Good answer.Originally Posted by .blank cd
Good answer.
This Robin Hood government is not what i would call public assistance. Theyre taking money from one person and giving it to another. I call it stealing.... or extortion maybe.
It's not assisting anyone to make it so theyre incapable of taking care of themselves and dependent on government.
Tell me how section 8 specifically benefits me. Give me your justification of this program.
You can call it whatever you want to call it. But the truth is, the people who use it have also paid into it all their lives. So I guess you could also say they're taking it from themselves?
That is, unless, you just want to look at it through your own narrow worldview.
But that's not what it is, so....It's not assisting anyone to make it so theyre incapable of taking care of themselves and dependent on government.
I can't tell you my justification for it because it's not my program and I didn't design it, but I can give you the insight of the economists and the people who set it up, and you can compare it with your own thoughts of the system if you'd like.Tell me how section 8 specifically benefits me. Give me your justification of this program.
Those people who paid into it their entire lives should not have been forced to pay into their entire lives and should have that money they paid into it to invest how they please, the same as me.
It's not the government's job to supply people with equal things, only equal opportunity.
Couldn't think of a simpler answer
I really is admirable how much liberals want to give in charity to their fellow man...........................
now if we could ever get them to start doing it with their own money.....
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
Im going to have to see more proof that Obama actually said he was sorry. Your sources are questionable.
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To me its not more a debate, he lied, the internal memos show exactly what smart people like me and David, and Jimmy, and Sin have been saying on this site for 3 years. I wish I could go pull up the old HC debate threads just to pat myself on the back.
EVERYONE with any business experience said this would happen, the whole "if you like your plan you can keep it" was such bullshit because they knew that the goal was to get people into the exchange. They were forcing insurance companies to cover things they werent covering before, and mandated minimum coverage which raises costs, and the companies were going to pass that along.
Its all happeneing, exactly as we predicted. Blank and others still drinking the kool aid
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"Racing is life. Anything before or after is just waiting." - Steve McQueen
LOL
That's it? "Sorry"?
That's it. LOL
THANKS OBAMA !!!!!!
I got free clear tails with my ride.....
Obama never said he was "Sorry" for Obamacare. He said he was sorry that people were too stupid to understand the fact he lies, and they chose to believe him.
Listen close.
That's exactly what he said.
I wonder how the election would have gone if he was honest. I know he still would have carried the black vote..... but it could have made a difference.
Have any of your insurance policies changes from Obamacare? Anyone in here?
"Insurance companies appear to be [cancelling policies] for a variety of reasons; some are pulling all their plans from certain states where they have fewer subscribers in order to save money."
And...
4 Debunking Obamacare myths: Both sides get it wrong - CNN.com
CNN can be trusted to offer an unbiased look at Obamacare.
Just for curiosity, any of those companies who cancelled policies for a variety of reasons, are any of the reasons because the Affordable Care Act made healthcare more affordable and that they simply did not like paying more affordable prices?
This was exactly the comment I was looking for.
What? i said that CNN can be trusted........ why would anyone question that?
Obamacare
Bolded is the only part that matters.Let’s say that you are a healthy, hardworking 54-year-old single adult in San Francisco earning $45,960 per year—the income level at which federal Obamacare subsidies from your fellow taxpayers are no longer available to help you pay your monthly health-insurance premiums. As a San Francisco resident, you are permitted to choose from among 16 separate Obamacare-compliant insurance plans. Four of these are so-called “Bronze” plans, low-level policies whose average premium will cost you $453 per month, or $5,436 per year. In exchange for those premium payments, a Bronze plan will cover 60% of your medical expenses—that is, after you meet the $5,000 out-of-pocket annual deductible. For this priceless peace of mind, you can thank Obamacare—the Democratic Party’s gift to a grateful America.
Let us contrast your case with that of Joe, another 54-year-old single individual in San Francisco, who happens to be an obese alcoholic and longtime drug abuser with little ambition and no history of ever having held a full-time job for very long. Joe currently earns $15,860 per year, which is just above the income level that would have made him eligible for Medicaid. Because Joe doesn’t qualify for Medicaid, Obamacare stipulates that he must now purchase his own health insurance—thereby proving that, contrary to the shrill rhetoric of conservative naysayers, no one gets an undeserved free ride under Obamacare.
