Straight line races only rule

[Lankhoss]

Thacker isn't the authority on Porsche, I never made that claim.

You know as well as I do that car forums are FILLED with people trashing certain car companies...everyone has their opinion, that's why we all drive DIFFERENT cars.

I was just saying that......in the link that was posted, Thacker wasn't talking about racing at all, just ragging on his CAR.

[Incontt]

ok.....itscock.net....yeehaw

[DirtyMechanic]

really like really really

[_Christian_]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqDl1s99QOU

[DirtyMechanic]

i see your audi and raise you a Suzuki

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VafUi...eature=related

[On_Her_Face]

i contributed when it counted, and when people actually ran. instead of discussing shit for 3 weeks..and never racing. Its not rocket science, most of the races arent for money... just go and run and have fun and go home. This forums complicates shit..and makes it LAME!

and do you even race?

Why yes, yes I do thank you. I have never seen you contribute to this forum since I have been here.

[On_Her_Face]

I actually spent some time and skimmed over that thread. Not once did Thacker call road racing gay, he said your Porsche was fail because it was expensive and it was slow in a straight line. So funny that you are amazingly butthurt over that.

I like Porsche, they are some of the best performance cars in the world, and they always have been....but in the past 5 years or so they've lost their edge in performance over other cars, although not lost the pricetag.

Thacker was dogging you for buying a Porsche because they are pretty damn expensive, yet a C5 Corvette is extremely cheap yet very good on a road course. I am guessing that a C5 Corvette could be fairly close around a road course to an early to mid 2000's Cayman. I really don't know, I may be wrong. I just did a quick search for a 2009 Cayman S, and it looks like they're around 60k, and right around 3000lbs. A Z51 Corvette can be had for about 50k, hardly weighs anymore, and has over 100 more hp....I'm willing to bet it's just as fast, or faster around a track than a Cayman. So, I'm assuming that THAT is why Thacker claims Porsche is crap....because it's more expensive, and you don't get what you pay for in performance. However, THAT IS JUST AN OPINION ABOUT THE CAR. It has NOTHING to do with road racing vs. drag racing, and not once did Thacker claim road racing was "gay" or anything like that....he just gave you shit for driving a Porsche.

Also, you keep making these long drawn out posts about why you believe road racing is so much better than other forms of racing, and nobody gives a shit....nobody is even arguing that. Why do you just keep repeating yourself?

Oh yeah, you're fucking retarded.

The 2010 Camaro went faster around Nurburgring than a Caymen S

Actually that is false, I just double checked. Guess the first time I saw the times it was from a unreliable sorce.

Camaro 8:20
Caymen S 8:11

[The Creeper]

Because I DD my 911! I put close to 20k miles a year on it! Don't worry, I will have a 911 turbo

I said a Z06, referring to the c5.. Who said anything about c6z? I ignored your post because you are retarded..

Well when you are arguing with someone with a C6Z, and talk about how you could easily own a z06, one might think you meant the c6z.

So because you daily drive a 911, that of course = easily afford a z06.

That explains it all.

What makes me retarded with my question?

[OnURleft]

I actually spent some time and skimmed over that thread. Not once did Thacker call road racing gay, he said your Porsche was fail because it was expensive and it was slow in a straight line. So funny that you are amazingly butthurt over that.

I like Porsche, they are some of the best performance cars in the world, and they always have been....but in the past 5 years or so they've lost their edge in performance over other cars, although not lost the pricetag.

Thacker was dogging you for buying a Porsche because they are pretty damn expensive, yet a C5 Corvette is extremely cheap yet very good on a road course. I am guessing that a C5 Corvette could be fairly close around a road course to an early to mid 2000's Cayman. I really don't know, I may be wrong. I just did a quick search for a 2009 Cayman S, and it looks like they're around 60k, and right around 3000lbs. A Z51 Corvette can be had for about 50k, hardly weighs anymore, and has over 100 more hp....I'm willing to bet it's just as fast, or faster around a track than a Cayman. So, I'm assuming that THAT is why Thacker claims Porsche is crap....because it's more expensive, and you don't get what you pay for in performance. However, THAT IS JUST AN OPINION ABOUT THE CAR. It has NOTHING to do with road racing vs. drag racing, and not once did Thacker claim road racing was "gay" or anything like that....he just gave you shit for driving a Porsche.

Also, you keep making these long drawn out posts about why you believe road racing is so much better than other forms of racing, and nobody gives a shit....nobody is even arguing that. Why do you just keep repeating yourself?

Oh yeah, you're fucking retarded.

Let me start by saying I am not being biased and I am trying to make a clear point with these examples based on my own experience....

