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    Quote Originally Posted by civic95
    I didn't make assumptions, this was an article I came across written by Financial Expert : Suze Orman

    http://biz.yahoo.com/pfg/e10buyrent/art011.html
    Sorry bud. I normally agree with you, but on this one I totally don't. That person is no financial "expert" giving out advice like that.

    Mr. Stamos may not be the most eloquent poster, but his info is accurate.

    The article is very one sided.

    Most people don't have that kind of money to put down on their first property. There are loan programs and strategies that we can do to get you into the property, with little to no money down, AND avoid the dreaded MI. So her example is far from an accurate portrayal of REAL life RE transactions. If someone has $20k in their pocket to buy their FIRST house, I certainly would NOT put them into a loan where they have to use ALL of that $20K in the first place. What for? The difference between putting down $10k and $20k on the monthly payment is marginal at best. I'd advice them to keep that money and invest it elsewhere. If that home were in a good area, it will probably APPRECIATE that much if not more in a year or two. So why not have both, the money in your pocket AND the equity on the house????

    Something else that article isn't accurate about is maintainance costs. I've owned my own home since I was 21 yrs old. I've bought both distressed properties and brand new homes. My first home was actually a previously foreclosed property that required a good bit of work BEFORE I could even move in. And you know what??? I've never had $1200/yr worth of "repairs" in any of them AFTER I moved in. Yes, you do have to pay for your own repairs when they come up, but: #1- as Alex mentioned, there are very inexpensive insurance policies you can get at closing that can cover those for very little deductibles; and #2- it's not like it happens everyday nor every month. Unless you are buying a home built shack by a builder named Dufus, major maintainance issues don't occur everyday as the article would have you believe.

    Another issue I have with the article is that it glosses over EQUITY. Equity is one of the biggest pros of purchasing vs renting. Renting you never OWN anything of value. You can't take a loan against it. You can't refinance it. You can't even make too many changes to it. When you OWN, you call most of the shots. You have something financially tangible that you can borrow against, gain equity on, and make changes to as you see fit. How many renter's monthly payments stay the same? NONE. Rental payments ALWAYS INCREASE. It may be at the end of the term of the lease or it may be month-to-month, or it may even be every year, BUT one thing is for sure....it will go UP if you stay there. So in essence, renters always have a variable "intereste rate" if you will, yet gain ZERO equity at all. How's that a bargain? You could be renting for 10 yrs. EVERY DIME of that rent goes to build someone ELSE equity, not you. Had you been paying on a mortgage instead, you'd have some equity at least. What do you have when your lease is up to show for your rental payments???? Nothing. Sure, you don't have to deal with the rigors of selling the house before moving either, but personally I'd rather deal with that AND pocket a few grand than not.

    Mortgage loans are confusing for most people. There is more MISinformation out there than accurate unfortunately, and that is where WE get the raw end of the deal. Some of my fellow competitors are to blame for this, with their misleading ads. But mostly it is misinformed people, such as the author of that article, that perpetuate the never ending cycle. If you read that and didn't have anyone's rebuttal to it, you'd likely think she knows what she's talking about. Unfortunately, she doesn't. How can she when even by her own admission RE is the "BEST" investment out there, yet she is knocking it the whole time????? How's that work then?

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    Well I'm not sure she is knocking buying, she is just trying to get people to think about the "true cost". Maybe your maintenance cost won't equal $1200 a year. My 1st 2 yrs I had to replace the furnace, cooling coil, water heater, dishwasher). Which is close to that figure (again that is not what you will run inot with every house). Now imagine if you need to replace the roof after a couple years. Maybe you can get cheaper insurance, but thats a maybe. I personally wouldn't advise going with the safe auto of home insurance. The point of the article is to point out the extra expense beyond (principal and intrest) that most don't think about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civic95
    Well I'm not sure she is knocking buying, she is just trying to get people to think about the "true cost". Maybe your maintenance cost won't equal $1200 a year. My 1st 2 yrs I had to replace the furnace, cooling coil, water heater, dishwasher). Which is close to that figure (again that is not what you will run inot with every house). Now imagine if you need to replace the roof after a couple years. Maybe you can get cheaper insurance, but thats a maybe. I personally wouldn't advise going with the safe auto of home insurance. The point of the article is to point out the extra expense beyond (principal and intrest) that most don't think about.
    In all honesty, I've re-read the article and she is very much knocking home purchases. Although she contradicts herself too.

    Also to be honest, there are ways to avoid what you experienced too. Did you have a licensed and certified home inspector check out the house before you bought it? Did you have a RE agent represent you when you bought it?

    As for replacing a roof after 2 years, that doesn't happen unless the appraiser was a blind appraiser. The appraiser has to put in their report what they feel is the expected life of the roof at the time of appraisal. If it is in such bad shape that it needs replacing in w/i 2 yrs of you moving in, 99.9% of the time the appraiser catches that and denotes in their report. At which time, WE (as the lender) would not approve the loan. So again, it's not a realistic scenario that you have to fix a MAJOR structural component of the house w/i a relatively short time of moving in IF you use your noodle from the start by putting to use the avenues afforded you legally, i.e. home inspectors, appraisers, and good RE agents. All those guys go a long way towards protecting you from getting screwed.

    As for insurance, it is pretty much a fixed cost unless you have some bad claims against you. Insurance rates are calculated based on risk. So for the most part, most homeowner's quotes will be w/i a similar ballpark most of the time. If you have car insurance with someone, you may even get a lower quote because of multiple discounts. Another way to adjust your premiums is by adjusting your deductible. Another is to have monitored alarm system. Another is your vicinity to a fire station. Another is by the construction of the home. It goes on and on. My point is that insurance is a must have item. Where you get it is up to you. If you are well adviced, then you will get reasonable to great prices. If you are left to your own accord, you may not. This is where the service level of your "advisor", be it RE agent or Lender, comes into play. We all sell the same loans. We don't all have the same experience and level of customer service. Remember that.

    BTW, if her point is to make people aware of additional costs that somehow are sprung on the customer at the last minute......see the above paragraph's closing sentences. All my customers KNOW what their ENTIRE payment is even before putting the application in sometimes. At the very latest, they know at application because we are required by law to show each and every customer a document called a "Good Faith Estimate". That document shows clearly, line by line, every single dime the customer is expected to pay or not pay. It also has the monthly payment broken down to each of it's components, P/I/T/I.....not just P/I. Each customer signs that document AT APPLICATION. So, there really is no way that they don't know what they're getting into or where their money is going unless they have blinders on. Can it happen? Yes. Does it happen? Sure. But if all else fails, the attorney goes over it again at the closing table to further drive the message home. Other than tattoing it onto their foreheads, that's due dilligence in my eyes. So if she is somehow trying to act as if she suddenly discovered the wheel with her findings....she's yet again wrong. My customers KNOW exactly the who/what/where/when of their money when they do their loans thru me. Ask them. There's a few of them in IA.

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    I can vouch for you, Jaimie..
    I got free clear tails with my ride.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300
    I can vouch for you, Jaimie..
    Thank you Vern....

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