THE FORD vs HONDA CONTINUANCE....

[boosted347]

My back yard looks like this...

B13 SeR + n2o
RHD Eg6
2 EF hatches
Datsun 510
81 Mazda GLC
Olds Bravada + n2o
77 Civic Hatch
90 Mustang GT

and a few others - so I like it all. I agree - but I think that goes against the principles that the company was founded under... I'd love to see a real effort from them in the sports car market though.

you need to do some thinning out of some cars lol

[Catnip]

haha i agree i would love to see them come in and compete with the mustang gt, the new 5.0, the 4.6 other than the dohc is horrible...but a 3.4L v8 is totally unpractical for street use cause you would have to rev so high to get the power and it is for sure 13:1 compression at least so no pump gas there...but with some massive changes they could bring a v8 to the scene

E85 my friend, lol

*crosses fingers*

[boosted347]

but they dont sell it at all pumps so still not very streetable...but i wouldnt hold my breath on it comin to a street near you lol

[j0nbunklah0m]

^ look at this honda fan boy right here lol

each company has their own plus side and negative side...reliability up until now def goes hands down to honda, performance has always has been and always will be a staple in american car production...wanna look at more facts wuts your wonderful honda v8 run around the ring??? Yea thats right slower than the production zr1 it is the fastest production car around the ring, well damn so much for american only goin in a straight line argument that was sure to come up but like it was said earlier in this thread apples to oranges...each have their own reasons as to why people buy them, say you wanna go buy a new car and you are thinkin "hmmm i want a quick performance car thats fun to drive" you dont go buy a honda its simple enough, and up until now when you thought of fuel economy and longevity you always went with honda...its a dumb argument and especially by the fan boys on this website...baby j you started this thread with incorrect information and biased views, david you recieve reps for your facts and h22 you also for bein unbiased, the majority of the people on this site are in love with hondas...hence "import atlanta", go over to muscle car evolution or some other site that is domestic based and it would be totally opposite. But this thread is useless and has run its course, this argument will always come down to personal opinion and preferences. The two shouldnt be compared

^look at this cock sucker right here lol.

[David88vert]

Consider reliability and resale value at 100,000 miles... then 150,000 - then EEEEE --- 200,000 miles (LOL @ Ford). I'd have to give Honda the nod. I don't have numbers on hand to compare repairs over 100,000 miles between both (nor do I care to). But as a Ford owner AS WELL as a Honda owner I think my own personal data is all I need. LOL. Grab the AJC... look for local used car values of each... a 100,000 mile Honda vs. ANY Ford car with 100,000 miles. Ouch!

Funny how most of the Ford talk is "what they are doing now" and "man they are bouncing back" - LOL. Bouncing back from WHAT - that "what" is the thing that they have been doing for a LONG time while Honda has been doing it's thing consistently for a long time. Take fleet sales out (Crown Vics, police car duties, taxi-cabs) and look at just consumer sales I'd betcha that the numbers are less skewed than we'd like to admit.

This has been fun. I started this thread to show that you CAN'T compare 2 companies w/ different mission-statement and methodologies fairly. Honda PRIDES itself onbeing fuel efficient and RELIABLE vehicles... they don't want to build "race" cars for the street. I also think that to toss the Shelby data in is bullshit. Shelby is not Ford, although he modifies them. Why not throw Hennessey in as well? :poke:

http://www.insideline.com/honda/acco...gination_top_3

I only need to say 3 things concerning this post:
1) You are grasping now by jumping to resale value - that is completely unrelated to earlier facts that I stated. You personally like Honda, so you should buy it. In my opinion, they look better than most of Fords offerings, and they do what I need. So I have a Honda Accord as well.
2) You started this thread stating your opinion as though it was a fact - see #1. And since you stated it as a continuance, that opened up the opportunity to clarify statements with facts.
3) The Shelby Cobra can be purchased as a production car at the Ford dealership with a warranty. A Mugen-package Civic that can be purchased from the dealership with a warranty woulde be the same. Buying a car, and taking to another shop, would technically not be covered under the original warranty, and I will not include that type in comparisons. Look at Ford's site, the Shelby is listed as an offering from the Ford manufacterer, Hennesy and Roush are not.

