Originally Posted by Steveo
sounds like a plan to me...otherwise, we spend more money for them to sit and get 3 hots and a cot...fuck that...eye for an eye and this world would be better off
lol,same thing i said
Bush
Sadam
sounds like a plan to me...otherwise, we spend more money for them to sit and get 3 hots and a cot...fuck that...eye for an eye and this world would be better off
lol,same thing i said
An Eye For An Eye Makes The Whole World Blind. Ghandi FTWsounds like a plan to me...otherwise, we spend more money for them to sit and get 3 hots and a cot...fuck that...eye for an eye and this world would be better off
My logic stands just fine. Re-read.
Were we? What about the attack on Kuwait? What about ignoring the sactions by the UN? You may want to think about that statement a little more.
Well, we should not have stopped short of getting Saddam back in the early '90's. I have always thought that to be a BIG mistake. Had we continued until he was gone, there are a lot of things that would have been better.
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
agreed, 100%. but going back in before afghanistan was taken care of was a HUGE fucking mistake. one that we're still paying for now and the ppl of iraq and afghanistan are also paying for.
You have absolutely no clue about this and it seems many other subjects.
Since when does HUNDREDS of THOSANDS of people that Saddam has killed compare to the 3300 or so U.S. casualties??? Obviously our public school math programs need a lot of work if that's your logic.
Saddam has been clawing his way up the ranks since he nothing but a worthless street thug in the 50's and 60's. Do you even know that he murdered THOUSANDS of people? Do you not know that he was tried, convicted, and sentenced to death for only 148 of those? Do you even know that he TAUGHT his sons the acts of torture, rape, and murder when they were pre-teens?
You sir are a very misinformed and immature youth that needs to learn how to think for yourself and do your own research. Here, I'll help you get started: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
Read a little bit of that. Read a lot more that is out there. Quit listening to whatever misinformed people you are listening to because they have no clue what reality is as neither do you.
also Bush hates black people......................LOL
sadam has killed over 500k people........i doubt the iraq toll is any way round that
more like 300k, but thats still bad too.
Do ya think?!
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Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
props to him for helping keep world population in check?
their has been 3k US deaths in the war
I found atlanta 521's mug shot
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I wouldn't necessarily call Bush a hero but a Villain? I'm sure it depends on who you ask, I wish he was as adamant about dealing with domestic issues than pushing democracy across the world. The irony of it is that the U.S itself is not a true democracy.
Saddam.. this will piss some of you off but I do not think he was a direct threat to the U.S and there are a lot of politics in what happened to him. Should he have suffered for what he did? Yes.. but I'm not 100% on whether it was our responsibility.
Although i disagree with you, atleast you presented it in a respectable manner
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I completely agree with you Tony and you know that rarely happens. Sadam should have suffered without a doubt, but that wasnt our problem to solve, the U.N. should have dealt with that.
The UN would still be trying to figure out what to do.
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
That's better than where we're at now. It's not like Sadam was going to start slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and launching nuclear missles.The UN would still be trying to figure out what to do.
*lets not forget the civilian causalties in Iraq..
You are still lost. Saddam is dead. That is better than him being alive and able to kill more people.
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
which is why we had to go do everythingThe UN would still be trying to figure out what to do.
Jaime with yet another excellent post
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A couple of things to remember when it comes to Iraq and Saddam:
The Reagan administration aided Iraq with $40 Billion during the Iran-Iraq conflict. Iran could have taken care of this supposed problem before Desert Storm, strange that we now see Iran as a threat.
People like to think George Sr. and George W. are similar but when it came to the conflict in Iraq they could not be any more different. During Desert Storm we went in working multilaterally with other countries, the objective was to keep Iraq out of Kuwait.. not go after Saddam so those who complain about not getting the job done the first time, blame Sr for not going out on a limb.
nothing new there, just like how the US used to give funds and equipment to afghan "freedom fighters" when they were combating the russians...
I stated that because everyone wants to point fingers but nobody wants to take responsibility. Saddam wouldn't have been as powerful if it wasn't for the U.S so yeah he may be a villain but in a lot of ways we empowered that villain.
Heres the thing, just as we didnt expect guerilla warfare in vietnam we are dealing with an enemy that doesn't care about humanity and they don't fight face to face. These people will lay dormant for years till America becomes comfortable again and all is good and then strike again. Domestic security should be the major issue, when a man with a life threatening disease is black listed and STILL makes it back into the country.. we have a greater problem than getting Iraq to adopt democracy.
A couple of other things to remember too:
Who were the U.S. supposed to help? The country that had just kidnapped it's citizens and has been overthrown by radical Muslims or the country fighting against that??? It's a very logical answer. Would you of rather fight one weakened country 20 yrs later or 2 strong united countries then? It would have been WWIII.
The reason why Sr. had the backing of other countries in Gulf War I was because Iraq INVADED Kuwait. We beat their ass then. They surrendered. They signed a treaty which outlined specifically what they HAD to do. They didn't do it. 10 years later the U.N. was still playing pacifist about it. 10 damn years later. Not 1, not 5, 10 damn years to comply and STILL didn't. The U.N. is to blame for Iraq more than anyone else. Had THEY done what they are there TO do, this wouldn't be a unilateral fight.....it would be called Gulf War II. But as it is, the U.S. was the only one that was willing to go out on that preverbial limb and do what SHOULD have been done long ago.
