To all the Bushur Evo Guys

[Vteckidd]

Now that im near a computer, done moving in to my new apartment on the THIRD FLOOR (Let me tell you how much of a pain in the ass it is to move up 3 flights of stairs, is it possible to pull every muscle in your body?) and now that things have calm down i wanted to elaborate on some things.


Let me start of by saying IM SORRY for opening my mouth. Unfortunetly every once in awhile (some may think more often than not) i get this uncanny urge to run my big mouth about things i probably should keep to myself. In that thread i made some pretty bad and unprofessional comments about David Bushur and i shouldnt have.

I also want to say i personally apolagize to Phil and Nick (2 Bushur cars) for coming off like i was bashing on your cars. I have nothing but respect for you guys, and i know how much time, effort, sweat, blood, and in phils case possibly semen went into your cars, and as a fellow enthusiast i shouldnt have made negative comments.

David Bushur has done GREAT Things. He has given more to this industry than i ever will, and he has dome some tremendous things in the DSM community. I wont take that away from him.

Most of you dont know me personally, and i mean REALLY know me, but i have a tremendous passion for learning especially about cars. Some people joke that im a secretary, or ive never done anything, and it used to bother me alot. Well lately ive just been ignoring that kind of talk because i know what im capable of and i know what i can or cannot do.

Over the 7 years ive been in this game, ive learned ALOT. Ive worked at 2 BIG NAME shops with BIG NAME tuners. Being in that environment you learn ALOT whether you can duplicate the skills or not, you LEARN.

Ive recently completed EFI University classes (101 and Advanced) and ive done alot of reading on tuning of FI engines. Ive bought a wideband to start tuning my own cars an playing around with things to get a better understanding of the technical and software of Engine Management systems.

Something that has always struck me as ODD was Bushurs BIG PSI BIG WHP pump gas cars. It just NEVER sat right with me. Now im not saying he CANT do it, or hes forging dyno numbers, im simply saying it just didnt mesh with my mode of thinking. Im not saying im a know it all even though i come off as one at times.

It just gets to me that no other car on the planet can come close to what hes claiming hes doing, and we are just supposed to say "ok, hes a genius". Unfortunetly i like to press people and get to the WHY. Some of you are right, he may not want to say WHY. He may have found something that no one else has yet, but to me thats still far fetched considering the internal combustion engine has been around for 100+ years. There are people out there just as smart as DB, how come Supras, Hondas, Subarus, etc cant duplicate the things he says he can do with DSMs?

I simply wanted to know what makes his cars able to run 10=15psi more boost than any other engine on the planet.

Im a technical person and a simple answer of "parts choice makes the difference" or "its DB!" doesnt do it for me.

So anyway this is getting way too long of a post but i just wanted to say that im sorry for running off at the mouth, i will try to watch what i say, and instead of bashing, try to ENGAGE in intelligent debate.

[hydroshutter]

I didn't read all of that

[AirMax95]

I have no clue of the said bashing, but Mike I respect you. You are a stand up guy!

Now find the magic formula and tell us all!

[99SI]

Aww how sweet. I knew where you wanted to go with the Buschur and understood what you were getting at you just did it very badly. lol.

[99SI]

I didn't read all of that

Cliffs: Mike posted doubts about David Buschur. Buschur guys got mad. Mike apologized for not posting his doubts in the correct manner. /

[hydroshutter]

Cliffs: Mike posted doubts about David Buschur. Buschur guys got mad. Mike apologized for not posting his doubts in the correct manner. /

[yungdz]

He's right, you are a pretty stand up guy. Probably the simplest answer as to why DB can do it with DSM's is because each engine is designed differently, even though they are all similar at the same time. Its a constant debate but I think every Subaru guy knows that an Evo makes more power with less mods than the Subaru Boxer engine. That's just the way it is.

But Kudo's to you.