Honda has prided itself of low emission output and efficiency. Their key concepts are safety, environmental leadership, and innovation - just read their corporate site.

[David88vert]

That's bc only Bubba and Buddy would think that they are trying to compete w/ them. LOL... which is my point. It's easy to win a race when the person you're racing ISN'T. These 2 companies have NOTHING similar in terms of their methodologies. But some people will continue to compare bicycles to watermelons. *shrugs*

I didn't say that Ford was trying to compete with Honda.
The fact is, Honda's ENGINE performance is being outperformed by Ford's engine performance, at lower costs. MPG, HP, TQ - all go to Ford on similar offers - as I showed in the last thread.
So, do you think that comparing the Fit and the Fiesta is unfair? Please explain.

[David88vert]

This actually led me to some kool "trivia" that I'd otherwise never know. Seems Honda had their sites much higher than Ford when they envisioned the NSX - it was targeted at Ferrari, and then McLaren used the NSX as a target for the McLaren F1. HAHA. Not bad for some old bolts thrown together by 4 feet tall rice eating dorks in the late 80s and brought to life in 1991.

exerpt from the NSX wiki:

Honda's breakthrough engineering in the NSX was a major contributor to the design of the McLaren F1 as mentioned in an interview with McLaren F1 designer Gordon Murray (translated from original Japanese into English).[18] "The moment I drove the NSX, all the benchmark cars—Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini—I had been using as references in the development of my car vanished from my mind. Of course the car we would create, the McLaren F1, needed to be faster than the NSX, but the NSX's ride quality and handling would become our new design target." The NSX was marketed as the first "Everyday Supercar" thanks in part to its ease of use, quality and reliability. Murray himself remained an NSX owner for 7 years.


On a side-note. I think that Honda does not handle defeat too well. I looked at the "new" car... the HSV-010 is HARDLY comparable to the NSX. It's front-engine and RWD... I wonder what Honda will do with this data from the track and what they have up their sleeves in years to come. We never know... check out this guy : http://world.honda.com/HSV-010_GT/

Yes, they set their sights high, and produced an excellent car (the NSX), but they did not understand the concept of marketing a high end car. No one wants to say they need to move their Honda, instead of their Ferrari. People's ego are a factor in what they purchase.

I hope Honda does produce a high end sports car again. They have good engineers, they just need to target their market better on the performance side. Right now, they can produce a car that gets worse gas mileage and has less performance than the comparable Ford model, for just a couple of reasons:
1) The perception of many is that Ford offerings are unreliable. Obviously, car people know that Ford ahs improved quality over the years, and that Honda's quality is not what it once was - but the general public doesn't follow cars as closely.
2) Honda produces a better looking car, in most comparable offerings. To me, the Honda's have a more appealing look in comparisons, and so, even with less performance, they are likely to stay the first choice. If the car can do what you need, then function can take second place to form.

[David88vert]

we are gonna need some details on said 510

the only detail you need to know is that Baby J needs to sell me that 510 for $1, so I can put a 13B-REW in it..... :-p

[David88vert]

lol at Honda being Tough.......They just have long lasting engines but tough i don't think so.

Tough enough to win the Baja:
http://automobiles.honda.com/ridgeline/baja-racing.aspx
Honda wouldn't have spent all that money to go racing, if they didn't think that it would help sales.

Seems to me that they want to market the Ridgeline as a tough truck, and that puts it in direct contention with the F-150.

[SPOOLIN]

I just want a T-Rex lol

[BABY J]

Dave you're stuck on the performance bit so there is no argument that we can agree on - LOL. No1 buys an Accord b/c they want to go to Moreland and rape boosted SHOs. The Datto actually is for sale as long as you don't live in Ga - I have a problem with seeing cars again after I sell them. The RHD hatch is for sale, as well as the B13. I'm trying to grow up this year - but I have to do it ittle by little - LOL. 16 years of hoarding cars doesn't go away overnight - LOL.

[boosted347]

^look at this cock sucker right here lol.

dont get butt hurt because someone called you what you are, and nice use of words, it shows your astounding intelligence i called you honda fan boy and you retort with cock sucker lol you my friend are am immature little fuck

[David88vert]

Dave you're stuck on the performance bit so there is no argument that we can agree on - LOL.

