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    There is this misnomer that healthcare will be free for everyone under this plan when that is not true. People like myself will still pay premiums but not like $300 a month type premiums, and it is tiered so lower incomes have more affordable coverage but everyone covered is paying into the system somehow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    There is this misnomer that healthcare will be free for everyone under this plan when that is not true. People like myself will still pay premiums but not like $300 a month type premiums, and it is tiered so lower incomes have more affordable coverage but everyone covered is paying into the system somehow.
    Isn't that how it is now? If you pay for it you get it? Superficially it seems like the only difference is the choice of whether or not you want to do it. You might just HAVE to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    There is this misnomer that healthcare will be free for everyone under this plan when that is not true. People like myself will still pay premiums but not like $300 a month type premiums, and it is tiered so lower incomes have more affordable coverage but everyone covered is paying into the system somehow.
    Obama Line 1
    "If you like your coverage you can keep it"

    That is an OUTRIGHT LIE. If you think for 1 second, that you can keep your existing health coverage under his plan please read up on what is going through congress RIGHT NOW. Here is how simple economics work, SUPPLY, DEMAND. Lets keep it simple shall we:

    Lets assume his plan is going to cost you $50 per month. Your CURRENT Employers insurance costs $100 per month. On top of that like he said last night, he wants to TAX YOUR EMPLOYER AKA anyone making over $280,000 a year a surcharge to pay for the extra 1/3 cost of Healthcare he doesnt have in his budget.

    Think about that. WHo do you think EMPLOYS YOU? The people making $280,000+. they are the bulk of Small Business. They are getting hit the hardest right now.

    So do you really think your EMPLOYER who has these 2 Options A) Pay $50 for health care or half of what you are offering now or B) keep offering twice as expensive healthcare AND add a tax to that price.

    HELL NO HE IS GOING TO GO WITH THE CHEAPER OPTION. Which means your coverage WILL CHANGE. It will change to the Government option.

    He has no choice BUT to ration care. The only way you cut costs in Medical care is
    A) DENY TESTS/CARE
    B) CUT WAGES IE DRIVE DOCTORS AND NURSES OUT
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    Quote Originally Posted by tony
    There is this misnomer that healthcare will be free for everyone under this plan when that is not true. People like myself will still pay premiums but not like $300 a month type premiums, and it is tiered so lower incomes have more affordable coverage but everyone covered is paying into the system somehow.

    And so is everyone NOT covered by the system. If you chose not to have coverage, you are fined $2500 a year. If an employer choses to stay with private insurance, he is fined for that also. Sounds to me like just another hidden tax, just like cap and trade is.

    If you decide you want to change to liability only on your car, do you think your insurance company should be able to fine you $2500 a year for not having more coverage?

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