The C5 vette is probably the best bang for the buck track car, excluding a Miata or an E36/E30, the problem is you will have a hard time learning how to drive in them, same with a 911 but for completely different reasons. I have a car with <300whp and I have done in between 4000-5000 flat out track miles and I have NEVER been passed by a student in any Vette with any mod while driving at speed, this includes modified C6Z's. I actually sent a C5Z into the wall on turn 12 at Road A when he tried to stay with me after not letting me come around for 3 lapa..Het tried to match my turn in speed and went sideways and straight into the wall(mind you my car has 235's, not 345 Hoosiers) and you'd of been suprised no one was hurt, it was terrible. My point is the general consenscious is they typically have lots of mods and they get tossed by cars with 1/3rd as much. The first thing I heard from his friend was "yeah I was trying to stay with that supercharged M3." My car is 251whp N/A
Now the reason....
My point is, for a performance car a Vette is nice and an incredible value but i'd say 9/10 Vette drivers driving with people with the same experience as them with less than 15 track weekends go out there with 345 Hoosiers, bolt on's and what not and get their shit tossed by little 160hp Miata's, shit ugly old BMW's, Caymans with 295hp and cars of that sort. The reason being, the chassis just does not communicate like other sports cars, such as a 911. Some will learn how to adapt to it and other drivers will always be slow for what they have...Keep in mind i'm speaking in terms of a relatively inexperienced track driver, not someone like an instructor/pro who has pent extensive time in the car learning their "different" behavior.. Anyhow in somewhat straightforward terms that Vette owners won't like, you are apart of a 911, M3, NSX, properly built Miata, but a Vette is still a brute and not exactly the best car for a driver/car relationship on a track, especially for a newb. They are a challenging car to start off in, which is why if and when you go to track day you will see Vette's getting torn up by little cars with not near the tire or power, but you'll also see experienced drivers (instructors and club racers) tearing it up as they are drivers who can adapt to their shortcomings, or what they lack that inexperienced racers have a hard time with (chassis communication)....


Now to be biased...this is my perspective
A ZR1 has 638hp, monster tires, monster brakes (good lord are they huge), and ran 7:22.6 on a track with 170+ turns with the best Corvette driver in the world, 7:26 with a professional driver
A 998 GT3 has the same weight, 415hp, 285's (IIRC), and much smaller brakes. It was driven sub 7:40 with the Porsche test driver claiming there was "room left", not the best Carrera driver in the world and in an N/A car. Mind you this was a 6 speed, not a PDK, which Porsche said would cut 4-10 seconds.
In my opinion the Corvette is still offering what it always has, brute force, a great price and more but while doing LESS, but the price makes up for it in some respects and they are great cars...

The 2010 Camaro went faster around Nurburgring than a Caymen S Br

Actually that is false, I just double checked. Guess the first time I saw the times it was from a unreliable source.

Camaro 8:20
Caymen S 8:11

This is what I love, stereotypical GM owners talking about how fast they can go. LOL Billy i'm not trying to rag you I have just been hearing this talking since I was 15. My Vette, your Carrera or whatever...

Stop looking at it from a cockswinging perspective that you read from a magazine and just look at what's obvious, a Camaro has Brembo's, 285's (IIRC) all the way around, 436HP, LSD and still runs 9 seconds slower then a car with less than 300hp and an open diff, and less hp per lb

Two words, chassis development. You are getting what you pay for, less that does more..errr at a cost though.

[redrumracer]

racing is racing, no matter if it involves turns or going straight seeing how fast you can shift gears.

[On_Her_Face]

Let me start by saying I am not being biased and I am trying to make a clear point with these examples based on my own experience....

The C5 vette is probably the best bang for the buck track car, excluding a Miata or an E36/E30, the problem is you will have a hard time learning how to drive in them, same with a 911 but for completely different reasons. I have a car with <300whp and I have done in between 4000-5000 flat out track miles and I have NEVER been passed by a student in any Vette with any mod while driving at speed, this includes modified C6Z's. I actually sent a C5Z into the wall on turn 12 at Road A when he tried to stay with me after not letting me come around for 3 lapa..Het tried to match my turn in speed and went sideways and straight into the wall(mind you my car has 235's, not 345 Hoosiers) and you'd of been suprised no one was hurt, it was terrible. My point is the general consenscious is they typically have lots of mods and they get tossed by cars with 1/3rd as much. The first thing I heard from his friend was "yeah I was trying to stay with that supercharged M3." My car is 251whp N/A
Now the reason....
My point is, for a performance car a Vette is nice and an incredible value but i'd say 9/10 Vette drivers driving with people with the same experience as them with less than 15 track weekends go out there with 345 Hoosiers, bolt on's and what not and get their shit tossed by little 160hp Miata's, shit ugly old BMW's, Caymans with 295hp and cars of that sort. The reason being, the chassis just does not communicate like other sports cars, such as a 911. Some will learn how to adapt to it and other drivers will always be slow for what they have...Keep in mind i'm speaking in terms of a relatively inexperienced track driver, not someone like an instructor/pro who has pent extensive time in the car learning their "different" behavior.. Anyhow in somewhat straightforward terms that Vette owners won't like, you are apart of a 911, M3, NSX, properly built Miata, but a Vette is still a brute and not exactly the best car for a driver/car relationship on a track, especially for a newb. They are a challenging car to start off in, which is why if and when you go to track day you will see Vette's getting torn up by little cars with not near the tire or power, but you'll also see experienced drivers (instructors and club racers) tearing it up as they are drivers who can adapt to their shortcomings, or what they lack that inexperienced racers have a hard time with (chassis communication)....