So what are you wanting to compare on them? Resale value or what they did 10-20 years ago? Is that part of the engine design or output? The fact is, you said they are an engine manufacturer - when in reality, they make the engine AND the rest of the car. You generally compare engines with horsepower and torque output specifications, plus possibly the mpg.

I have clearly shown that on competitive offerings, Ford offers more value and performance per dollar, and that Honda does not offer anything to compete with Fords higher output vehicles.
I have shown facts to correct statements that were based on opinions, not on reality.
I have revealed errors in postings that were blatently wrong.
Only someone living in complete denial would still sit there and type that Honda is outperforming Ford in the engine department.

I'll clearly state this though. Even though Ford offers more bang-for-the-buck, I'll probably replace the Accord next year with another Accord. The Taurus doesn't look as good, and my wife loves Honda. The Accord will do everything that I need it to - and that is why you should buy the Honda - just because you are happy with it.

[Moseley]

Hmmmm Honda vs. Ford?

Here's the list of Hondas my immediate family has owned:

84 accord 4 door
84 civic 1500S
85 CRX HF
86 legend 4 door
88 integra RS
89 integra RS
90 civic DX hatch
93 civic SI
93 civic CX
93 integra GS
94 integra GSR 4 door
95 civic EX coupe (two of them)
95 civic DX coupe
95 del sol VTEC
95 integra SE 4 door
97 civic EX coupe
98 Integra GSR
98 CRV
00 civic EX coupe
03 Accord EX
04 Accord V6
06 civic SI
10 Fit (x2)

The '03 accord had seat quality issues... every other car was flawless and never required more than normal maintenance. we grew up around road racing and we drive our cars hard. So at this point I basically feel like anyone who buys a car for practicality and doesn't by a Honda is ignorant

[-EnVus-]

Hmmmm Honda vs. Ford?

Here's the list of Hondas my immediate family has owned:

84 accord 4 door
84 civic 1500S
85 CRX HF
86 legend 4 door
88 integra RS
89 integra RS
90 civic DX hatch
93 civic SI
93 civic CX
93 integra GS
94 integra GSR 4 door
95 civic EX coupe (two of them)
95 civic DX coupe
95 del sol VTEC
95 integra SE 4 door
97 civic EX coupe
98 Integra GSR
98 CRV
00 civic EX coupe
03 Accord EX
04 Accord V6
06 civic SI
10 Fit (x2)

The '03 accord had seat quality issues... every other car was flawless and never required more than normal maintenance. we grew up around road racing and we drive our cars hard. So at this point I basically feel like anyone who buys a car for practicality and doesn't by a Honda is ignorant

Yet you drive a BMW lol

[David88vert]

Hmmmm Honda vs. Ford?

Here's the list of Hondas my immediate family has owned:

84 accord 4 door
84 civic 1500S
85 CRX HF
86 legend 4 door
88 integra RS
89 integra RS
90 civic DX hatch
93 civic SI
93 civic CX
93 integra GS
94 integra GSR 4 door
95 civic EX coupe (two of them)
95 civic DX coupe
95 del sol VTEC
95 integra SE 4 door
97 civic EX coupe
98 Integra GSR
98 CRV
00 civic EX coupe
03 Accord EX
04 Accord V6
06 civic SI
10 Fit (x2)

The '03 accord had seat quality issues... every other car was flawless and never required more than normal maintenance. we grew up around road racing and we drive our cars hard. So at this point I basically feel like anyone who buys a car for practicality and doesn't by a Honda is ignorant

So, you are really telling us that you haven't been able to experience owning other makes of cars then ....
At least you are trying something different now though.....

[Moseley]

So, you are really telling us that you haven't been able to experience owning other makes of cars then ....
At least you are trying something different now though.....

Nah we had other vehicles. Mostly GMs before an '83 626 and the '84 accord. Quite a few toyotas, a few mazdas, and a few minis. And then there were these:

88 wrangler - wiper motor died, various electrical issues, wouldn't start frequently
92 explorer - transmission died
94 explorer - exhaust leak after being 1 year old, transmission died after 2.5 years.
97 tahoe - every few months it would not crank... something wrong with fuel relay or pump but the dealer could never figure it out. It also warped rotors every 10-20k miles.
06 tahoe - this one was good

So... 1 out of 25 hondas had a problem. 1 of 7 toyotas had problems. The non-rotary mazdas have been good. The 1 subaru was good. 3 out of 5 minis had problems (2 were lemons), and the bimmer has been good so far.

