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    I will talk to Admin about this situation. Tiger, don't erase this thread until I do.

    This isn't a preaching post so don't go there. This is an explanation post.

    I will still race at the track and YES I WILL RACE THACKER AT THE TRACK.

    I obviously will not race on the street anymore. My opinion in my sig is just that, opinion. You don't have to take my advice, you don't have to follow my footsteps, and you certainly don't have to agree with it.

    All that statement says is: THINK before you make a decision. It does not say YOU MUST do as I say.

    I could care less if any of you continue to street race. Hell, I did it for years and loved it. I did it up until a couple months ago until it finally clicked in my head what I was risking. I understand some of you are younger and probably don't have the same things to risk as I do, but the one thing we do share in common is our lives. All of you already know that.

    Some of you don't think I should post in the "kills forum" because I won't street race? That's funny.

    The kills forum is for all kinds of racing, not just street so get that out of your heads. It seems to have turned more towards street racing in the last couple years though. Some people that go to the track still post about their kills at the track.

    If anybody cares to wonder why I've changed my mind on street racing you can continue to read on. If you don't care so be it. It might clear up some things for some of you though.






    I got a ticket for doing 16 mph over the limit about 2 months ago. Part of the agreement was they would drop it down to 14 mph so I wouldn't get any points. The solicitor makes it a point to have everyone speeding take a "defensive driving" course.

    Last week on Wednesday and Thursday night I took this class 3 hours each night.

    The first night they had us watch an 1 1/2 hour video on street racing and the possible things that could happen.

    It was this video that finally made things click in my head and realize things in life in general.

    In this video they showed multiple street races that went BAD. Numerous times they show the DEAD BODIES of the street racers, innocent people, and the worst part was dead bodies of the children that were killed by the street racers. That was the hardest part.

    One guy had his girlfriend in the car riding with him and they both t-boned
    another car so hard they were ejected and their bodies were mangled beyond recognition. The people they hit were an innocent FAMILY on the road.

    This family was t-boned by the street racer at 100 mph in a 45 mph zone. It was known that there was a problem with street racing on that street and the police were trying to crack down on the street racers.

    The mother driving was killed instantly, the 2 kids(4yrs and 6yrs) in the back seat died later at the hospital, but the father lived. They interviewed the father and it was HARD listening to him talk about his dead wife and kids. I thought it was strange that while interviewing the father, they had the camera zoomed in close to his head. It wasn't until the end of the interview with the father that they zoomed out and you could see he was in a wheelchair paralyzed from the waist down.

    I started thinking about my kids and if I died street racing or killed someone else while street racing. How SELFISH, STUPID, and CHILDISH would that be for me to continue doing it.

    They started interviewing the 18 year old kid who was street racing and LIVED from the same accident. He killed his girlfriend, a mother, and her 2 kids. He paralyzed a father.


    They had the camera zoomed in on his head too and I immediately thought "paralyzed" also, but at the end of his interview they zoomed out. He was fine other than the fact he was wearing a prison uniform and balling his eyes out. I remember he said "I never did anything like this before, but in the couple seconds I decided to street race it changed my life and another families lives forever". As he finished the interview he said he was serving 10 years in prison for manslaughter.

    They showed multiple stories like this all with different scenarios that HIT HOME with me.

    I'm not going to lie, it was sad watching these family members, friends, mothers, and fathers talk about the dead people no longer in their life.

    Seeing the actual mangled dead bodies in this video, especially the little kids was pretty disturbing. I guess that's why it affected me like it did.


    I don't expect some of you to understand, but for the people that do understand where I'm coming from, thanks.



    Once again, my sig only states "make the right decision" and don't do something "illegal" that could jeopardize lives. If you take offense to that then so be it, but I still have a right to post that in my sig whether you agree with it or not.

    It's kinda funny hearing people say they take offense to someone telling them to THINK before doing something illegal. That's like telling people "do the right thing and don't rob a bank" and people taking offense to it.

