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What did he misrepresent about climate change? The consensus 40 something years ago was that another ice age was imminent, now the consensus is that the earth is warming and we're all doomed. So which is it?

The scientific consensus, the only consensus that matters, is that the earth is warming and that humans are partially responsible. The politicians and pundits and MSM are the only ones that are saying we're doomed. Scientists say that it would be irresponsible to have the ability to do something about it and just sit on our hands.

Steven Chu, the energy sec saying we need European level gas prices.
Obama saying how his policies will bankrupt the coal industry and cause electricity rates to skyrocket.
EPA regulations choking out industry.

How long ago was that?

The fact is, we are throwing MILLIONS of dollars of borrowed money at green energy companies that are failing right and left. Why are the failing? Because there is no market for their products, they are too expensive and inefficient to be practical. The only market for all this green energy technology is the false market created by the gov't sticking their hand into the marketplace where it shouldn't be.

So then your solution would be to not use the technology we have, and sit back and relax til we run out of oil, then think of something then. What happens when China or India comes out with a breakthrough in clean energy technology, would you rather just pay them for it? Lol

[Browning151]

The scientific consensus, the only consensus that matters, is that the earth is warming and that humans are partially responsible. The politicians and pundits and MSM are the only ones that are saying we're doomed. Scientists say that it would be irresponsible to have the ability to do something about it and just sit on our hands.

They said the same thing 40 years ago, and they were dead wrong. Granted technology has improved in the past 40 years, but what makes them unequivocally right now?

How long ago was that?

2008, your point? It was his stated position, still is. What has been done in the past 4 years to reduce the cost of energy? Nothing.

So then your solution would be to not use the technology we have, and sit back and relax til we run out of oil, then think of something then. What happens when China or India comes out with a breakthrough in clean energy technology, would you rather just pay them for it? Lol

Did I say we just sit back wait for someone in China or India to come up with something? No. Is it the gov't job to come up with new technologies? No. Throwing millions upon millions of borrowed dollars at "clean" energy doesn't guarantee that we will be the first either. We're also not running out of oil anytime soon.

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Did I say we just sit back wait for someone in China or India to come up with something? No. Is it the gov't job to come up with new technologies? No. Throwing millions upon millions of borrowed dollars at "clean" energy doesn't guarantee that we will be the first either. We're also not running out of oil anytime soon.

Does it matter if we're first though? Why not use the money for our own "energy independence" as people coin it. Why not? It actually wouldnt matter who is first or last, so long as we're doing it. Developing new technology for the sake of the future is awesome. Why stop it over money? You DO realize that money is just made up right? People ask "oh how will we pay for it, where will the money come from?" WE PRINT IT and VALUE IT. Just make it and STFU, it's for the future.

And we will run out of oil soon, or we'll just die from overheating our lil green and blue home. We may be able to air condition ourselves, but cows can't, soybeans can't, trees can't. Support "green" energy, it's clean, fukin use it.

[Browning151]

Does it matter if we're first though? Why not use the money for our own "energy independence" as people coin it. Why not? It actually wouldnt matter who is first or last, so long as we're doing it. Developing new technology for the sake of the future is awesome. Why stop it over money? You DO realize that money is just made up right? People ask "oh how will we pay for it, where will the money come from?" WE PRINT IT and VALUE IT. Just make it and STFU, it's for the future.

And we will run out of oil soon, or we'll just die from overheating our lil green and blue home. We may be able to air condition ourselves, but cows can't, soybeans can't, trees can't. Support "green" energy, it's clean, fukin use it.

I don't even know where in the hell to start with this post.

"Where does the money come from? WE PRINT IT and VALUE IT" Certainly you're not so dense as to think we can just infinitely print money with no consequences. The more money we print the less it is worth. There's a metric shit ton of places to better spend money right now than unicorn farts and fairy dust.

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where will the money come from?" WE PRINT IT and VALUE IT. Just make it and STFU, it's for the future.

Wow... I'm not even sure where to begin. So I will gracefully bow out of this high-brow conversation.