because the intelligence level of this forum has gone in the toilet

[Vteckidd]

I love how if it's something you disagree with it's because you didn't do it. Like your gods gift to hondas.

Oooooo you know so much more than all of us/sarcasm

When you can keep your car from having shifter problems and axles pop out maybe then you can move onto other things oh wise one :lame:

[MidnightAuto]

I love how if it's something you disagree with it's because you didn't do it. Like your gods gift to hondas.

Oooooo you know so much more than all of us/sarcasm

When you can keep your car from having shifter problems and axles pop out maybe then you can move onto other things oh wise one :lame:

Sad part is even with all the problems our blue car has its still faster than ANYTHING you have ever had... Im not even gonna respond to the rest of cuz Im laughin too hard...

Really Im in tears over here.. LMAO
You really are an idiot!!!!!

[justnprsh07]

Sad part is even with all the problems our blue car has its still faster than ANYTHING you have ever had... Im not even gonna respond to the rest of cuz Im laughin too hard...

Really Im in tears over here.. LMAO
You really are an idiot!!!!!

Lol so true and he is the one to be sayin we act like were gods gift to hondas lol I know I dont know alot but apparently I know more then him... Damn just admit when your wrong or just stop posting and everyone will forget...

[MidnightAuto]

Lol so true and he is the one to be sayin we act like were gods gift to hondas lol I know I dont know alot but apparently I know more then him... Damn just admit when your wrong or just stop posting and everyone will forget...

Hes bored... But then again so am I.... LMAO I deal with idiots like him all the time.. Had one half way decent car and now he thinks he is a genius.

[Vteckidd]

Just because you didnt know how to make things work, doesnt mean it doesnt work....

you realize you just dissed James and Charles from Mainstream, as they did all the work to my CRX. So congrats you just called out James and Charles. Good luck with that one.

Look i dont have all day to sit here and explain physics to you, but an engine is an air pump. When you fill the cylinder with as much air as it can hold (VE), thats it, there is no amount of modding that will escape that fact. So spare me the condescending "you couldnt do it or figure it out" speech cause you just make yourself look dumb.

The reason my car didnt make anymore power, was because it was maxed out. I had reached peak VE, i could not fill the cylinder with anymore air, unless i switched to bigger displacement, bigger intake, bigger plenum, change pistons. Something i wasnt willing to do on a 01 10k mile ITR motor.

If you knew ANYTHING about engines, you would understand that. So i hope you take that statement back

[1civic]

you realize you just dissed James and Charles from Mainstream, as they did all the work to my CRX. So congrats you just called out James and Charles. Good luck with that one.

Look i dont have all day to sit here and explain physics to you, but an engine is an air pump. When you fill the cylinder with as much air as it can hold (VE), thats it, there is no amount of modding that will escape that fact. So spare me the condescending "you couldnt do it or figure it out" speech cause you just make yourself look dumb.

The reason my car didnt make anymore power, was because it was maxed out. I had reached peak VE, i could not fill the cylinder with anymore air, unless i switched to bigger displacement, bigger intake, bigger plenum, change pistons. Something i wasnt willing to do on a 01 10k mile ITR motor.

If you knew ANYTHING about engines, you would understand that. So i hope you take that statement back

So a head which flows over 300cfm's will not hit 275+ HP? What limits you? Cylinder volume? If my block says B16 is it really? What the fuck do you really know besides what you read? Last motor you built would not even turn over, explain that one!! I bet your dumb ass can't even measure a cam, or better yet do you know the stock rocker size? Go google the shit cause again your dumb ass don't have a fucking clue!!

I never could understand your mind-set cause unless you build them or tune them how would you know?? O... Wait... It's because James, or Dave, or Don told you huh? GTFO!!!

[1civic]

10 minutes later and you're still looking for answers to my questions!!!!... LMAO!!


FAIL!!!

[Vteckidd]

So a head which flows over 300cfm's will not hit 275+ HP? What limits you? Cylinder volume? If my block says B16 is it really? What the fuck do you really know besides what you read? Last motor you built would not even turn over, explain that one!! I bet your dumb ass can't even measure a cam, or better yet do you know the stock rocker size? Go google the shit cause again your dumb ass don't have a fucking clue!!

I never could understand your mind-set cause unless you build them or tune them how would you know?? O... Wait... It's because James, or Dave, or Don told you huh? GTFO!!!

Again you believe whatever you want cause any if I say you won't believe anyway.

What motor are you talking about? Mikes? Lol that b16 SI? Surely you don't mean that motor. You know WHY it didn't turn over (actually it did). Ask Btec he was there. Mikeblew his motor up 1 day after turboing it and had no money. He begged me to help him out. So I told him if he helped I'd piston slap it so he could limp it until he had money. Jesse was there when I put the pistons in HE BOUGHT. He couldn't afford machine work or pulling the motor. I toldhim "50/50 chance it will work".