[Ronsam2006]

I think the OP should get an Evo and see why they really call it an Evolution..lol

[slostang]

here's the answer.

dave buschur has a vial of chuck norris's semen. each 4g63 he builds is held together with said semen which is stronger than any bolt ARP could ever dream of.

[Ronsam2006]

here's the answer.

dave buschur has a vial of chuck norris's semen. each 4g63 he builds is held together with said semen which is stronger than any bolt ARP could ever dream of.

That just might be it...damn.

[CHUCK NORRIS]

here's the answer.

dave buschur has a vial of chuck norris's semen. each 4g63 he builds is held together with said semen which is stronger than any bolt ARP could ever dream of.

I only share my semen w/ your mom, and it's all in her a$$ where she likes it. Unless she farts in a vial and sells it to DB, then you sir are a liar.

[slostang]

I only share my semen w/ your mom, and it's all in her a$$ where she likes it. Unless she farts in a vial and sells it to DB , then you sir are a liar.

she does...

[CHUCK NORRIS]

she does...

I'd like to see her try to hover her ridiculously fat a$s over a vial w/out missing and getting my DNA all over the carpet. That'd be a site to see.

[GGPIS3]

this thread is going well... lol

glad you see the light mike. its not always about what you say, but how you say it.

[Type-R]

Evo motors are able to handle simple mods to produce big power. They are not comparable to Honda motors which often require resleeve, bore, larger pistons, mix-matched head/block combos, etc to produce the power with reliability. Upgrading to a Evo Green turbo, larger fuel rail, plugs&wires, intake system, cranking up the boost past 20 will go a long ways for the stock internals. Simple stuff. Even something simple like changing to a thicker head gasket or type of gasket (metal, etc.) will produce numbers.

I didn't read up into details on this shop that is being called out but I know first hand from my builds that it doesn't take a lot to produce a lot.

[WickedIXMR]

Evo motors are able to handle simple mods to produce big power. They are not comparable to Honda motors which often require resleeve, bore, larger pistons, mix-matched head/block combos, etc to produce the power with reliability. Upgrading to a Evo Green turbo, larger fuel rail, plugs&wires, intake system, cranking up the boost past 20 will go a long ways for the stock internals. Simple stuff. Even something simple like changing to a thicker head gasket or type of gasket (metal, etc.) will produce numbers.

I didn't read up into details on this shop that is being called out but I know first hand from my builds that it doesn't take a lot to produce a lot.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

lmao. x2.

[Type-R]

Sometimes

[Dietcoke]

I can run 25 psi on my LNF with no KR on 93 octane and do daily. I don't think some of the power numbers and PSI numbers they claim are too entirely lofty, given the right combination of engine mods.

[WickedIXMR]

Sometimes

Running thicker headgasket means lower compression on the motor = lower power all the time not sometimes. You obviously dont know what your talking about.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

Running thicker headgasket means lower compression on the motor = lower power all the time not sometimes. You obviously dont know what your talking about.

Own3d.

[Type-R]

Running thicker headgasket means lower compression on the motor = lower power all the time not sometimes. You obviously dont know what your talking about.

I guess not then huh

I was only tossing out random things, not details. And I was trying to stick up for Evo's in general since I've built a few on my off time from building RB's and such. But whatever, have a nice one.

[Ronsam2006]

If you don't know what a thicker headgasket does...then I doubt there is anything you can inform the OP about anything he already doesn't know.

[ILOVEKIDDRACING]

I guess not then huh

I was only tossing out random things, not details. And I was trying to stick up for Evo's in general since I've built a few on my off time from building RB's and such. But whatever, have a nice one.

built a few in your offtime huh

what do you have, them just laying around and ****.

[BABY J]

BOOST VS N/A DEBATE: ROUND 1


random thread outta nowhere - kinda related

[Type-R]

built a few in your offtime huh

what do you have, them just laying around and ****.

