opinions, you both have yours, congratulations.
Excuse me if you feel somehow I have invaded your political internet pissing hole. carry on
opinions, you both have yours, congratulations.
Excuse me if you feel somehow I have invaded your political internet pissing hole. carry on
Your opinions are always welcome regardless of what they areOriginally Posted by StreetHazard
Never actually saw Clerks II. If the rest of the movie is that funny I am definitely going to watch it.
The problem is the American voter.. Stop voting Democrat or Republican so we can bring in some people that really care.
Also, I'll just add that Joe Biden is FUCKING AWESOME!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR6BR464U3M
It hilarious seeing all the Wingnuts get so stirred up lately. Lately you guys are getting to the point to where you can't keep your bigotry and prejudices in the closet.
If theres hate in your heart, let it out
yea really true colors are coming out...lol
YES!!! Someone else that has a brain for themselves. Why DO we solely vote Demo/Repub? What makes them so amazing from the rest? Why not give an Independent or two a change to run? Or.... let one Independent have 2 terms and another one term? And... then when we elect them, stand behind them in reasonable ideas? Why do we elect if we're just going to bash everyone for every idea they've ever had, period?
That would be awesome!
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I agree, but I would go one step further. Dump the political party system and the career politicians completely. Get rid of the current version of primaries in which we pick a dem and gop candidate. Go to the open primary system in which the top 2 candidates run in the general election and party doesnt matter in the least.
I am not trying to sound bias in any way, nor am I saying that I completely agree with the Government providing healthcare or Welfare nor am I a Republican or Democrat, but many of the people here that disagree with all this have probably never been in a tough situation where life demands more than they can handle at the moment. There are times when you lose your job and you have kids to feed. What are you expected to do? There have been many families that have gone through this during this recession. I believe Government help should be there for those that need it while going through tough times or such; not for those that want to exploit the system and live off it.
I have noticed specially here in GA (I come from Rhode Island) that many companies do not hire Full-Time employees but have them work 40HRS+. Stop and think why they do that? TO AVOID HAVING TO GIVE THEIR EMPLOYEES BENEFITS and for some reason many people still think there is nothing wrong with that. I have noticed a huge difference between Rhode Island (and most Northeastern states) and Georgia. Georgia's laws are there mostly to help the businesses and corporations. I have seen many cases and have lived them so no one come here and tell me that it's BS where companies fire people for no reason and there is nothing that can be done about it. Try that in a Northeastern state and see what happens.
The point I'm trying to get across is that I have encountered many people like some of the ones I have seen on this thread here in GA where their mentality is set on benefiting businesses and thinking of profit rather than to try and think for what's best for all of us. I don't know about you guys but this world would be a much better place if we all thought of what's best for ALL OF US rather than a few of us that have power over the rest.
AGAIN, I am not talking about providing help for everyone, but more like let's think of all of us rather than some of us. Money and Profiting is not everything.
I'm sure alot of you will disagree with me on this but most of us go through a stage in life where we are all forced to seek for help and that's when you realize something like this. Maybe I think like this because I come from a foreign country where no help is given at all, and the rich only think of themselves and I see how things turn out to be.
I agree, but I also think that their should be a firm limit on the length of time ou can continue to get govt handouts, no matter what form they take.
No employer, in any state, is required to give benefits to anyone. That is why it is called a benefit. GA laws do benefit employers, and I am in full agreement with that. The employer owns that job, not the person currently occupying it. If an employer does not want someone in the job they hold, they should be able to fire them.
Do you agree with this quote? From each according to their ability, to each according to their need.
The job of a business is to create profit. Without profit there is no expansion of the business. Without expansion there are no new employees. What good is a business that only makes enough to survive?
People are given more than enough help in this country. In this country, poverty is a choice you make, it is not a predetermined status.
