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    Pawlenty has to settle the Cap and Trade thing too. He has an ad in which he favors cap and trade in his state. He's socially conservative enough to catch the rank and file however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ek forever View Post
    Pawlenty has to settle the Cap and Trade thing too. He has an ad in which he favors cap and trade in his state. He's socially conservative enough to catch the rank and file however.
    Pawlenty can survive the cap and trade problems for the reason he gave. He signed off on a study of it that included economic consequences. If I remember correctly he was out of office when the study came back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BanginJimmy View Post
    Pawlenty can survive the cap and trade problems for the reason he gave. He signed off on a study of it that included economic consequences. If I remember correctly he was out of office when the study came back.


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    That's good to know he can get out of that.

    I'm surprised you didn't mentioned what I'd said earlier:
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    Here's a question. Where do corporations get the money with which they pay taxes?

    (Hint: businesses don't pay taxes)

    When the government forces the market in a direction it creates a distortion, that distortion usually comes in the form of higher prices. Either for the consumer or the taxpayer who is ultimately the consumer anyway, it just varies who writes the check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ek forever View Post
    Wood is 1% of the U.S. energy supply. Alternative energy has a long way to go sir. The first step is becoming affordable. The minute a solar panel company will install solar panels on my house and a battery pack that runs the house at night and charge me less than $80/month in the winter then I'll be all over it.
    The idea behind alternative energy isn't to immediately replace other sources of energy, its to gradually reduce consumption and dependance on fossil fuels and use as much clean energy as possible. While you might not be able to meet ALL of your energy needs with a solar panel, you can certainly meet SOME of your energy needs, and cut down your consumption of coal thats mined from mountaintop removal, and the pollution that comes from burning it.

    While solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, and hydroelectric power plants might be expensive... oil, coal, and ethanol are expensive too and receive massive Federal subsidies.

    Say what you want about wood energy being 1% but at least its renewable and allows rural people to be self-sufficient. My grandpa used wood all his life. He cut down 2 or 3 trees on his property every year and his heat for the winter cost him nothing more than a couple days of labor every season cutting and splitting firewood. I think solar energy has the same principle going for it in that it allows one more (in some cases complete) independence from "the grid".

    As I have said before, more domestic drilling isn't going to reduce gas prices because oil is a commodity sold on the world market at a price determined by OPEC. Oil drilled domestically would sell for the same price as foreign oil. And indeed most of the domestic production of oil is sold to other countries. The way to reduce gas prices is to build more refineries so that we can actually use more of our current domestic oil production. But with refineries theres always the "not in my backyard" factor...

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    But oil sold domestically doesn't sell for the world price. I've got stock in a company in the three forks area selling oil for $60 a barrel. The oil is a average of the prices we get from all over the world.

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    No need for a new thread.


    Monday night, GOP debate in new hampshire. This one will include all of the big shots. Even the one that is already unofficially done.

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