I am in the military and also ASE cert, so my off time is spent in my garage doing side jobs for people in town as well as car importation

[WickedIXMR]

I guess not then huh

I was only tossing out random things, not details. And I was trying to stick up for Evo's in general since I've built a few on my off time from building RB's and such. But whatever, have a nice one.

I call bs. If you can build motors then you should deff know what a thicker head gasket does.

[Type-R]

I call bs. If you can build motors then you should deff know what a thicker head gasket does.

I never claimed what I knew and what I didn't know. As I said before I only was tossing out rough random things supporting the reliability of the new Evo motors from my experiences. If my post was poorly worded for you to understand my point then I'm sorry.

You want to turn this into a words game then go ahead but I have no interest in continuing a debat with you on what parts have what effects and the pros and cons. It's a mute debate that serves no purpose with my original post of supporting Evo's.

[Catnip]

Running thicker headgasket means lower compression on the motor = lower power all the time not sometimes. You obviously dont know what your talking about.

Correct me if I am (since I usually am wrong, lol), but thicker headgaskets are usually stronger and always lower compression, right? If so, wouldn't a thicker headgasket in conjunction with raising the boost (safely since it's lowered compression and a better HG) yield higher HP numbers? Maybe?

[ct9a gsr]

Stock Evo HG is good for over 1kwhp.

[Ronsam2006]

Stock Evo HG is good for over 1kwhp.

Oh wow! I didn't know that...Mitsubishi really upgraded on that part there. DSM's weakest link in the motor is the head gasket. 22 psi on stock turbo is enough to tear it apart.

[2.3 Evo 8]

....a little semen went into the build of my car.

Good post Mike. One day, in a far off galaxy, the Buschur tuning secrets will be released.

[WickedIXMR]

Correct me if I am (since I usually am wrong, lol), but thicker headgaskets are usually stronger and always lower compression, right? If so, wouldn't a thicker headgasket in conjunction with raising the boost (safely since it's lowered compression and a better HG) yield higher HP numbers? Maybe?

In this case of being an evo motor no. The compression of the motor is already low since it was built for turbo. If you go any lower you will just lose power. Plus why would you want to go lower than 8.5:1 compression ratio? Thats already pretty low and the right compression ratio for turbo. Now if you have an N/A car with high compression like an s2k which is 11:1 and your going turbo then yes a thicker headgasket would make better numbers but only because it allows you to run more boost safely.

[slostang]

....a little semen went into the build of my car.

Good post Mike. One day, in a far off galaxy, the Buschur tuning secrets will be released.

you see guys... I speak the truth

[Paree4g63]

I personally think ya should get a EvoMR, get all the best buschur mods and try to tune it yourself. If the numbers come out very good & you're a good tuner..then you know it's mostly from the buschur parts but a great tuner will make the magic really happen in the longrun. AMS & BUSCHUR FTW!! My goal is to just do a bit of both; Hybrid!

[OnURleft]

In this case of being an evo motor no. The compression of the motor is already low since it was built for turbo. If you go any lower you will just lose power. Plus why would you want to go lower than 8.5:1 compression ratio? Thats already pretty low and the right compression ratio for turbo. Now if you have an N/A car with high compression like an s2k which is 11:1 and your going turbo then yes a thicker headgasket would make better numbers but only because it allows you to run more boost safely.

+1.

[WickedIXMR]

I personally think ya should get a EvoMR, get all the best buschur mods and try to tune it yourself. If the numbers come out very good & you're a good tuner..then you know it's mostly from the buschur parts but a great tuner will make the magic really happen in the longrun. AMS & BUSCHUR FTW!! My goal is to just do a bit of both; Hybrid!

Are you on crack?

[06IX RS]

^^ lol

[1000cckiller]

I call bs. If you can build motors then you should deff know what a thicker head gasket does.

you don't know yourself seeing, that mommy pays for everything.

[hydroshutter]

you don't know yourself seeing, that mommy pays for everything.

A bit uncalled for.