It would be interesting if I was a bigot and a racist against white people. That would almost make me "self-loathing", or maybe even more interesting if I started some kind of white movement to suppress the rights and nullify the economic viability of other white people. Like a "WPAOWP"
White People Against Other White People™ organization
I am interested, you might be on to something. But since I hate white people I might have a hard time getting a meeting together.
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I am not a racist or a bigot sorry to dissapoint
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I kind of am actually, if you were it would probably help break the nauseating monotony of conservative whines and cries in this forum. We could then atleast get some giggles and entertainment at your expense.
I read the last page, all your arguments have to do with hatred yet you have hatred towards the people who have legitimate concerns about what this will do to the country because you describe them as "rich white folk"
What about the people that will lose their jobs because companies make cuts to stay afloat? What about the people who lose their jobs because companies CAN'T stay afloat? These are blue collar workers who bust their ass day in day out. I have no respect for a man who is selfish and greedy but I also have no respect for the man who is lazy and wants handouts, I don't care what color or religion you are. I have a feeling you fall into one of those categories, and it isn't the first one. I respect Obama because I respect success, I despise Obama because of what he is going to do to this country.
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I think you are taking my words far too serious. I also really do not care what Obama does or does not do, because I full confidence in my ability to survive, not only survive but to succeed in whatever path I choose for myself...Those are not the words of a man asking for handouts, but the words of someone that has already proved himself so thoroughly TO himself in this life he feels no need to prove it to others. So please save your witty judgements for someone that actually cares what you think.
You people really are on edge if my simple words ignited such a itch inside you, that you feel the desire to go through my posts line by line and attempt to dissect and intellectualize essentially the opinions and ramblings of a Nihilist. So where the fuck is my political party? Where is my party logo I can hide behind? Is it blue? Is it red? Or does it even exist at all? I have no cause, I have no agenda, but I certainly have opinions and I certainly refuse to live in fear. Fear of my government, fear of my job, fear of my community, fear of war, famine and terrorism. If all of those things happened at once I would do everything in my capabilities to be the last man standing, if I wasn't I certainly would not go down without a very bloody fight.
I don't care at all about Obama, I could really give a fuck less about McCain. Sarah Palin, I would like to talk into doing an ass to mouth with my big toe. The entire financial sector could collapse today and I could find a hustle to survive in the new circumstances because I am willing to adapt and change depending upon my surroundings. And none of your opinions or your supposed "facts" or your witty condescending comments will crack a dent into what I think, and that is the final point.
It is only what I think...it is a viewpoint just like your own, which I could just as easily disagree with but any of my words will still have no bearing on how you have chosen to view this world.
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My point was you're a hypocrite in your own arguments, whether you mean them or not. Congratulations on your self-proclaimed achievements but in no way, shape, or form did you ignite an itch in me or anger me in the least. In no way am I living in fear of not being able to succeed for myself, that I can do, but to each person success is measured differently. My fear lies in the fact that I have many people that work for my company that I would hate to lose because of a political agenda and I make it my responsibility to care. Therefore this is an important matter, not to my own survivability but to my own goals and to the lives of the people who work for my company. So, in my opinion, go try to cause chaos elsewhere, go find yourself a cave in a desert where you can be your own self-proclaimed God for all I care. People will be affected, children, elderly, middle-aged. Most of those affects, I fear, will not be positive. If you don't care, then don't post.
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I just have to say I am thoroughly enjoying this on both sides..
here here......where's the popcorn one?
Looks like logic is winning in this thread...subscribed
But seriously, this is what I've been trying to tell my people on both sides of the coin..."if you don't take care of YOUR self and YOUR responsibilties, you're FUCKED anyway"
It won't matter who the president is and what his policies are. Chances are, YOU won't be affected if you stand the hell up and make shit happen for yourself...
It's amazing how current this still is after over 15 years after his death, the world needs Bill Hicks. Damn I wish he was still around so I could hear his commentary on these matters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igvJ1Mew6Go&NR=1
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With all of the whining and complaining, I still just cannot feel the need to reconsider when all I have to do is just remember what our choices were. There is some solemn solace to be had every time I see John McCain ALIVE, and on tv! and not dead and buried how I figured he would end up just past the end of his campaign.