    I built this car to drag race at the track. The street racing just kinda happened and as I learned quickly, came with the territory. I never had intentions of street racing from the start though.

    On that note, if anybody wants to run a 9 sec Evo at the track for fun let me know.

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    He is still making posts in this forum, and has NOT changed his signature.
    Man needs a 30 day break like myself had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThackerSS
    He is still making posts in this forum, and has NOT changed his signature.
    Man needs a 30 day break like myself had.

    Already confirmed from higher ups I can keep my sig. Tiger has no say so anymore. Move along slow ass.

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    I'll see you at the track fatty.

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    i had to take that same class it sucked
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    I decided a few years ago that I had to much to risk and way too much to lose over street racing. I'm not into really condemning those who do, because that's where Dan and I got our start. I don't want to be a hypocrite. It's just a personal choice for me. I was never good at the racing part anyways. The shit talking fit my profile better

    I think that the kills forum is for just that....KILLS. You can beat someone in a race just as well at the track as on the street. This isn't the "street racing forum". I think that people who think they are way too cool for the track are insecure and need something to make them feel more like a G. That doesn't mean I think that this is true of all street racers. Just the ones who think they are too cool for the track and only "fan boys" race at the track.
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    Phil i respect your decision, we have all been there.

    I started off in this business street racing, thats how i got my name and my credibility. Eventually we all grow up and just organized street racing isnt where i want to find myself anymore.

    Too much risk, too much hassle, too much bullshit, too many deaths, too much chance of getting caught by cops, etc.

    If you still street race, thats cool, just be safe.

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    very very good post, i stopped screwing around on the street from one of those classes! hit me even more when one of two of the people they talked about where past friends of mine!

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    I second everything you say. Im tired of the street racing and wish people would just hit the track. That is for the people I do and don't like.

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    Good post Tracy.

    I see it like this. If you call me out i'm not going to go pay 20+ dollars and wait an hour or 2 just for one race. If a call out is involved then a not busy street/highway from a roll is the best way to get it done. Now if there's a meet or gathering at the track that's already on the day the person calls on out on.

    Also remember Tracy, not alot of us have the money or a shop to build cars and spend 20+ dollar fee and gas just getting there just to race for 10 bucks everytime someone calls you out. So when we go out to the track it better be worth it.

    I just think evo was wrong for spamming and trashing people for running on the street. That's all.

    I for one don't have the cash flow to go to the track every weekend. That's where parking lots come in handy. The man doesn't pay for shit.

    I for one would like to get back into solo II events.

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    ^its 15 bucks to race at a track. If that is really breaking your bank, you need a new job or lifestyle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridged
    Good post Tracy.

    I see it like this. If you call me out i'm not going to go pay 20+ dollars and wait an hour or 2 just for one race. If a call out is involved then a not busy street/highway from a roll is the best way to get it done. Now if there's a meet or gathering at the track that's already on the day the person calls on out on.

    Also remember Tracy, not alot of us have the money or a shop to build cars and spend 20+ dollar fee and gas just getting there just to race for 10 bucks everytime someone calls you out. So when we go out to the track it better be worth it.

    I just think evo was wrong for spamming and trashing people for running on the street. That's all.

    I for one don't have the cash flow to go to the track every weekend. That's where parking lots come in handy. The man doesn't pay for shit.

    I for one would like to get back into solo II events.

    Like I said, to each his own I don't know about the spamming or whatever. I just happened across this thread. I just think that if he wants to post in this forum, he should be able to based on the belief that this isn't just a street racing forum and a kill can be achieved on the track just as well as the street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2.3 Evo 8
    I will talk to Admin about this situation. Tiger, don't erase this thread until I do.

    This isn't a preaching post so don't go there. This is an explanation post.

    I will still race at the track and YES I WILL RACE THACKER AT THE TRACK.

    I obviously will not race on the street anymore. My opinion in my sig is just that, opinion. You don't have to take my advice, you don't have to follow my footsteps, and you certainly don't have to agree with it.

