it's been said before.....but I can't help it. HID's.

[alpine_aw11]

I just want someone to explain why it's ok for someone to have HID's that put people who do real work on their cars in danger. I literally almost totalled my car that night, it wasn't like oh no I can't see for half a second! It doesn't matter how you aim them in your stock halogen housings, it's going to light the fucking trees up more than the road. When some jackass ricer almost sends you off the road, you will understand.


I would like to thank all the idiots that got so butthurt for making me laugh.

[TicketRedBB6]

Were they high beam HIDs or something? I've had all kinds of vehicles drive pass me and behind me with HIDs. Yeah, it's normally annoying, but never even been close to me almost totalling my car over. It really sucks when its a lifted truck with HID fogs and lights, right at your eye level if you're in a car. But still, I wasnt about to wreck or risk my life, getting a ticket, or jail time just to throw change at them either.

[antiv6]

Hids dont really bother me, i dont think its the brightness that blinds people but the blue color makes you kind of stare at the light since its different, then it hurts your eyes since your focusing on it. Trucks in general are annoying if they are behind you and you don't have window tint.

[cwhiteboy]

Man, i'm with you 100%. At least once a week on my ride home from Marrietta, some A-hole has some improperly installed HID's in there car. They are an extreme road hazard, and they fucking know it! There is no way they can't! And you're right, most hondas are pieces of shit. People on here are taking what your saying the complete wrong way, and personally. But then again, it is an internet forum.

[alpine_aw11]

Man, i'm with you 100%. At least once a week on my ride home from Marrietta, some A-hole has some improperly installed HID's in there car. They are an extreme road hazard, and they fucking know it! There is no way they can't! And you're right, most hondas are pieces of shit. People on here are taking what your saying the complete wrong way, and personally. But then again, it is an internet forum.

Oh.My.God.

Honda owners, take notes. Thank you sir.

[tnomud]

Let me explain this as quickly and easily as possible, since I know the topic well. You entire headlight is designed to have a filiment on a bulb in a very specific location. If it is even .1mm off, you beam can be off by 10 feet down the road, or you can loose up to 50% of you usable light.

Now, an HID capsule has no filiment, it has a bubble with halides and salts in it. This bubble is about 8 times the volume/reality of the filiment it is replacing. If the light is designed for halogen, and you used an HID capsule in its place, you are completely ruining the optics of the light. It might appear brigher looking at it, and might appear brighter against your garage door, but 200 ft down the road you have about half the output of your halogen bulb.

Now, headlights designed to be HID are a whole different story. Also, those re-based capsules are running 25K volts through an unshielded cable. This is a fire hazard and an RF nightmare.

[oneSLOWex]

Let me explain this as quickly and easily as possible, since I know the topic well. You entire headlight is designed to have a filiment on a bulb in a very specific location. If it is even .1mm off, you beam can be off by 10 feet down the road, or you can loose up to 50% of you usable light.

Now, an HID capsule has no filiment, it has a bubble with halides and salts in it. This bubble is about 8 times the volume/reality of the filiment it is replacing. If the light is designed for halogen, and you used an HID capsule in its place, you are completely ruining the optics of the light. It might appear brigher looking at it, and might appear brighter against your garage door, but 200 ft down the road you have about half the output of your halogen bulb.

So what you are saying is that you cant see as good with HIDs in headlights designed with halogen bulbs as you can with the halogen bulbs? If so, its completely false. I dont have one of those "blue" HID kits, mine are I believe 5000k so the light is almost white. I had the same HID in my car for almost 3 years until I hit this gigantic puddle the wrong way and somehow water got into the ballast...and well you can guess what happened. I had to put halogen bulbs in for about a week till I could afford a new kit. Driving the exact same roads at night as I did with the HID kit I felt like I was blind. Couldn't see near as well as I could with the HIDs whether it was raining or clear skies. I see that you are in this line of work and all...but have you ever owned an HID kit or driven a car that had a decent temp bulb? Hell I have even had the same year civic sitting side by side with mine at night on a completely dark street and the other cars lights may as well have been off.

[Elbow]

If you blind me, I drive towards you. I won't be the one crashing, if I DO crash it's because I hit you head on. I'm not exaggerating either.

[-EnVus-]

There are new cars out now with oem lights that are just as blinding. Hid or not.

If you blind me, I drive towards you. I won't be the one crashing, if I DO crash it's because I hit you head on. I'm not exaggerating either.

Dont challenge another car in head to head collision with the mr2 you will lose simon

[Elbow]

Dont challenge another car in head to head collision with the mr2 you will lose simon

No I won't they will ramp over me.