Remarkable! the man must use pure hate as his battery to just keep on living.
You know.. I cannot argue with this. The Republicans had a much better candidate in Mitt Romney but the bureaucracy within the party chose McCain and all but gave the election away. I liked Romney but i guess he now figures his loss was due to him not being far right enough so he's bought into that Neo Conservative rhetoric.
For me it was Sarah Palin that clinched my decision, an obvious and severe roadblock. Noway...no....fucking....way, and my fear that McCain looked as if he could clutch his chest, keel over and die at any given moment. And the heavy-handed, tactless way he whipped her out like a wild-card.
"Well you democrats have this fresh-faced inexperienced black guy as your front runner, so I raise you an inexperienced breeding christian young white woman"
Fuck you McCain
Fuck you.......
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What really was bad was that McCain campaigned saying that Obama was too inexperienced for the job. And then he brought in Palin - even less experienced. He shot himself in the foot.
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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcp...r-debates_news
found this video very interesting, ron paul was on fox news with judge napaletano(however it's spelled) just watched the clip and he is drafting a 1 page bill so it's clear and understandable on healthcare. i'll see if i can get a link.
another interesting video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBO...layer_embedded
and the story
Here’s one – during an August 2009 demonstration in Mehville, Missouri, Obamacare opponents were locked out of a town hall meeting before Union thugs viciously attacked patriot and Tea Party activist Kenneth Gladney, who was handing out Gadsen flags outside the stage-managed event, while hurling racist insults.
“Kenneth was attacked on the evening of August 6, 2009 at Rep. Russ Carnahan’s town hall meeting in South St. Louis County,” wrote Gladney’s attorney, David B. Brown, in an email sent to Infowars. “Kenneth was approached by an SEIU representative as Kenneth was handing out ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ flags to other conservatives. The SEIU representative demanded to know why a black man was handing out these flags. The SEIU member used a racial slur against Kenneth, then punched him in the face. Kenneth fell to the ground. Another SEIU member yelled racial epithets at Kenneth as he kicked him in the head and back. Kenneth was also brutally attacked by one other male SEIU member and an unidentified woman. The three men were clearly SEIU members, as they were wearing T-shirts with the SEIU logo.”
Brown characterized the attack on Gladney, who was hospitalized with multiple injuries, as “a truly senseless hate crime,” but you wouldn’t have heard anything about it on MSNBC the next day, because it wasn’t carried out by Tea Party members, it was an attack by pro-Obamacare thugs furious at people for using their free speech to express opinions which differed to their own.
WHO is the SEIU you ask, well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service...national_Union seems there are many twists and turns in our country now.
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Is that story all you have to justify the hate-mongering notoriously perpetrated by these "tea-baggers"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXBO...layer_embedded
Obviously there are men above him with union shirts pushing him around and yelling at him but I don't see the "savage beating" as portrayed by many articles in the conservative press and blogosphere. The Hill erroneously reported that Gladney had been "hospitalized" after being "attacked." As you can see from the video, Gladney was not "hospitalized." but rushed away by ambulance instead, as the Post-Dispatch correctly reported, Gladney "said he sought hospital treatment." but he obviously did not need it.
It is a crime none the less but he just got scuffed up a bit, everything else is an exaggeration. The story probably was not widely picked up by other media sources exactly for that reason. Not because of any right-wing, Alex Jones, media conspiracy theory.
"in an email sent to Infowars" instantly marks it as questionable.
Is it just me or does the tea-party movement look like a civil rights protest staged by white people? Maybe I will be the only one that will laugh at the irony when they start getting sprayed with water hoses.
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Anyone notice how after the public option was removed, the health insurance company commercials stopped?
Coincidence?