    All that statement says is: THINK before you make a decision. It does not say YOU MUST do as I say.

    I could care less if any of you continue to street race. Hell, I did it for years and loved it. I did it up until a couple months ago until it finally clicked in my head what I was risking. I understand some of you are younger and probably don't have the same things to risk as I do, but the one thing we do share in common is our lives. All of you already know that.

    Some of you don't think I should post in the "kills forum" because I won't street race? That's funny.

    The kills forum is for all kinds of racing, not just street so get that out of your heads. It seems to have turned more towards street racing in the last couple years though. Some people that go to the track still post about their kills at the track.

    If anybody cares to wonder why I've changed my mind on street racing you can continue to read on. If you don't care so be it. It might clear up some things for some of you though.






    I got a ticket for doing 16 mph over the limit about 2 months ago. Part of the agreement was they would drop it down to 14 mph so I wouldn't get any points. The solicitor makes it a point to have everyone speeding take a "defensive driving" course.

    Last week on Wednesday and Thursday night I took this class 3 hours each night.

    The first night they had us watch an 1 1/2 hour video on street racing and the possible things that could happen.

    It was this video that finally made things click in my head and realize things in life in general.

    In this video they showed multiple street races that went BAD. Numerous times they show the DEAD BODIES of the street racers, innocent people, and the worst part was dead bodies of the children that were killed by the street racers. That was the hardest part.

    One guy had his girlfriend in the car riding with him and they both t-boned
    another car so hard they were ejected and their bodies were mangled beyond recognition. The people they hit were an innocent FAMILY on the road.

    This family was t-boned by the street racer at 100 mph in a 45 mph zone. It was known that there was a problem with street racing on that street and the police were trying to crack down on the street racers.

    The mother driving was killed instantly, the 2 kids(4yrs and 6yrs) in the back seat died later at the hospital, but the father lived. They interviewed the father and it was HARD listening to him talk about his dead wife and kids. I thought it was strange that while interviewing the father, they had the camera zoomed in close to his head. It wasn't until the end of the interview with the father that they zoomed out and you could see he was in a wheelchair paralyzed from the waist down.

    I started thinking about my kids and if I died street racing or killed someone else while street racing. How SELFISH, STUPID, and CHILDISH would that be for me to continue doing it.

    They started interviewing the 18 year old kid who was street racing and LIVED from the same accident. He killed his girlfriend, a mother, and her 2 kids. He paralyzed a father.


    They had the camera zoomed in on his head too and I immediately thought "paralyzed" also, but at the end of his interview they zoomed out. He was fine other than the fact he was wearing a prison uniform and balling his eyes out. I remember he said "I never did anything like this before, but in the couple seconds I decided to street race it changed my life and another families lives forever". As he finished the interview he said he was serving 10 years in prison for manslaughter.

    They showed multiple stories like this all with different scenarios that HIT HOME with me.

    I'm not going to lie, it was sad watching these family members, friends, mothers, and fathers talk about the dead people no longer in their life.

    Seeing the actual mangled dead bodies in this video, especially the little kids was pretty disturbing. I guess that's why it affected me like it did.


    I don't expect some of you to understand, but for the people that do understand where I'm coming from, thanks.



    Once again, my sig only states "make the right decision" and don't do something "illegal" that could jeopardize lives. If you take offense to that then so be it, but I still have a right to post that in my sig whether you agree with it or not.

    It's kinda funny hearing people say they take offense to someone telling them to THINK before doing something illegal. That's like telling people "do the right thing and don't rob a bank" and people taking offense to it.

    I built this car to drag race at the track. The street racing just kinda happened and as I learned quickly, came with the territory. I never had intentions of street racing from the start though.

    On that note, if anybody wants to run a 9 sec Evo at the track for fun let me know.
    I agree!