Rules and laws have to have teeth or they are not worth the paper they're printed on. U.N. sanctions have no teeth. This is why countries like Iraq, Iran, N.Korea, China, and Russia wipe their asses with "U.N. sanctions". Hell, I would too if I were them. What consequences do they get? Worse interest on loans from world banks, no aid for a little bit, no voice in the U.N., maybe a bigwould really hurt their feelings????
The U.N. is a joke, period. They do nothing but grand stand and talk out of both sides of their mouth. They are like a chihuahua with no teeth. They can bark all damn day long, but at the end of the day nobody is really scared of them.
A couple of other things to remember too:
Who were the U.S. supposed to help? The country that had just kidnapped it's citizens and has been overthrown by radical Muslims or the country fighting against that??? It's a very logical answer. Would you of rather fight one weakened country 20 yrs later or 2 strong united countries then? It would have been WWIII.
The reason why Sr. had the backing of other countries in Gulf War I was because Iraq INVADED Kuwait. We beat their ass then. They surrendered. They signed a treaty which outlined specifically what they HAD to do. They didn't do it. 10 years later the U.N. was still playing pacifist about it. 10 damn years later. Not 1, not 5, 10 damn years to comply and STILL didn't. The U.N. is to blame for Iraq more than anyone else. Had THEY done what they are there TO do, this wouldn't be a unilateral fight.....it would be called Gulf War II. But as it is, the U.S. was the only one that was willing to go out on that preverbial limb and do what SHOULD have been done long ago.
Rules and laws have to have teeth or they are not worth the paper they're printed on. U.N. sanctions have no teeth. This is why countries like Iraq, Iran, N.Korea, China, and Russia wipe their asses with "U.N. sanctions". Hell, I would too if I were them. What consequences do they get? Worse interest on loans from world banks, no aid for a little bit, no voice in the U.N., maybe a big
i really wish we wernt with them,but we might need thier help one day
Yes that is true, but if the U.N. doesnt step their ass up something needs to be done with them. Because we dont need to fight others battles because it can cause us problems in the long run.A couple of other things to remember too:
Who were the U.S. supposed to help? The country that had just kidnapped it's citizens and has been overthrown by radical Muslims or the country fighting against that??? It's a very logical answer. Would you of rather fight one weakened country 20 yrs later or 2 strong united countries then? It would have been WWIII.
The reason why Sr. had the backing of other countries in Gulf War I was because Iraq INVADED Kuwait. We beat their ass then. They surrendered. They signed a treaty which outlined specifically what they HAD to do. They didn't do it. 10 years later the U.N. was still playing pacifist about it. 10 damn years later. Not 1, not 5, 10 damn years to comply and STILL didn't. The U.N. is to blame for Iraq more than anyone else. Had THEY done what they are there TO do, this wouldn't be a unilateral fight.....it would be called Gulf War II. But as it is, the U.S. was the only one that was willing to go out on that preverbial limb and do what SHOULD have been done long ago.
Rules and laws have to have teeth or they are not worth the paper they're printed on. U.N. sanctions have no teeth. This is why countries like Iraq, Iran, N.Korea, China, and Russia wipe their asses with "U.N. sanctions". Hell, I would too if I were them. What consequences do they get? Worse interest on loans from world banks, no aid for a little bit, no voice in the U.N., maybe a big
But we still ended up with a dictator that killed thousands, so was it really the right choice? On the other hand recently Iran has stuck its hand out to the U.S and we slapped it, Iran aided the U.S after 9/11 in the search for Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Iran wants to be a superpower like the U.S (which explains their interest in Nuclear Weapons) but contrary to what the media portrays they do not hate us. I know that hindsight is 20/20 but I don't think Saddam really needed billions of dollars in aid from us.
Which is one of my issues, if the U.S is going to act unilaterally then why adhere to the Geneva Convention? Why care how prisoners are being treated? It goes back to domestic policy, nothing to do with Iraq. If you're going to do it half assed then why do it at all...The reason why Sr. had the backing of other countries in Gulf War I was because Iraq INVADED Kuwait. We beat their ass then. They surrendered. They signed a treaty which outlined specifically what they HAD to do. They didn't do it. 10 years later the U.N. was still playing pacifist about it. 10 damn years later. Not 1, not 5, 10 damn years to comply and STILL didn't. The U.N. is to blame for Iraq more than anyone else. Had THEY done what they are there TO do, this wouldn't be a unilateral fight.....it would be called Gulf War II. But as it is, the U.S. was the only one that was willing to go out on that preverbial limb and do what SHOULD have been done long ago.
I can't say where I stand, democrats want to pull funding which is asinine. Conservatives want to "stay the course" but that is obviously getting us nowhere.. this next election is so serious that words cannot begin to express it, I just hope we elect the right one.
yep,we shouldnt havent cut and ran in desert storm
The middle east has always been a big pile of shit. Had we left it alone we wouldn't be sitting in shit now would we? Maybe they'd flick some shit at us from afar but a bit of shit is better than a lot of shit.
and gas would be $10 a gallon
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That's when I say fuck wild life and drill Alaska and make peace with Venezuela. God knows Latin America needs the $ more than the middle east.