Now to be biased...this is my perspective
A ZR1 has 638hp, monster tires, monster brakes (good lord are they huge), and ran 7:22.6 on a track with 170+ turns with the best Corvette driver in the world, 7:26 with a professional driver
A 998 GT3 has the same weight, 415hp, 285's (IIRC), and much smaller brakes. It was driven sub 7:40 with the Porsche test driver claiming there was "room left", not the best Carrera driver in the world and in an N/A car. Mind you this was a 6 speed, not a PDK, which Porsche said would cut 4-10 seconds.
In my opinion the Corvette is still offering what it always has, brute force, a great price and more but while doing LESS, but the price makes up for it in some respects and they are great cars...



This is what I love, stereotypical GM owners talking about how fast they can go. LOL Billy i'm not trying to rag you I have just been hearing this talking since I was 15. My Vette, your Carrera or whatever...

Stop looking at it from a cockswinging perspective that you read from a magazine and just look at what's obvious, a Camaro has Brembo's, 285's (IIRC) all the way around, 436HP, LSD and still runs 9 seconds slower then a car with less than 300hp and an open diff, and less hp per lb

Two words, chassis development. You are getting what you pay for, less that does more..errr at a cost though.

I understand all of this, however if I were comparing the Caymen S to a Corvette, the Corvette is faster around a track. I could careless about less hp per lb, per liter, or any comparison like this. Only thing that really matters in the end is what gets the job done better. That is all I am pointing out. Yes the Caymen is faster than a Camaro but at what price? Either way this whole thread is stupid nor do I care. lol.

[Lankhoss]

Good post, OnURLeft. I wasn't trying to make a GM vs. Porsche post. In fact, I don't share the same opinion of Porsche as Thacker does. If I were to road race, and money wasn't an option, I'd take a Porsche over a Vette. With money being a factor, I'd take a Vette over a Porsche.

I agree with you on the chassis comments, my Z scares the shit out of me because I have no idea when it's going to break loose. Best thing I ever did was take it around a road course a couple times, and I got way more comfortable in it. I know I am still nowhere near the limits with it, but I'm not quite as scared in corners as I used to be.

Bottom line is, Corvettes have been considered the best bang-for-buck sports cars in the world for several years, and there's a reason for that. GM usually puts out great "performance per dollar" cars all around. Back when the big rivalry between WS6, SS, and Cobra was out, the SS took 1st place pretty much everytime. Even right now, the new Camaro SS is blowing the Mustang and Challenger away in performance tests, and I believe it's one of the cheapest cars (don't quote me on that, I've gotten mixed information). I think this is why you get so many GM nutswingers. To be honest with you, I have always liked GM styling better than comparable cars as well, so they're pretty much the perfect car manufacturers for someone like me. But when it comes to car purchasing, it is always opinion....and opinions are never wrong. I could have spent half the money I did and had a car go as fast in a straight line as my car does now, and still been a pretty nice all 'round vehicle....but I chose the Z06 BECAUSE I LIKE THE CAR. Same goes for others, Porsches are awesome cars and still much cheaper than other vehicles with similar performance numbers. You can't argue the fact that GM consistantly puts out some of the best performance cars for the cost, but that doesn't mean that everyone should like them!

[btstone]

i cant believe this thread still is in existance

[iEvo]

i cant believe this thread still is in existance

so why post in it?

[Camrazy2102]

this is some good sh1t reading...lot of hostility up in here lol.

[Lankhoss]

this is some good sh1t reading...lot of hostility up in here lol.

Yeah, brand loyalty is nothing short of brilliant.

[oleblue]

I think both are fun but I like strait line racing better. Just my opinion. Dud saying it is gay is the one that is GAY, this thread has gone to far and should be locked.

This whole thread is fucked up all due to one guy.....................................

[Lankhoss]

I think both are fun but I like strait line racing better. Just my opinion. Dud saying it is gay is the one that is GAY, this thread has gone to far and should be locked.

This whole thread is fucked up all due to one guy.....................................

Fucking Frenchies....

[Camrazy2102]

^ lol, btw don't forget mayonnaise.

[whatever210]

tandems are fun

[Frög]

Yeah, brand loyalty is nothing short of brilliant.

I already said I liked your corvette.. Who are you referring to genius?

Now Pontiac, that is a different story..

[On_Her_Face]

Die thread die.

[SmackedInATL]

Die thread die.

My pleasure.