The pistons were so tight in the bore it was hard to turnover by hand, I asked him "dude this is really really tight, it's not supposed to be like this. You may get lucky and it wears in but I doubt it". He said "fuck it finish it I need my car"

So Jesse and I bolted the head back down, it ran for 20 minutes and seized like I thought it would.

So please, dont go believing some half ass story I did for a friend in my spare time.

Actually the last motor I built was 99si on here gsr and it ran great and made good numbers. He sold the car months later.

That was the lastmotor I built. Would you like me to name the other 10 I assembled? Or does it even matter at this point?

As for your 300cfm comment I don't know what youre saying as I was talking about a 1.8 liter motor, not a 275 motor. So if you're asking me that a motor can reach it's limits , the answer is yes, which is what makes NA so difficult. Yes a 300cfm head on a b16 will only do so much, the motor can only displace 1.6l and you will reach that limit.

Uh yeah I learned from don who has built far more Motors thathave won races than anyone I know. James was a mechanic we never really talked theory or anything. I learned a lot from James about how much I hated working on cars

Charles taught me a lot too.

I also learned from my own cars that I modded . Yes I know it's impossible for you to believe that I do work on my own stuff, till I got money, then I decided I'd rather not mess with it.

I don't need to google, maybe you do

[Vteckidd]

And Bobby with all your infinite mechanical knowledge that is so much better than mine, where is YOUR numbers at? I mean I still have yet to see this "224 whp" car you pmed ke about or a dyno chart.

Where did you dyno it at?

Back it up son. Still waiting

[1civic]

And Bobby with all your infinite mechanical knowledge that is so much better than mine, where is YOUR numbers at? I mean I still have yet to see this "224 whp" car you pmed ke about or a dyno chart.

Where did you dyno it at?

Back it up son. Still waiting

Come sunday!!

[Vteckidd]

Cause you guys all sit on the sidelines silently pming me telling me I'm right, but don't want to start anything.

Difference is I don't care anymore and the only reason they have beef with me is because 1) I tell the truth 2) they knowi don't have a car to race anymore. They missed my heyday

They don't pull the "you didn't build it" crap with matt or anyone else because they know they would get their ass called out

[h22 jones]

I disagree




Do it then. Im sorry im going to disagree with you, ill bet you $100 jasons doesnt make anywhere near 280whp. Thats not saying im rooting against you, im just saying going from 250 to 280 isnt a matter of 2mm extra stroke and a ported head.

If we are going to start doing this kind of bench racing ricer numbers then im gonna say i would have made 260 with Jenvey ITBs instead of my $100 AEBS manifold, and 280 with a RLZ head and race gas instead of a $500 street port and 93 octane.

You guys are rediculous lol




The only problem i have with that is its guessing. My car made 199whp with a 2.25in dual resonator exhaust. I had mainstream install a 2.5in straight through exhaust with a new muffler and you know how much power i picked up............ZERO. I made 237whp with a 3in exhaust, i dropped it and went open header, you know how much power i gained.....ZERO.

I made 199whp with STOCK ITR cams, STOCK ITR intake and TB, i switched to a Skunk2 manifold, 70mm TB and skunk2 stage 2 cams, i picked up 4whp.

I can sit here an name you 100000 instances where "upgrading" doesnt make any power. SO to use a blanket statement like "well a stock h22 makes XX and a H2b makes XX therefore mine should make XX" is a stretch.

Jasons motor should make a lot, but im much more of a pessimist than you guys are. He thinks if you make 250 with Tuner 2s hes going to automatically make way more with PRO2s, thats not always the case, and when he goes through enough motors he will understand that.

Apply that to a non built motor. if you believe as you guys are typing then youre telling me PRO3s will make more power in a stock B16 than ITR cams, when i know that is NOT TRUE.





Not planning on it, that crowd doesnt interest me. I dont want to stand around in 98 degree heat and watch hondas dyno. If matt and chunky go i might swing by for a minute. But i plan on being at a pool with beer all weekend, so we will see.

This isnt bench racing and has nothing to do with the head or the stroke . Id hope to pick of some from that but mostly tourqe. I agree it is exttremely hard to get 10hp in the na world of motor parts but as far as the h2b goes hp is hp. if you can make 25 more hp by bolting a b series tranny to a stock h motor you can do it on a 250hp motor period . It has nothing to do motor bolt ons . A balance shaft removal kit makes 8-10 dyno hp i dont care if its on a 150hp motor or a 250hp motor. Its loss of motion assembly . In ten years ive never seen a stock bolt on h22 make over 185hp . Now all h2b with b16 trannys are making over 205 stock explain that then explain why it wouldnt make a differnec on a 250hp motor. i got few tricks up my sleeve on my new build but im not even bench racing that setup or talking about doing anything special just going to h2b .

Im willing to bet just going h2b will put my dads motor over 270 and thats not even the normal 25hp gain that they see . Ok now now put m,y 4.9 diff in there and see what happens . I got a game for you . You said you think mainstreams dyno reads high because your itr made realy high numbers. . What final drive was in the tranny ?

All motor is a bitch i agree but what a tranny adds is what a tranny adds has nothing to do with building the motor some more .