ok evry 1 quit your bitchin on my thread lol idfk...n e way i love the d series and it is undereatimated i mean hell i beat gsr in 1/4 with d series but i just tring the shock and aahhh for when i show them i beat them with a d series but hey i just settin my goal for now as a low 14,thanx for all the advise evry 1 .