That has been my experience so you can imagine how negative I am towards domestic brands.

[Moseley]

For Honda fans and haters alike: http://world.honda.com/history/

of particular interest is the 1981 article.

So there have been several "modern processes" cropping up and buzzing around in the US for the past decade. Business practices, manufacturing processes, software engineering practices, etc... these all have their roots in what might be called "lean manufacturing" and it all started in japan in the late 70s. The 1981 article is proof of how far ahead of their time Honda was. They were worried about product changes discovered during testing, and how long of a production ramp up period they would have before being able to roll out a new model etc. Basically they understood what we're finally implementing all across the US now... that waste in the process spawns additional waste and so on. So in 1981 their assembly lines were not only highly automated (to be productive and improve reliability) but also highly interchangeable so that they could delay the production of components until the last possible moment, which opens up a world of opportunity in how they stock resources, schedule production runs, and ultimately respond to changes in the market. This shit was brilliant and 20+ years ahead of the US. That is one of the reasons why Honda completely dominated in the 90s. There are other gems on that site too. have fun reading...

[RemoteX-7]

---> Since the EFILIATED thread got closed I wanted to put my .02 in on the retarded argument that Honda is better than Ford or ViceVersa.

1) Honda is the shit. PERIOD. If you do not believe this then you are a dork.

2) Honda is an ENGINE MANUFACTURING COMPANY that also makes cars. That makes it pretty tough to compare them to almost any other AUTO MANUFACTURER directly. Furthermore, more RACING technology trickles down to commuter cars in the Honda camp than pretty much ANY other manufacturer - w/ BMW and GM probably a close 2nd, prob followed by Toyota and then Ford.

And for a little history... VTEC is the result of FAILED cvcc technology attempts from Ford. Ford got it started and could not make it work - pitched it to Honda and rejoiced b/c they thought that they just sold some JUNK to the dummies overseas until Honda beat EVERY manufacturer to market for the Clean Air Act regulations. Honda trashed the technology, kept the name (CVCC) and the rest is history. Since then, Honda has prided itself on emissions-friendly engines not gas-guzzling 500hp ozone-killers.

But MAKE NO MISTAKE about it - if they wanted to produce a production v8 the rest of the world would take fucking note, and other companies would be retarded to not buy a couple for reverse-engineering. There's a little race called the Indy 500... you may have heard of it although it's kinda grassroots. The ENTIRE 33 car field for F1 for 2010 had engines manufactured and designed by who? Enough said. IF Honda wanted to build a 2010 SHO-smashing LSx-crushing beast they could do it quite easily (w/ a little rear-axle help from Ford... 9in maybe? LOL).

I said all of this to show you that 1) the argument was dumb (although David represented) and 2) get back to the racing talk b/c you guys are obv lacking on "your roots" LOL. Happy tuning.

And no I am not a "fanboy" of anything. If it has an engine, I'm into it...

Take care kids.

I'm a little late, but i couldn't sleep..... so trolling time


first off.... honda and ford suck ass so why argue?

second off..... Mazda trickles WAY more engineering down to its production cars from its race cars than ANY other manufacturer.

ZOOM ZOOM BITCHES!

that is all.

EDIT: why do i keep seeing you guys say honda doesn't have anything to compete with the mustang??? isn't that what the S2K is for?? shit, i've heard enough s2k drivers talk shit to assure myself they were competitors......... so wtf?!

[Boosted FC]

I'm a little late, but i couldn't sleep..... so trolling time


first off.... honda and ford suck ass so why argue?

second off..... Mazda trickles WAY more engineering down to its production cars from its race cars than ANY other manufacturer.

ZOOM ZOOM BITCHES!

that is all.

EDIT: why do i keep seeing you guys say honda doesn't have anything to compete with the mustang??? isn't that what the S2K is for?? shit, i've heard enough s2k drivers talk shit to assure myself they were competitors......... so wtf?!