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    P.S. I can't afford to race at the track right now either....so I just don't race. I enjoy driving with the stereo loud and the windows down until I can afford it again
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    Good thread... Especially for me, I recently stopped racing on the streets, and have been tempted to do so by other people. With a thread like this allows myself to even have a better reason to stop racing on the streets. Im young and what not and dont even have much to risk.. My life is enough to stop.

    Take it to the track people.

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    me too!
    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyF
    I second everything you say. Im tired of the street racing and wish people would just hit the track. That is for the people I do and don't like.

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    Excellent choice. reps for you.

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    6) If you don't agree with street racing, press the back button and find another forum to post in. This section of the website is about racing of all forms (street, drag, road course, auto-cross). If you don't like any part of that, we encourage you to post elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed
    even if it's $20, is $5 dollars really that huge of a difference?
    If you're into modifying cars and have to work hard for your money, then yes it is a huge difference. Plus, I could get a fresh pack of cigarettes and a drink for less than 5 bucks. So to me, it's a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed
    even if it's $20, is $5 dollars really that huge of a difference?
    Never said it was a big difference, just was wanting to know.

    Like i said i wasnt tryin to be a smartass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maniacurabus06
    If you're into modifying cars and have to work hard for your money, then yes it is a huge difference. Plus, I could get a fresh pack of cigarettes and a drink for less than 5 bucks. So to me, it's a lot.
    You need a new job then. $5 extra for racing legally is does not hurt my wallet at all, and we are all hurting because of the economy...

    Quote Originally Posted by 355 LT1 Z28
    Never said it was a big difference, just was wanting to know.

    Like i said i wasnt tryin to be a smartass.
    im not trying to be a smartass either...

    i wouldn't know where it's $15 dollars btw, i dont drag race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed
    You need a new job then. $5 extra for racing legally is does not hurt my wallet at all, and we are all hurting because of the economy...
    See, I'm a cheap mofo. 5 bucks is a lot to me.

    And racing at the track is fun, during track events. I wouldn't waste gas to drive to one on a friday night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maniacurabus06
    See, I'm a cheap mofo. 5 bucks is a lot to me.

    And racing at the track is fun, during track events. I wouldn't waste gas to drive to one on a friday night.
    that's cool. we are all different.

    how's the wrx?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ed
    that's cool. we are all different.

    how's the wrx?
    Phosho.

    Car's holding up, for now. Haha, I would ask you about your Evo but lets not threadjack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2.3 Evo 8
    I will talk to Admin about this situation. Tiger, don't erase this thread until I do.

    This isn't a preaching post so don't go there. This is an explanation post.

    I will still race at the track and YES I WILL RACE THACKER AT THE TRACK.

    I obviously will not race on the street anymore. My opinion in my sig is just that, opinion. You don't have to take my advice, you don't have to follow my footsteps, and you certainly don't have to agree with it.

    All that statement says is: THINK before you make a decision. It does not say YOU MUST do as I say.

    I could care less if any of you continue to street race. Hell, I did it for years and loved it. I did it up until a couple months ago until it finally clicked in my head what I was risking. I understand some of you are younger and probably don't have the same things to risk as I do, but the one thing we do share in common is our lives. All of you already know that.

    Some of you don't think I should post in the "kills forum" because I won't street race? That's funny.

    The kills forum is for all kinds of racing, not just street so get that out of your heads. It seems to have turned more towards street racing in the last couple years though. Some people that go to the track still post about their kills at the track.

    If anybody cares to wonder why I've changed my mind on street racing you can continue to read on. If you don't care so be it. It might clear up some things for some of you though.






    I got a ticket for doing 16 mph over the limit about 2 months ago. Part of the agreement was they would drop it down to 14 mph so I wouldn't get any points. The solicitor makes it a point to have everyone speeding take a "defensive driving" course.

    Last week on Wednesday and Thursday night I took this class 3 hours each night.

    The first night they had us watch an 1 1/2 hour video on street racing and the possible things that could happen.

