This began as a discussion over people getting butt hurt over a sig, which is stupid.Originally Posted by TIGERJC
If we want to split hairs, then there would be no threads in the KF since arguments about car vs car and call outs that get personal aren't supposed to be allowed either.
Need to know IF is ok if we allow this thread but then delete others? Not splitting hairs, trying to understand the rules, which I saw enforced in the past years
2006 Evo IX - Bolt ons
Nobody is arguing so take off your mod crown for a second. The adults are just having a discussion.
Move along.
Who is arguing dumbass, I am just trying to get some clarification on the subject so I DON'T WRONG anyone else if I delete their thread or hand out a ban b/c they feel that they must tell the world how they feel.
2006 Evo IX - Bolt ons
There are plenty of threads in the KF that got "deleted" to protect people from getting in trouble. That's not technically allowed either, but it was done. Right? I mean, if Thacker and LT1Ultra can continuously call out people and do so breaking the rules and they're allowed to continue......that's what I'm talking about splitting hairs.
As far as this thread goes, if it gets out of hand I'll be happy to cut it off myself. Right now, we're going to squash all this cry baby crying over someone's sig that doesn't break any rules on any forum of IA.
Ironically enough, people don't care about tits, half naked women, political, racist, nor any other item in someone's sig, yet they cry about a guy who says "take it to the track"?????? Whatever. It's stupid and we're going to squash it right here.
man, TigerJC you need to stop trying to take things so literal.
That rule that Thacker Posted was to keep people like QD coming in EVERY THREAD and saying "street racing is gay your retarded for doing it".
While that is his opnion and i respect it, this forum is for street racing and other types of racing.
Phil is obvioulsy not going in every thread and posting his views. His signature is fine, ive said it can stay.
This thread was about him NOT street racing anymore. He has not passed judegement on anyone else in this thread, he was merely stating the reason behind his sig, and why he has stopped racing on the streeet.
Since Thacker made a thread about Phil not racing on the street cause he was scared which we all know is not true, phil wanted to just explain himself, and imo, basically say "Hey guys im done, i hope you be safe, and i hope you understand why im not doing it anymore"
almost like a good bye.
The thread stays, and so does his sig
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And thats what I was looking for. If I am unsure about a call I post up asking for other mods opinons on the matter.
2006 Evo IX - Bolt ons
That same highway you speak of, things could go wrong and there are cars out there when we raced. Maybe not on our side of the road, but on the other side there was.
You and I have been on that road NUMEROUS times and you have to admit, there are cars coming the opposite direction. You would be foolish not to admit your tire couldn't blow out and you cross the median into oncoming traffice. There is always "light" traffic on that highway even at 2 a.m.
I've also seen deer along that same highway. Hitting one of them could cause your car to go in a different direction and go into oncoming traffic.
I'm just being realistic on the highway comment. I will agree though that I think THAT particular section of highway is the SAFEST at 2 a.m. IF you are going to street race, BUT it's not 100% safe. I would even go as far as saying I think that is the ONLY somewhat safe place to race that I know of because of the fact it has very light traffice late at night.
It took me a while to stop lieing to myself about it being safe.
How many times have you driven the road you are going to race on to check it for debri? I never did. I sent someone ahead of us to check for police and deer, but if they don't look for debri your playing russian roulette. Hitting something at 140 mph on the highway could be fatal especially popping a tire.
I have to agree with Jaime, at the track you have the best surface available and paramedics and a fire truck standing by.If debri gets on the track they stop racing until it is removed by the sweeper truck, even the littliest pieces.
Nice post phil! +1 if i can sir.
If nobody is arguing, why even ask your question. DUMBASS!
Ppl's statements then
go fuck off
2006 Evo IX - Bolt ons
Ppl's statements then
go fuck off
Eat a peter! :boobies:
You think hitting debris at 70 - 80mph can't be fatal? You think going those speeds isn't enough to cross the median and go into oncoming traffic on the other side? Have you ever seen the result of hitting a dear at going HALF the speed of the speed limit on the interstate? Rarely is the car not totalled. I worked in a lady's house who had two broken hands, and was almost decapatated from an accident on that interstate. She was going the speed limit, a moving truck on the opposite side was going the speed limit. Somehow a wheel blew off the truck and bounced across the median. She never saw it, and it came smashing through the upper windshield and literally tore her roof off....almost taking her head with it. The impact caused both of her hands (on the steering wheel) to break. I was driving to Florida for work during a very heavy rainstorm, and SAW a guy change lanes on I-75N and lose control. He flew across the median, and also flew across all lanes of opposing traffic on my side of the interstate right behind with such speed he literally went flying through the air off the other side of the highway. My sister was almost killed in an accident at the age of 16 when her friend spun out of control doing 30mph.That same highway you speak of, things could go wrong and there are cars out there when we raced. Maybe not on our side of the road, but on the other side there was.