Also, Street maybe its because I don't know you or because there is no tone in typed words but you, to me, sound prejudice or just so set on your ways that its an attack nonstop. Look, if you can't handle a debate, don't partake in one. "Is that the best story you have to justify..blah blah"
Go join the people doing the beating then man, the point is that it happened any no one made a big deal about it. If it was someone bashing a Pro-Obama supporter like that you would have, and you know it. This shit should have never reached the point of violence but thats what happens when you take shit from people and give it to someone who doesn't have to work. They live off welfare, they live off foodstamps, and now they get free healthcare. I don't see how in any way thats fair for anyone.
How about in school. When you had to do a project with a group, did you have one kid who didn't want to do anything, didn't do his part to contribute and other people had to do his part? Did you want him to get a grade for what you earned? Fuck no, he didn't do anything he didn't EARN IT.
Get these lazy fucks off their ass and go EARN SOMETHING.
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a good example of no media coverage is last year after obama got in office there was a family beat up by 50 or so black people who basically were were saying we own you because of obama, this happened in ohio, never made the news, nothing, found it online so there is alot of media bias these days.
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I got beat up by about 15 black people in 1992 after the Rodney King police acquittal was announced the night before, I was in the 7th grade and the school contacted all of the white student's parent's and told them to pick up their children because they have no chance of containing the violence. I was beaten with a gym lock curled up in a fist and used as brass knuckles. My face looked like I was run over by a car, it was the same day the riots broke out in L.A. and I was not the only one, I was just the first of about 20 throughout the day to get their asses whipped up and down those middle school hallways.
This was Miller Grove Jr. High by the way if anyone is curious
They actually sent only the white children home right here in Stone Mountain (although in my school there were only about 50 of us with a school population of about 1500) and I didn't get my news story either. I even had a private hearing at the DeKalb County School Board in an attempt for me to try to identify my attackers. I didn't recognize any of them (not because all black people look the same LOL!) but because I was knocked out and I only remembered waking up in some other room.
I barely even had any conception of "race" until after that day
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it's called media bias, it happens all the time sadly. example i was in a car accident a few years ago and now have a pinched nerve in my neck and several spots in my back. i have lost all forms f insurance and even a couple of jobs from it and it one of the jobs there was a racial slur said that sped up the firing process. i cannot get help, insurance, an attorney touch the company even though it's all recorded since it's a call center and even when we were not on the phone we were recorded and the manager quit a week later. i have tried temp medicaid to be denied and the non english speaking person behind me gets every benefit at age 18 really pissed me of. so what am i going to do about the new fines now, i guess i'll go to jail when the IRS shows up. i don't complain much but i am tired of my neck/head/back hurting 24/7. hell my girls suffer the most because some days i'm pretty useless from it. this is a situation i have not seen any insight into on healthcare reform.
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That really fucking sucks...and I really am not picking on you and it sounds like your having a hard time right now. But that post was kind of hard for me to read, it seems kind of fragmented and confusing.
But from the gist I got, won't you be able to get medical insurance soon since according to the new law they cannot say no "due to a pre-existing" condition? And I am not exactly sure on the details but there is noway congress will not include some kind of "stop-loss" plan for those that are unemployed to still be covered under some kind of insurance.
I am still unclear of their plans for the unemployed myself under the new law
(edit) an article from newsweek explaining it, and it seems people in your situation is what it is designed for!
http://www.newsweek.com/id/235296?tid=relatedcl
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I ate a bunch of indian food last night and it feels like I am pissing battery acid out of mah butt, my sphincter is all swollen up like a horny baboons ass.
just thought you might want to know. But who do you think I am prejudice against?, just to satisfy my curiousity
I edited my previous post, it seems that article addresses some of your issues. I really have no idea what Obama's health insurance is. But it would not shock me if presidents have their own private hospital under the white house.
Could you show me the information where it says the government is not going to use it? I would just like to read it for myself.