I would have to disagree with that statement, and say that Honda actually does that. What Mazda car out there right now has engineering in it from their race cars, the RX8? Do not mistake the saying that more Mazdas are raced every weekend, with Mazda dumping engineering from their racecars into production cars.

[RemoteX-7]

I would have to disagree with that statement, and say that Honda actually does that. What Mazda car out there right now has engineering in it from their race cars, the RX8? Do not mistake the saying that more Mazdas are raced every weekend, with Mazda dumping engineering from their racecars into production cars.

are you kidding? the mazda 3 and mazda 6, and the speed versions of both those cars are easily better performance wise than any of there competitors, and when you drive one you can feel the racing engineering in it from turn to turn. and the rx-8 is okay... good hp for a shitty built rotary.... if they had put more time into building the Renaissance motor; I'd love it. but since they didnt. I'll keep my FB and drive in peace.

[-EnVus-]

I'm a little late, but i couldn't sleep..... so trolling time


first off.... honda and ford suck ass so why argue?

second off..... Mazda trickles WAY more engineering down to its production cars from its race cars than ANY other manufacturer.

ZOOM ZOOM BITCHES!

that is all.

EDIT: why do i keep seeing you guys say honda doesn't have anything to compete with the mustang??? isn't that what the S2K is for?? shit, i've heard enough s2k drivers talk shit to assure myself they were competitors......... so wtf?!

lol at you saying Ford and Honda suck

[Moseley]

are you kidding? the mazda 3 and mazda 6, and the speed versions of both those cars are easily better performance wise than any of there competitors, and when you drive one you can feel the racing engineering in it from turn to turn. and the rx-8 is okay... good hp for a shitty built rotary.... if they had put more time into building the Renaissance motor; I'd love it. but since they didnt. I'll keep my FB and drive in peace.

Wow a Mazda RX fan boy that talks about the shitty Renaissance motor. lol its renesis dude.

I have to agree that the mazda 3 and 6 will both outrun all of their direct competitors on a track... and there's a good chance that I'd buy a new Mazda for myself before I'd buy a new Honda. But please don't try to say that Mazda has more race inspired engineering in their cars than anyone else... I never saw a Mazda in F1, and most of their US racing experience does not go all the way back to Japan. It stays here in the form of mazdaspeed aftermarket parts.

[RemoteX-7]

Wow a Mazda RX fan boy that talks about the shitty Renaissance motor. lol its renesis dude.

I have to agree that the mazda 3 and 6 will both outrun all of their direct competitors on a track... and there's a good chance that I'd buy a new Mazda for myself before I'd buy a new Honda. But please don't try to say that Mazda has more race inspired engineering in their cars than anyone else... I never saw a Mazda in F1, and most of their US racing experience does not go all the way back to Japan. It stays here in the form of mazdaspeed aftermarket parts.

w.e that was my auto correct at work...

and Im not a fan boy. I drive a 1985 rx-7 FB. ive owned a Porsche and a Celica before that and a pos dodge, and a pos nissan... with the exception of the Porsche, Mazda has been the winner of anything ive owned. and the reason i got it was because of the unique similarity's, and greatness to its competition to the Porsche I owned.

and really? I'm pretty sure mazda holds down D1 with the Fd's and the Lemans, and American Lemans seriers with the other cars they run, pretty well. like, back in 1992 Lemans BANNED mazda from running rotor engine, because they were beating everyone on the course with out trying, and were more reliable than there piston competitors. i mean SKIP BARBER even uses mazdas to teach driving schools and racing schools.... why dont they use honda for that if honda is so great?

I'm so fucking tired of you honda guys acting like your little turbo 4 banger is the quickest, most well made shit ever to hit the road.... yeah it might be quick going the 1/8 mile from light to light on the street next to miss bundy's sienna. but in reality, thats all its good for.

My Porsche 924s was a stock NA 4 banger pushing 160hp. I took on a kid in a mustang fox body with 410hp, and ate him till i ran out of power in the top of 4th gear @ 138mph with 5th gear giving me no power, and he walked on me.

needless to say i didnt want to race him from the beginning, but when he caught me on the road alone, i had no choice. and he still respects me for being able to handle that ride.