    It was this video that finally made things click in my head and realize things in life in general.

    In this video they showed multiple street races that went BAD. Numerous times they show the DEAD BODIES of the street racers, innocent people, and the worst part was dead bodies of the children that were killed by the street racers. That was the hardest part.

    One guy had his girlfriend in the car riding with him and they both t-boned
    another car so hard they were ejected and their bodies were mangled beyond recognition. The people they hit were an innocent FAMILY on the road.

    This family was t-boned by the street racer at 100 mph in a 45 mph zone. It was known that there was a problem with street racing on that street and the police were trying to crack down on the street racers.

    The mother driving was killed instantly, the 2 kids(4yrs and 6yrs) in the back seat died later at the hospital, but the father lived. They interviewed the father and it was HARD listening to him talk about his dead wife and kids. I thought it was strange that while interviewing the father, they had the camera zoomed in close to his head. It wasn't until the end of the interview with the father that they zoomed out and you could see he was in a wheelchair paralyzed from the waist down.

    I started thinking about my kids and if I died street racing or killed someone else while street racing. How SELFISH, STUPID, and CHILDISH would that be for me to continue doing it.

    They started interviewing the 18 year old kid who was street racing and LIVED from the same accident. He killed his girlfriend, a mother, and her 2 kids. He paralyzed a father.


    They had the camera zoomed in on his head too and I immediately thought "paralyzed" also, but at the end of his interview they zoomed out. He was fine other than the fact he was wearing a prison uniform and balling his eyes out. I remember he said "I never did anything like this before, but in the couple seconds I decided to street race it changed my life and another families lives forever". As he finished the interview he said he was serving 10 years in prison for manslaughter.

    They showed multiple stories like this all with different scenarios that HIT HOME with me.

    I'm not going to lie, it was sad watching these family members, friends, mothers, and fathers talk about the dead people no longer in their life.

    Seeing the actual mangled dead bodies in this video, especially the little kids was pretty disturbing. I guess that's why it affected me like it did.


    I don't expect some of you to understand, but for the people that do understand where I'm coming from, thanks.



    Once again, my sig only states "make the right decision" and don't do something "illegal" that could jeopardize lives. If you take offense to that then so be it, but I still have a right to post that in my sig whether you agree with it or not.

    It's kinda funny hearing people say they take offense to someone telling them to THINK before doing something illegal. That's like telling people "do the right thing and don't rob a bank" and people taking offense to it.

    I built this car to drag race at the track. The street racing just kinda happened and as I learned quickly, came with the territory. I never had intentions of street racing from the start though.

    On that note, if anybody wants to run a 9 sec Evo at the track for fun let me know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnthonyF
    ^its 15 bucks to race at a track. If that is really breaking your bank, you need a new job or lifestyle.

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    Dif tracks dif prices. Up here in Ohio it's 35. It closest track to me in GA is 2 hours away that's a 1/4th.

    And I work at the government center in the elections office. I might not make much, but atleast i'm doing my part in the world. Someone as to do it.

    It's not breaking my bank, it's throwing money away that could be used for something other than being a waste for one stupid race.

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    Since you're a admin now, how about you delete the words below the kills forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridged
    I just think evo was wrong for spamming and trashing people for running on the street. That's all.
    I did no such thing. I could care less if you street race or not.

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    i understand phil, i used to have the attitude of "fuck the track" but sometimes things happen that change the way you look at life. the choices others make is their choice and even though id love to scream "dont street race" at everybody people have to learn on their own. your lucky a video got through to you, it didnt take something much worse.

    please be safe out there people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThackerSS
    6) If you don't agree with street racing, press the back button and find another forum to post in. This section of the website is about racing of all forms (street, drag, road course, auto-cross). If you don't like any part of that, we encourage you to post elsewhere.