…page 158 of the bill defines “congressional staff” narrowly, as “employees employed by the official office of a member of congress, whether in the district office or in Washington.”
it's gonna be somewhere there. only the high members of congress, the people that help them write the bills, etc are excluded, all other federal workers will be like us though. i found it on one of alex jones sites which have some interesting facts but you cannot follow every word he says for sure but usually all of these folks are excluded. i will also say that i cannot afford a health insurance premium at all right now, not until i see a new Dr next month to get my meds adjusted "damn abusers of the system have screwed me" watch the oxycontin express to see why i get more and more frustrated at this. then maybe someone will hire me shortly who knows but this sucks!!!
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This bill is designed to help people just like you, and every single unemployed american that lacks health insurance. Your real name might as well be included in the language. YOU are going to benefit from this. I don't have any health problems right now and I have a good full-time job with benefits and a household income that certainly throws me into a higher tax-paying bracket so with your logic shouldn't "I" be complaining about your useless ass mooching off of the system?
NO...not at all
Instead I am excited for you, I am very pleased that people across this country in your similar situation will finally get the care they need and for their families, and all of the what...10.2% give or take a few percentage points of the unemployed.
I just really don't understand you tenacious right-wing republicans complaining and fighting something that will directly impact you and your families lives for the BETTER. And instead argue on the behalf of extremely well-funded individuals and massive corporations that really do not need your political support to begin with or give a fuck about the societal problems of the country they have chosen to do business in it's capitalist market, except on how much it may or may not affect their wallets.
I just don't get it. I really do not understand.
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first of all i am not a republican or democrat, secondly i hate my situation and want to work not sit on my ass and everyone pay for me, hell no i don't want to be like the folks i used to give loans to at world finance period. i have found nowhere in the bill that i wont have to pay for insurance if i cannot afford it and that worries me. if they fine me etc is what i'm getting at. hopefully in the next 2 weeks i will have some wrinkles worked out and when that happens i will desperately try to find employment, though i can't have a physically demanding job there are some out there i can do and do well. over the last 5 years i have figured out what helps me and hurts me which is more than i can say for the Dr's and if i can get a few things adjusted them i will be fine, sometimes uncomfortable but will be able to work. i promised myself i would never mooch the system like others i have seen and worked with but for the short term i can use a little help.
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What happened to people taking initiative ? Personal Responsibility? There are truly people that do need help i agree. But you cant FORCE people to help the less fortunate who are unwilling to help themselves.
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I am not against your reasoning Vteckidd, actually it sounds pretty solid to me, but then again my perspective on "health insurance" is limited at best, and I don't seem to have any means to get a formal education on the matter, and I am not exactly sure if "the internet" counts. But please excuse my lack of data on the posts I make because "politics" is not really a hobby of mine, and I seem to be more comfortable basing my "opinions" off my own experiences. I almost feel like we could begin copying and pasting numbers that back up our opinions all day...but how fucking boring would that would be. I sure as hell am not going to read it much less have a conversation about it unless there are some pussies and titties involved and the potential of my penis going in and out of them.
And maybe I have not read through this forum enough, but I do not see hardly ANY posts actually hailing this as a democratic victory (which by any definition of the word it is) instead of a liberal onslaught heralding the beginning of the apocalypse.
This non-fox news or msnbc video I understand seems to be nailing your gripes. but the polls seem to say 63% of americans (not VtecKidds or Streethazards or IA's polls) want universal heathcare. but vary up and down depending upon political affiliations and cost. That means almost 2/3 of the population does not think the current healthcare system works for them, and I just so happen to agree with them. I am happy that all of the unemployed people and their families can finally get the care they need, and I am also open-minded to the possibility of social and societal reform.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...ag=mncol;lst;1
Forced or not, it is certainly an improvement for many millions of people that simply had no option before.
Ill readily admit my knowledge on these matters is limited, but I cannot help but feel that any opinion I put forth here will immediately be nullified by a cacophony of strictly GOP sponsored rebuttals. I am not sure how much of a "debate" this forum really is, then just a circle jerk of like-minded individuals.