You and I have been on that road NUMEROUS times and you have to admit, there are cars coming the opposite direction. You would be foolish not to admit your tire couldn't blow out and you cross the median into oncoming traffice. There is always "light" traffic on that highway even at 2 a.m.
I've also seen deer along that same highway. Hitting one of them could cause your car to go in a different direction and go into oncoming traffic.
I'm just being realistic on the highway comment. I will agree though that I think THAT particular section of highway is the SAFEST at 2 a.m. IF you are going to street race, BUT it's not 100% safe. I would even go as far as saying I think that is the ONLY somewhat safe place to race that I know of because of the fact it has very light traffice late at night.
It took me a while to stop lieing to myself about it being safe.
How many times have you driven the road you are going to race on to check it for debri? I never did. I sent someone ahead of us to check for police and deer, but if they don't look for debri your playing russian roulette. Hitting something at 140 mph on the highway could be fatal especially popping a tire.
I have to agree with Jaime, at the track you have the best surface available and paramedics and a fire truck standing by.
I agree that it increases the risk, but it's not like a light switch where if you're following the speed limit you're safe, but if you go fast now you're gonna kill everyone within a half mile radius around you. I don't think I have so much of an issue with people who don't like street racing, as I do in the way they present it. "Oh look, bloody bodies!! The only way this can happen is if you street race!!" And the stories where innocent pedestrians are hit, or other cars t-boned.....are the most ridiculous scenarios I've ever heard. I don't know anyone who organizes a race where you pass crossroads or driveways (and if I did, rest assured I'd never hang out with them again). People who are bystanders to organized illegal races....being dumb enough to stand (or DRIVE) on the road while it's happening? Those people are asking for it, and sometimes get what they ask for.
How many fatal accidents have you heard about because of debris or animals on the road on that interstate? How many people have lost control and flown across the median at ridiculous speeds that you know of? For every horror story about the results of a street race, there's an equally horrific story from people who were obeying traffic laws or made an "honest mistake." I'd rather drive my car on a highway filled with 100% of intelligent people street racing the entire time, than 50% of them being complete idiots and going the speed limit. I personally do get pissed when I see cars flying by others and changing lanes on the highway racing each other. I get infuriated when I see guys on crotch rockets blasting through heavy traffic areas with no regard for safety, squeezing between cars and going 30 - 40mph faster than everyone else.
I can get cancer from eating dairy products. I could die if I don't routinely go to a doctor and have them shove a hose up my ass and wash my colon out. The media can scare the crap out of you with all sorts of information and pictures/videos. There are germs, bacteria, virii, and diseases you could easily get from going to certain places and being exposed to certain things. Allergins that can be deadly. It's DANGEROUS to leave your house on a daily basis. But you know what? I'm 30 years old, and these MILLIONS of things that could kill me each day haven't hit me. The most dangerous thing in the world is ignorance, and people who are ignorant and insubordinate are VERY dangerous when they decide they should race other people on public highways.
You and I get along just fine Phil, and I don't want you to take this the wrong way. I'm debating, not arguing. I'm not trying to change your opinion, and I honestly wouldn't make efforts to "convince" people to street race. I just think that all the hype around how crazy dangerous it is...is just that - hype.
You seem to feel strongly about your decision, and in your mind and heart it is the RIGHT thing to do. I commend and respect you for that decision. I said it before, and I'll say it again.....if you stand up for what you truly think is right in your heart, whether that is an unpopular opinion or not, I think it says a lot about your character.
The same government who you apparently allow to TELL you what is right and wrong also unjustly makes you pay federal taxes each year. Look that one up and see how "right" it is to follow those laws. Whenever you DRIVE down a public street with other people on it, there are tons of crap that can go wrong. YOUR statement is wrong, because if you are racing it doesn't just magically make it dangerous, where there was no risk before.Actually, the bottomline is that wrong is wrong no matter what excuse we all convince ourselves with. I'm guilty of putting the hammer down every once in a while. I drive pretty fast everywhere I go. But I'm not going to justify MY wrong doing with some BS excuse(s). It's WRONG, period. Everything else is really nothing more than justifications.
So does owning up to the fact that you're screwing up.