NOW, that being said, if someone was to tell me that Porsche didnt put race engineering in there street cars id laugh at them. cuz theres no way a 160hp 4 banger should even keep up with 410hp v8.

its the same with mazda, for you to say youd buy a mazda over its competitors, and that they out perform there competitors car for car on the street, BUT mazda doesnt use its race engineering to do so...... WTF?! where do they get the ideas from, elmo, big bird, bert and ernie?!

as for never seeing an F1 mazda...... http://www.japanesesportcars.com/galleries/img2998.htm
mazda doesnt run F1 but they have there own class in SCCA thats close to Formula 3... so, even though its not quite the big guns, its not like they havent done it before.

[-EnVus-]

w.e that was my auto correct at work...

and Im not a fan boy. I drive a 1985 rx-7 FB. ive owned a Porsche and a Celica before that and a pos dodge, and a pos nissan... with the exception of the Porsche, Mazda has been the winner of anything ive owned. and the reason i got it was because of the unique similarity's, and greatness to its competition to the Porsche I owned.

and really? I'm pretty sure mazda holds down D1 with the Fd's and the Lemans, and American Lemans seriers with the other cars they run, pretty well. like, back in 1992 Lemans BANNED mazda from running rotor engine, because they were beating everyone on the course with out trying, and were more reliable than there piston competitors. i mean SKIP BARBER even uses mazdas to teach driving schools and racing schools.... why dont they use honda for that if honda is so great?

I'm so fucking tired of you honda guys acting like your little turbo 4 banger is the quickest, most well made shit ever to hit the road.... yeah it might be quick going the 1/8 mile from light to light on the street next to miss bundy's sienna. but in reality, thats all its good for.

My Porsche 924s was a stock NA 4 banger pushing 160hp. I took on a kid in a mustang fox body with 410hp, and ate him till i ran out of power in the top of 4th gear @ 138mph with 5th gear giving me no power, and he walked on me.

needless to say i didnt want to race him from the beginning, but when he caught me on the road alone, i had no choice. and he still respects me for being able to handle that ride.

NOW, that being said, if someone was to tell me that Porsche didnt put race engineering in there street cars id laugh at them. cuz theres no way a 160hp 4 banger should even keep up with 410hp v8.

its the same with mazda, for you to say youd buy a mazda over its competitors, and that they out perform there competitors car for car on the street, BUT mazda doesnt use its race engineering to do so...... WTF?! where do they get the ideas from, elmo, big bird, bert and ernie?!

as for never seeing an F1 mazda...... http://www.japanesesportcars.com/galleries/img2998.htm
mazda doesnt run F1 but they have there own class in SCCA thats close to Formula 3... so, even though its not quite the big guns, its not like they havent done it before.

You do know that up till 2008 Ford owned over 30% of Mazda and even played a role in most of its Design and modeling.
So Ford must not suck to bad if you love Mazda....

[thundercatz1]

I wish a all motor rotary would pull up beside me, I woud straight shit on it without wiping!!!!.....

03 MACH 1 AND 06 ACURA RSX-S FTW

[David88vert]

To clarify earlier posts on Mazda:
Mazdaspeed Motorsports (http://www.mazdamotorsports.com/) does get some feedback from their racers. I do not know if that feedback makes it to the factory engineers and designers.

Almost everyone on here knows that I have long been a fan of the rotary, and have been able to get excellent performance and reliability out of my motors. I will not however say that Mazda gets more feedback from its racing than other manufacturers. Mazda itself is not very active in racing as a factory entry anymore.

As for the Renesis, it is a good, solid motor, but NA rotarys need to be in a lightweight car since they are low on torque by design. The full weight RX8 is a little heavy until you strip it down to race trim for the NA motor.

[RemoteX-7]

You do know that up till 2008 Ford owned over 30% of Mazda and even played a role in most of its Design and modeling.
So Ford must not suck to bad if you love Mazda....

I drive a 1985 mazda... Ford didnt own them back then, and ford didnt have to much to do with mazda when they owned them... yes they did have pull but not much.

I wish a all motor rotary would pull up beside me, I woud straight shit on it without wiping!!!!.....