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As laid out by us NON RIGHT WINGERS there is no evidence this will help ANYONE.
Since when did it become a crime to be rich? I want to be rich i dont know about you. SInce when did these rich people get this stigma of not caring about the less fortunate? You know most small businesses ALREADY provided healthcare for their employees right?And instead argue on the behalf of extremely well-funded individuals and massive corporations that really do not need your political support to begin with or give a fuck about the societal problems of the country they have chosen to do business in it's capitalist market, except on how much it may or may not affect their wallets.
I just don't get it. I really do not understand.
AndAccording to the United States Census Bureau, approximately 85% of Americans have health insurance; nearly 60% obtain it through an employer, while about 9% purchase it directly.[2] Various government agencies provide coverage to about 28% of Americans (there is some overlap in these figures).
AndThe employer typically makes a substantial contribution towards the cost of coverage.[28] Typically, employers pay about 85% of the insurance premium for their employees, and about 75% of the premium for their employees' dependents. The employee pays the remaining fraction of the premium, usually with pre-tax/tax-exempt earnings. These percentages have been stable since 1999.[29] Health benefits provided by employers are also tax-favored: Employee contributions can be made on a pre-tax basis if the employer offers the benefits through a section 125 cafeteria plan.
So the other 5% that didnt offer health insurance is going to have to pay $2000 per employee under this bill. Under this bill, excuse me, law, they will lose all the subsidies and tax credits that Bush offered to them for keeping their insurance or benefits for their retirees under their union plans.In 2008, over 95% of employers with at least 50 employees offered health insurance.
So i dont buy this "evil rich mean white men dont care about the poor" bullshit. Its LEFT wing propaghanda, and whats funny is the people criticizing are usually MILLIONAIRES themselves in the Dem party.
Lets look at just what these evil insurance companies make shall we:
Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a modest 3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by Morningstar. That ranks 87th out of 215 industries and slightly above the median of 2.2 percent. By this measure, the most profitable industry over the past year has been beverages, with a 25.9 percent profit margin. Right behind that were healthcare real-estate trusts (firms that are basically the landlords for hospitals and healthcare facilities) and application-software (think Windows). The worst performer was copper, with a profit margin of minus 56.6 percent.
If you're wondering about Exxon, with its history of gargantuan profits, its profit margin was 9 percent over the past 12 months, according to the research firm Capital IQ. The average for the oil and gas industry overall was 10.2 percent, three times the margin in the health insurance industry. And that's nothing compared with high-fliers like Google—which had a 20.6 percent margin—and Microsoft, at 24.9 percent.
Profit margins basically reflect the percentage of revenue left over after paying salaries, expenses, taxes and lots of other things. So it's possible for firms to pay their executives a lot and still have a low profit margin. That's why Merrill Lynch, as an example, was able to pay huge bonuses to some employees while the company itself lost epic amounts of money.So this claim that the insurance companies are out to gobble everyone up and are making tons of money is absolute HORSESHIT propagated by the left to do what they do best................victimize the people with more money than you.Among the large, for-profit health insurers, profit margins line up with the industry as a whole. UnitedHealthGroup, the biggest health insurer, had a 4.1 percent profit margin over the past 12 months. WellPoint, the next biggest, had a 4 percent profit margin. Aetna, Cigna, and Humana came in below that.
Health insurers turn out to be underperformers compared with the other parts of the healthcare sector. Pharmaceutical companies have a profit margin of 16.4 percent—seventh highest of the 215 industries that Morningstar tracks. Others segments of healthcare with margins well above the median include healthcare information (9.4 percent), home healthcare firms (8.5 percent), medical labs (8.2 percent), and generic drugmakers (6.5 percent).
Anyone that has run a business and i mean REALLY run a business, knows that this means. Unfortunately not everyone has that luxury. Just remember that these rich people are the ones that are employing you.
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How will higher insurance premiums, higher taxes, lower quality of care, more govt intrusion, and less access to health care benefit me for the better?
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