There's the problem with your statement. When anyone, including myself, races another car down ANY public street where there is a chance of hurting someone else, an innocent driver, then they are not "just endangering themselves" are they? Are there times when it's LESS likely? Absolutely. But unless you OWN the road you're racing on or at the track where there is no chance of anyone coming the other way......there is ALWAYS a chance to hurt someone else.
Because you have coverage for "street racing"???? So if you're not covered doing something illegal, what's the difference?
Why? The surface is far more even than any public road. They have EMT's sitting there in case something goes wrong. You have people making sure the cars, people, and rules are followed. So what is there to be scared of there as opposed to some dark street behind some warehouse?
And yes, I have coverage on my car if I am speeding, run a redlight, talk on my cell phone, get a BJ, or read a book while driving. If I go to a drag strip and wear all of my safety equipment, then hit a oil spot on the track that sends my car careening into the wall....then no, it's not covered. Also, I don't race my car on dark streets behind a warehouse.
You are taking a situation with a GIGANTIC gray area and making it very black and white. The problem I have with this, is that society focuses on the wrong things that endager people. We harp and harp and harp on how "safe" it is to follow traffic laws, but there is no punishment for being a fucking RETARD. And that is really the issue, more than speeding or racing, or whatever else.
Blah. This thread is lame now. Everyone get over yourself. Poop heads.
Go on tangents much???What do taxes have to do with illegal street racing?
Dude, you live in a parallel universe where common sense doesn't seem to thrive. Whatever. If you think for a minute that you guys street racing down ANY PUBLIC street doesn't exponentially expose both YOU AND INNOCENT people that may be on the same road......then you and I have nothing further to discuss.Whenever you DRIVE down a public street with other people on it, there are tons of crap that can go wrong. YOUR statement is wrong, because if you are racing it doesn't just magically make it dangerous, where there was no risk before.
Bottomline is that everyone one of US, notice I said US, needs to own up to the FACT that when we engage in this type of activity that it very well could end up hurting INNOCENT people that are merely driving by.
Name 1 track that let's oil spills sit on the track.And yes, I have coverage on my car if I am speeding, run a redlight, talk on my cell phone, get a BJ, or read a book while driving. If I go to a drag strip and wear all of my safety equipment, then hit a oil spot on the track that sends my car careening into the wall....then no, it's not covered.
No? Then I guess you race down well light, ie. well traveled, streets then?Also, I don't race my car on dark streets behind a warehouse.
While I agree with you to a certain degree, what we are talking about here is different. Example: The BIGGEST RETARD ON IA, i.e. Thacker the bragger, didn't think his all mighty chariot could ever lose a race let alone fly over a curb at 100 mph and end up in a ditch. But both DID happen......right or wrong? So therefore, even RETARDS don't think it can happen to them yet it does. Hence why there are rules that wouldn't apply to you or I, yet are needed for RETARDS like Thacker. Follow me?You are taking a situation with a GIGANTIC gray area and making it very black and white. The problem I have with this, is that society focuses on the wrong things that endager people. We harp and harp and harp on how "safe" it is to follow traffic laws, but there is no punishment for being a fucking RETARD. And that is really the issue, more than speeding or racing, or whatever else.
Who let the split tail in the boys room????
Oh hell naw! Split tail??? That is so awesome. MUAH!Who let the split tail in the boys room????
I knew you'd get a kick out of that......
BTW, your puppy is very cool. Saw it last night.....
yes puppy is cute, i got to play with him while me and paul were talking to Dan.
Speaking of split tails......who let this foo' in here?????yes puppy is cute, i got to play with him while me and paul were talking to Dan.
Well, you are kind of missing my point.
I agree, that in an area where people are racing definitely increases chances of bad things happening by a LOT. However, in desolate areas, it hardly makes a difference.
The difference is, IDIOTS will go race in neighborhoods or areas with intersections, anyone with a brain in their head will stay away from situations like this. My point is that the people who don't know the difference between the two scenarios are FAR more dangerous than the act itself.
Oh, I got your point. My point is simply that people that got all butt hurt about his sig need to get a life of their own. Who cares what he has in his sig? Is it racist? Is it breaking any rules? Is it advertising something he shouldn't? Then what's the big deal?
It's just like Thacker suing people because they wrecked his car AT AN ILLEGAL STREET RACE.............Ummmm, WTF????
Eh, I don't care about his sig heh
Cool, then we agree.
hugs for everyone
Splendid thread.