Like you, Joe can choose from among 16 separate plans that are available to San Francisco residents. But unlike you, he is eligible to receive federal government subsidies—money that other, wealthier Americans, such as you, magnanimously “contribute” toward the healthcare expenses of financially “disadvantaged” individuals. If he selects one of the four Bronze plans (whose average monthly premium is $453), Joe qualifies for $452 in average monthly subsidies—meaning that, regardless of which Bronze plan he chooses, he will pay a monthly premium of exactly $1. You read that correctly. The very same healthcare plan that would cost you $453 per month, is available to Joe for $1 per month—i.e., the cost of three oatmeal-raisin cookies at your local Subway sandwich shop. Over the course of a year, you will pay a total of $5,436 in policy premiums, while Joe, who sadly failed to qualify for free healthcare through Medicaid, will pay his own fair share of $12. This is all in the interest of social justice, you understand. And please, don’t even think about whispering that Obamacare might be some sort of “wealth redistribution” scheme, lest you expose yourself as a petulant reactionary who doesn’t give a damn about sick people.
Oh, imagine what a wonderful world it would be if we could somehow transfer this same brand of Obamacare-style fairness to realms other than health insurance. In such a utopia, for example, the $25,000 new automobile that you purchase would cost a deserving soul like Joe just $55. Your $100 nightly fee at a motel would be 45 cents for Joe. And the $25 hardcover book you purchase at Barnes & Noble would set Joe back about a nickel. What’s that, you say? These items aren’t life-and-death necessities, like medical care, and thus don’t serve as useful analogies? Good point! Let’s stick with real necessities, such as food and housing: The same load of groceries that costs you $250 would cost Joe 55 cents. Your $1,200-per-month rent or mortgage payment would be available to Joe for about $2.65 a month. And the $250,000 home you seek to buy could be Joe’s for about $552. Yes, we’re talking about a veritable paradise of fairness!
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Did anyone cite more affordable prices as their reason for canceling insurance?
I am covered under a union contract for this year, but we renegotiate next March. I am predicting that next year, when the employer mandate kicks in, I will see my rates rise in excess of 15% by a combination of higher costs to my employer and my employer taking on a smaller percentage of the bill. They currently pay 87%.
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Obamacare Will Be Repealed Well In Advance Of The 2014 Elections - Forbes
Don't know that I necessarily agree with him that it will be repealed that quickly, but he does make some good points about the political fallout.
I dont see it getting repealed at all. They will make changes, but not repeal it. The democrats wont give up that much power. It would be deadly to Hillary in 2016. Their only hope is to convince people that the "evil" insurance companies are standing in the way of total govt utopia and healthcare. Which, was kinda the goal all along.
The Democrats will spin this that is the insurance companies that were offering "bad quality" insurance, and thats why they are losing their policies. The only hope is to turn to an entity that has your best interests at heart, the govt.
/FAIL
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I hope you're wrong...............
but knowing what spineless immoral scumbag trash that democrats are, you're probably right.
They already are claiming the canceled policies are bad policies and the people would be better off without them.
Your taxes paid for this advertisement. Enjoy.....
Do you live in Colorado?
Any tax dollars that goes to an ad like that is wrong.
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And it doesn't look like any tax dollars went into it at all. So there's that.
Something tells me this is a joke. Or and ad campaign by someone who DOESNT like Obamacare.
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Not sure about that
- Boston.com
Do You Got Insurance? | The Locker Room
Obamacare ads from Colorado Consumer Health Initiative | Radio Vice Online
ObamaCare Ad: 'Hope He's As Easy To Get As Birth Control'
Obamacare Ads Push 'Brosurance': 'Don't Tap Into Your Beer Money to Cover Those Medical
Bills'
http://michellemalkin.com/2013/11/13...-and-circuses/
not that those are "reputable sources" by your standards, but sure looks like its taxpayer funded
http://www.cohealthinitiative.org/missionThe “Got Insurance?” campaign is the lame brainchild of two “progressive” outfits with dubious nonprofit status: ProgressNow and the Colorado Consumer Health Initiative. Their previous claim to fame: a “Thanks, Obamacare” social media movement to propagandize praise and gratitude for the federal mandate.
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False. Once again you pull shit out of your ass, put your own opinion on a pedestal and lie effortlessly. Congratulations.... you make democrats proud.
Clinton calling on Obama to adhere to his promise and committment
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doyougotinsurance.com
Do you got insurance?
Wow.
That cant be a real ad. Must be a joke.
WOW. I clicked the site and it looks legit. Are we sure this isnt someones ploy or farce?
If that is real, just shows the complete lack of class society has come to.
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It's a real, tax payer funded website designed to promote Obamacare.......
Obama himself is running around to every sports league and hollywood actor in America trying to get people to endorse Obamacare.... why would anyone be surprised by this? This is why Obama's sheeple love him. He appeals to lower class citizens..... that's why he's a democrat.
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