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    The irony of you using this as a reason to cry about his sig is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

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    Lol.All because you got butt hurt over my post about your sig.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 350ZFTW
    Lol.All because you got butt hurt over my post about your sig.....
    Thats pretty funny because i see it the other way around. If you didn't get all butt hurt about my sig, none of this shit would have happened.

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    People get offended, because in your sig you are basically saying that if someone does something you don't agree with, they are WRONG (would be the opposite of doing the "right thing" right?)

    If you feel like you are really doing something good and right in your life, then stick with it. That's what defines character in someone.

    However, I think a lot of these videos and stories police share with people are nothing more than propaganda. I think pretty much everyone on this forum who does or has raced on the street would get equally pissed off if they saw people doing it around others who aren't a part of it. Going out on the highway late at night where no one else is around is completely different than racing down some damned suburban street with cross roads, driveways, sidewalks, and other areas where people may be. People get mangled, thrown from vehicles, beheaded, burned, paralyzed, and maimed while following traffic laws as well. Driving is dangerous......and the most dangerous thing is the STUPID people that drive. I can't imagine being in a position where I could have POSSIBLY t-boned another vehicle (unless the one with me wrecked into me or vice versa).

    I don't have a problem with people endangering themselves, that's your decision. But if you're too stupid to know where the line between possibly hurting yourself and hurting other non-involved parties is, then you probably shouldn't even leave your house.

    If the law and government was REALLY as concerned about street racing as they claim to be, then there'd be easier ways to have your car covered if it was wrecked at a track and have factory vehicles still covered under warranty if they were damaged at the track.

    I'll be perfectly honest with you.........racing at a track; be it a drag strip or road course, scares the living shit out of me. It's way more scary than anything I've ever done on a highway.

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    Maybe so......but I still laugh at what a lil post turned into a huge deal!!!!



    Quote Originally Posted by 2.3 Evo 8
    Thats pretty funny because i see it the other way around. If you didn't get all butt hurt about my sig, none of this shit would have happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lankhoss
    People get offended, because in your sig you are basically saying that if someone does something you don't agree with, they are WRONG (would be the opposite of doing the "right thing" right?)
    Actually, the bottomline is that wrong is wrong no matter what excuse we all convince ourselves with. I'm guilty of putting the hammer down every once in a while. I drive pretty fast everywhere I go. But I'm not going to justify MY wrong doing with some BS excuse(s). It's WRONG, period. Everything else is really nothing more than justifications.

    If you feel like you are really doing something good and right in your life, then stick with it. That's what defines character in someone.
    So does owning up to the fact that you're screwing up.


    I don't have a problem with people endangering themselves, that's your decision. But if you're too stupid to know where the line between possibly hurting yourself and hurting other non-involved parties is, then you probably shouldn't even leave your house.
    There's the problem with your statement. When anyone, including myself, races another car down ANY public street where there is a chance of hurting someone else, an innocent driver, then they are not "just endangering themselves" are they? Are there times when it's LESS likely? Absolutely. But unless you OWN the road you're racing on or at the track where there is no chance of anyone coming the other way......there is ALWAYS a chance to hurt someone else.


    If the law and government was REALLY as concerned about street racing as they claim to be, then there'd be easier ways to have your car covered if it was wrecked at a track and have factory vehicles still covered under warranty if they were damaged at the track.
    Because you have coverage for "street racing"???? So if you're not covered doing something illegal, what's the difference?


    I'll be perfectly honest with you.........racing at a track; be it a drag strip or road course, scares the living shit out of me. It's way more scary than anything I've ever done on a highway.
    Why? The surface is far more even than any public road. They have EMT's sitting there in case something goes wrong. You have people making sure the cars, people, and rules are followed. So what is there to be scared of there as opposed to some dark street behind some warehouse?

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    To OP, very commendable post.

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    I thought agruements over street racing was not permitted in this section?

    I remember not even a year ago Kidd banned someone for doing this, I am just trying to understand what are the new rules b/c I guess that disclaimer that you see when u click on kills forum doesn't mean anything anymore like it use to
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