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
You are a moron of infinite proportions.
Exactly how "far" is NY? Where did the 9/11 terrorists COME FROM, genius? Middle East, right? So how can you even remotely say that they would only "flick shit from AFAR" when they came HERE to kill THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE?
You are a true blue Democrat. You would have us pacify and sit on our hands while they plot to come over, yet again, and kill thousands more all in the name of "world peace".....
The U.N. sat and did nothing, the rest of the world sat and did nothing, what RESULTS did that net us? NOTHING. He did what he damn well pleased and told every damn person he could that's EXACTLY what he was doing. That's part of why Saddam was so popular to Arabs was BECAUSE he "stood up" to the big bad Westerners. So just like any other ego maniac, he played right into that by proclaiming his own intentions and turning them around to be a "Holy war" against the West who is trying to take away our religion and peaceful way of being......
You have no clue what you are talking about. Go back and read the link I gave you in my last post, maybe you'll learn something finally.
Just a second now... Exactly what are you advocating here?You are a moron of infinite proportions.
Exactly how "far" is NY? Where did the 9/11 terrorists COME FROM, genius? Middle East, right? So how can you even remotely say that they would only "flick shit from AFAR" when they came HERE to kill THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE?
You are a true blue Democrat. You would have us pacify and sit on our hands while they plot to come over, yet again, and kill thousands more all in the name of "world peace".....
The U.N. sat and did nothing, the rest of the world sat and did nothing, what RESULTS did that net us? NOTHING. He did what he damn well pleased and told every damn person he could that's EXACTLY what he was doing. That's part of why Saddam was so popular to Arabs was BECAUSE he "stood up" to the big bad Westerners. So just like any other ego maniac, he played right into that by proclaiming his own intentions and turning them around to be a "Holy war" against the West who is trying to take away our religion and peaceful way of being......
You have no clue what you are talking about. Go back and read the link I gave you in my last post, maybe you'll learn something finally.
Have you ever wondered "what if" we talked and reasoned with these terrorist and fond out what the fuck they want. I'm pretty sure with the whole world watching they wouldn't say "we want America to die, dissapear, etc.. but then again who negotiates with terrorists? That's where we fuck up, what the hell do they want? Do they really just want to blow the U.S. to bits and peices? I don't think they'd say the same shit if we were to negotiate with them.
do u not understand when u have a holy war,their is no way out but death
How about we negotiate to end this holy war so that death isn't the only way out.....
We'll give them their 72 virgins, a mosque, a Saab, budlight, and call it a day.
You are surely the dumbest person I have ever seen.
What do the terrorists want? The want the americans dead! Is that clear enough?
How do you negotiate or reason with someone who is declaring a "holy war" against the western people, and telling his own people that we want to take their religion? How to you reason with someone who is so "into" the cause that they will commit suicide just to kill americans?
I vote that you go over there and try to "negotiate" with the terrorists. I am curious how far you get.
Rich...Bob...Stan...?????
lol,
You are surely the dumbest person I have ever seen.
What do the terrorists want? The want the americans dead! Is that clear enough?
How do you negotiate or reason with someone who is declaring a "holy war" against the western people, and telling his own people that we want to take their religion? How to you reason with someone who is so "into" the cause that they will commit suicide just to kill americans?
I vote that you go over there and try to "negotiate" with the terrorists. I am curious how far you get.
Hey, im from America...BOOM! dead,lol
That's perfect. My thoughts exactly Rich.
If you don't get it by now, you never will.
You are a total idiot. You really are.Have you ever wondered "what if" we talked and reasoned with these terrorist and fond out what the fuck they want.
So if a burglar knocks on your door, YOU would rather reason with them and try to talk them out of YOUR hard earned property he is trying to STEAL because why.....you're an idiot????
Let me shoot your little dumbass theory right in the head with just one simple question: In your never never land ranch of a mind, just exactly WHO would you sit down at the table from the "terrorists" side?
You are even more an idiot. They say that NOW to anyone, including TV and the world, that is EXACTLY what they want. Are you really serious? Do you honestly live under a rock somewhere? What exactly do you think burning American flags and beheading American citizens on TV and dragging their bodies thru the streets leads YOU to believe they have ANY problems telling ANYBODY they want to kill ALL of us, including you. Where have you been in the last century???? You're a big fool if you honestly think the crap that is coming out of your mouth.I'm pretty sure with the whole world watching they wouldn't say "we want America to die, dissapear, etc..
Wow, now the other thread makes absolute sense. There really ARE people that are this stupid still left in the world.
Pansy Democrats like you.but then again who negotiates with terrorists?
You're an idiot if you really believe that load of shit that took did a 180 and came out the wrong hole.......That's where we fuck up, what the hell do they want? Do they really just want to blow the U.S. to bits and peices? I don't think they'd say the same shit if we were to negotiate with them.
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