03 MACH 1 AND 06 ACURA RSX-S FTW

............................You do realize that there are 6sec 1/4mi. rx7's riding around right?
I know plenty of all motor rx7s that would eat anything you got.. mustang or acura.

come january mine will easily eat your cars... im waiting to do some porting.

[japan4racing]

OMG...This is quickly turning into a "my dick is bigger than yours" type situation!

[BABY J]

I love bumping into the 6 second Mazdas just "riding around". :poke:

[RemoteX-7]

yeah, I feel the same way with 900+hp mustangs and vettes. that all theses muscle guys seem to think exist on every corner.

[Moseley]

w.e that was my auto correct at work...

and Im not a fan boy. I drive a 1985 rx-7 FB. ive owned a Porsche and a Celica before that and a pos dodge, and a pos nissan... with the exception of the Porsche, Mazda has been the winner of anything ive owned. and the reason i got it was because of the unique similarity's, and greatness to its competition to the Porsche I owned.

and really? I'm pretty sure mazda holds down D1 with the Fd's and the Lemans, and American Lemans seriers with the other cars they run, pretty well. like, back in 1992 Lemans BANNED mazda from running rotor engine, because they were beating everyone on the course with out trying, and were more reliable than there piston competitors. i mean SKIP BARBER even uses mazdas to teach driving schools and racing schools.... why dont they use honda for that if honda is so great?

Wow you should read up on some facts before posting again.

D1 is racing? hmm.

Mazda doesn't "hold down" Lemans or ALMS. The car they had at Lemans the year that they won was not the fastest on the track by any means. The cards fell in their favor. They have been running in ALMS for a few years with marginal results. Up until recently it was a "P2" car which was not competing with the real fast shit like the Audis. Acura and Porsche came into the series and pretty much creamed everyone anyway.

I'm so fucking tired of you honda guys acting like your little turbo 4 banger is the quickest, most well made shit ever to hit the road.... yeah it might be quick going the 1/8 mile from light to light on the street next to miss bundy's sienna. but in reality, thats all its good for.

Here's the civic I usually wrench on and it doesn't really need a turbo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6F-6_EoVWQ0 It has been a DD for nearly 4 years now and I'm willing to bet it would eat your RX-7 on any road coarse, auto cross track, or at the drag strip.

My Porsche 924s was a stock NA 4 banger pushing 160hp. I took on a kid in a mustang fox body with 410hp, and ate him till i ran out of power in the top of 4th gear @ 138mph with 5th gear giving me no power, and he walked on me.

needless to say i didnt want to race him from the beginning, but when he caught me on the road alone, i had no choice. and he still respects me for being able to handle that ride.

NOW, that being said, if someone was to tell me that Porsche didnt put race engineering in there street cars id laugh at them. cuz theres no way a 160hp 4 banger should even keep up with 410hp v8.

The 924s was nowhere near as fast as a stock 5.0, it was a low 16 second car. If you had a 944s2 I would say nice porsche... they were slightly quicker than the 5.0. You must be delusional to think that you could hang with a 410hp foxbody.

[Moseley]

Almost everyone on here knows that I have long been a fan of the rotary, and have been able to get excellent performance and reliability out of my motors. I will not however say that Mazda gets more feedback from its racing than other manufacturers. Mazda itself is not very active in racing as a factory entry anymore.

Exactly... people choose to race Mazdas, and they are typically out of production or not production based cars at all.

[DeeAOne]

the only series that i can think of right now that mazda even competes in is the U.S. touring car championship, and last time i checked i dont think they even did worth a damn. you think a BP miata with bolt-ons is going to keep up with an S52 e36 with the same amount of suspension work? i think not.

so RemoteX-7, youre an idiot.

as for the Honda VS. Ford. ive never owned a domestic car so i cant share my experience with one. i will say that my 88 integra was the most reliable car i have had so far though.

[David88vert]

I wish a all motor rotary would pull up beside me, I woud straight shit on it without wiping!!!!.....

03 MACH 1 AND 06 ACURA RSX-S FTW

You wouldn't have a chance against a ported rotary. You would beat a full weight, stock port one though.
Do not line up against any Puerto Rican though, he will drag you with a blown motor even..... and I don't mean boosted....