I was flying over I-20 the other day down low & slow and I decided to engage a cocky Civic who appeared to be traveling in excess of 100 MPH. I throttled up to about 120 kts and descended to the published engagement altitude of ~100 ft AGL. The sight of my flying machine must've startled the fellow, and he slowed down, as did I. Then, in a desperate attempt to get away from this strange flying object, he went WOT, but it was not enough - I poured the coals to her and off she went with a terrific surge forward, putting several airplane lengths on him - when suddenly, his vehicle veered to the left, careened off of the road and down into a ditch. I laughed at the steaming pile of wreckage, gave him a wag of the wings and headed for home. That'll learn him not to mess with us magnificent men and our flying machines.
Also, this thread needed this .gif for no particular reason. That bag that he's vigorously clutching is actually a bag of dynamite, multiple sticks of it. What the hell is he doing delivering a bag of dynamite? Must be having a senior moment.
This post has nothing to do with the topic at hand, how about that.
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Phil is back at it! Street racing again.
lol you dramarific mofo! are ppl not allowed to change their minds these days?
I did some spirited driving with a friend of mine, far from "street racing again".
I wish I could go street racing again, i'd drag that Cobra for as much money as your piggy bank would allow. Probably not much though.
ROFL!! Yeah, I know you would drag my Cobra, but let me put as much money in my car as you have in that Evo, then we will race. $40K invested and can't even hit a 9.
I just think it is funny how worked up you let Thacker get you. Its okay, I let him get to me before too, but have learned my lesson. Guess it takes a time or two for some people.
So it's acceptable when you tell someone that it's not fair because they have more money invested in their car. But when someone says it to you, it's not a valid excuse.
I'm just that guy that spends all his time printing.... T-shirts, banners, vinyl, etc.
"Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary.... that's what gets you"
BITCH, what the fuck do you not understand? I would have drug you piece of shit Neon WHEN I WAS BONE STOCK. You are a fucking dumb ass and shows every time you bring up "bang for the buck" regarding your fucking Neon.So it's acceptable when you tell someone that it's not fair because they have more money invested in their car. But when someone says it to you, it's not a valid excuse.
lol at you dragging me.
You ran a worse time than I did.
Stop being a bitch. If I could have gotten a valid tag that night you and I were leaving Gwinnett, I would have just turned the boost up and walked you then.
Oh well. Fortunately, most of the people on this sight know that your an idiot who jumped into the scene because you bought a car that you thought would be fast.
Too bad you wasted your money like a hick who won the lottery.
Unfortunately, instead of wasting money on my car, I am trying to prepare for a kid.
Once I get used to the constraints on my budget, I'll be putting money back into the neon, and with a measely 600 or so dollars, I'll be out there watching the look on your face as my tail-lights get smaller.
Well I'll try to, the rearview on the neon is kinda small.
Until then, keep running your mouth. Or you could go back to IS and talk shit there. Since it's probably hard swinging on Thacker's nuts on this site.
I'm just that guy that spends all his time printing.... T-shirts, banners, vinyl, etc.
"Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary.... that's what gets you"
If you are as quick as you say StillaNeon, I'll run you!
I'm not that fast, but I can hold on to a stock Cobra.
I'll run you Billy, doesn't matter.
It's all for shits anyway.
Just tired of listening to Aaron.
He talks shit, gets walked, comes up with an excuse. Dumps money into the car, wins a few races and becomes god.
I'm just that guy that spends all his time printing.... T-shirts, banners, vinyl, etc.
"Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary.... that's what gets you"
I've only been to the track ONCE in the car at this level and that was when I went to Ohio for the Buschur shootout.
Who do you know that goes out on their first try and hits a 9 sec pass?
Thacker doesn't get to me. He is actually pretty cool in person as we have all learned. It just bothers me that he backed out of 2 of our races now. He said he was going to drag the Evo with his goat, then the video of my car appeared and he DISAPPEARED.
Now he asked me for a dig run in his Camaro for $300 WITH HIM GIVING ME A 1/2 CAR and I accepted all of his terms EXCEPT I SAID I DON'T NEED A 1/2 A CAR, LETS DO IT HEADS UP. He backs out again.
I don't want him saying, "I had to give you a 1/2 car" bullshit. I just want a fair heads up race with no BS excuses.
My car RIPS it out of the hole on the street even spinning all 4 while doing it. He will never catch my car, not with 125 shot atleast.
people who have neer run 9s in a streetcar have no idea how hard it is. If it was easy everyone would be doing it
slower than you
Thats true, but once you are $40k in to it, don't you think that would make it easier?
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