im guilty from time to time as well....2 weeks ago i had a srt-4 with a stage 3 mopar set-up...i was in 4th for the whole race from a 70 roll. he started in 3rd and shifted to 4th and got maybe 2 cars on me by the time we hit 120mph. im gonna try him again but we are gonna go from a 60 roll and me in 3rd...should have a different outcome. supposedly a stage 3 srt-4 is supposed to run mid-high 12's...we will see