[David88vert]

I drive a 1985 mazda... Ford didnt own them back then, and ford didnt have to much to do with mazda when they owned them... yes they did have pull but not much.
............................You do realize that there are 6sec 1/4mi. rx7's riding around right?
I know plenty of all motor rx7s that would eat anything you got.. mustang or acura.
come january mine will easily eat your cars... im waiting to do some porting.

Please, come back to reality.
I have owned multiple 85's (and other FBs). Based on your posts, you either have a stock port 12A or stock port 13B. At best, you are putting down no more than 150 rwhp. Your car weighs about 2500 lbs at least.
In stock form, the 12A ran about a 16 sec 1/4. 13B is only slightly better.

A 410 rwhp Mustang will run 12s on crappy street tires and stock gearing. If the driver can't drive well, he'll still run high 13s. I call BS on you dragging him.

I want to see these 6 sec 1/4 RX7s riding around. You won't see them, as they are not street legal. I know a lot of the rotary builders around here, and none of them are running anywhere near that speed. In fact, the quick street legal ones are only in the high 8s. http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=825042
The fastest non-street legal should be 6.74 @ 209mph - I haven't followed the results in a while, but I know they are not to 6.2 yet.

As for your porting, exactly which motor and what port are you planning?

[David88vert]

yeah, I feel the same way with 900+hp mustangs and vettes. that all theses muscle guys seem to think exist on every corner.

I know of a lot more 900+ hp Mustangs and Corvettes in GA on the street, than there are total of 6 sec RX7s on the track - worldwide.

[thundercatz1]

............................You do realize that there are 6sec 1/4mi. rx7's riding around right?
I know plenty of all motor rx7s that would eat anything you got.. mustang or acura.

come january mine will easily eat your cars... im waiting to do some porting.[/QUOTE]

Highly unlikely

[Z0_o6]

I'm so fucking tired of you honda guys acting like your little turbo 4 banger is the quickest, most well made shit ever to hit the road.... yeah it might be quick going the 1/8 mile from light to light on the street next to miss bundy's sienna. but in reality, thats all its good for.

I just wanted to quote this YET AGAIN. Let me know if you want to try out my turbo honda, cupcake.

[RemoteX-7]

D1 is racing? hmm.

The 924s was nowhere near as fast as a stock 5.0, it was a low 16 second car. If you had a 944s2 I would say nice porsche... they were slightly quicker than the 5.0. You must be delusional to think that you could hang with a 410hp foxbody.

technically D1 is racing... its just a different type of race, judged on different standards... ANNNND, FYI the 924, and the 944 had the same exact engine... the 944 engine was just turned a bit better. and I know I ran him, and everyone that was there knows it, and that kid still has mad respect for me. I mean you dont have to believe, I have a habit of taking cars to their limits.

Please, come back to reality.
I have owned multiple 85's (and other FBs). Based on your posts, you either have a stock port 12A or stock port 13B. At best, you are putting down no more than 150 rwhp. Your car weighs about 2500 lbs at least.
In stock form, the 12A ran about a 16 sec 1/4. 13B is only slightly better.

A 410 rwhp Mustang will run 12s on crappy street tires and stock gearing. If the driver can't drive well, he'll still run high 13s. I call BS on you dragging him.

I want to see these 6 sec 1/4 RX7s riding around. You won't see them, as they are not street legal. I know a lot of the rotary builders around here, and none of them are running anywhere near that speed. In fact, the quick street legal ones are only in the high 8s. http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?t=825042
The fastest non-street legal should be 6.74 @ 209mph - I haven't followed the results in a while, but I know they are not to 6.2 yet.

As for your porting, exactly which motor and what port are you planning?

Yeah, right now i'm running a stock port 12a with a weber 45 carb. but my cars semi stripped so im at about 1900-2100lbs currently.

and I havent decided on the Port. I gotta find the cash first I lost my job and am quickly running out of money; but it'll either be a big street port, or a bridge port. and maybe a turbo after that, but i doubt ill need the turbo.

But, I also wanna do a FD/FB project. Drop a single turbo FD engine in a FB body and run a Holly Carb...... OMG.. I wanna do that project so bad.