I don't care, if I destroy their car I'm happy I've never cared about wrecking mine. lol

[-EnVus-]

No I won't they will ramp over me.

I don't care, if I destroy their car I'm happy I've never cared about wrecking mine. lol

To bad destruction derby isnt a career path lol

[9ussy]

Focus on the road and don't stare directly into the cars headlights. Keeps you from totaling your car!

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[tdurr]

I just want someone to explain why it's ok for someone to have HID's that put people who do real work on their cars in danger. I literally almost totalled my car that night, it wasn't like oh no I can't see for half a second! It doesn't matter how you aim them in your stock halogen housings, it's going to light the fucking trees up more than the road. When some jackass ricer almost sends you off the road, you will understand.


I would like to thank all the idiots that got so butthurt for making me laugh.

fyi ur the butthurt one who came on IA ranted/bitched bout not being able to focus on the road for half a fucking second. Close ur eyes next time u see some HID's instead of looking into them that way you wont wreck because of the HIDs.

Were they high beam HIDs or something? I've had all kinds of vehicles drive pass me and behind me with HIDs. Yeah, it's normally annoying, but never even been close to me almost totalling my car over. It really sucks when its a lifted truck with HID fogs and lights, right at your eye level if you're in a car. But still, I wasnt about to wreck or risk my life, getting a ticket, or jail time just to throw change at them either.

reps. I have hid's in a E-code housing, I admit it does scatter a lot of light up and to the side but i can stand from 2ft-200ft in front of my car look at the windshield and not be blinded by the light at all. cresting a hill like the op said(i really forget) you will at some fucking point go across the others cars directed head light path regardless if they are HID's or not. Its fucking physics. Light travels in a straight fucking line, it doesn't curve so it could've been kid with a L.E.D flashlight cresting the hill at the same time, at some point both of yall are going to cross the path of each others lights.

Let me explain this as quickly and easily as possible, since I know the topic well. You entire headlight is designed to have a filiment on a bulb in a very specific location. If it is even .1mm off, you beam can be off by 10 feet down the road, or you can loose up to 50% of you usable light.

Now, an HID capsule has no filiment, it has a bubble with halides and salts in it. This bubble is about 8 times the volume/reality of the filiment it is replacing. If the light is designed for halogen, and you used an HID capsule in its place, you are completely ruining the optics of the light. It might appear brigher looking at it, and might appear brighter against your garage door, but 200 ft down the road you have about half the output of your halogen bulb.

Now, headlights designed to be HID are a whole different story. Also, those re-based capsules are running 25K volts through an unshielded cable. This is a fire hazard and an RF nightmare.

its not a fire hazard by any means. You can get that bs outta here. You do make a good point, but keep your personal opinions out post that involve facts unless you state that "i think that..."
I personally have had 1 HID and halogen bulb in my car at the same time, i turned the lights on and wut do you know, my fucking HID sent a clear path of light down the road further the the Halogen bulb. It make it feel like i wasn't even using the halogen bulb. Do some trial's before you come and state what you "know" from reading online. In theory it would make the light output not correct but in practice it doesn't.

Focus on the road and don't stare directly into the cars headlights. Keeps you from totaling your car!

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haha. reps also.

im done posting in this dumb ass thread.

[tnomud]

fyi ur the butthurt one who came on IA ranted/bitched bout not being able to focus on the road for half a fucking second. Close ur eyes next time u see some HID's instead of looking into them that way you wont wreck because of the HIDs.



reps. I have hid's in a E-code housing, I admit it does scatter a lot of light up and to the side but i can stand from 2ft-200ft in front of my car look at the windshield and not be blinded by the light at all. cresting a hill like the op said(i really forget) you will at some fucking point go across the others cars directed head light path regardless if they are HID's or not. Its fucking physics. Light travels in a straight fucking line, it doesn't curve so it could've been kid with a L.E.D flashlight cresting the hill at the same time, at some point both of yall are going to cross the path of each others lights.


its not a fire hazard by any means. You can get that bs outta here. You do make a good point, but keep your personal opinions out post that involve facts unless you state that "i think that..."
I personally have had 1 HID and halogen bulb in my car at the same time, i turned the lights on and wut do you know, my fucking HID sent a clear path of light down the road further the the Halogen bulb. It make it feel like i wasn't even using the halogen bulb. Do some trial's before you come and state what you "know" from reading online. In theory it would make the light output not correct but in practice it doesn't.

haha. reps also.

im done posting in this dumb ass thread.

I am an automotive engineer. My job is designing headlights for cars, amongst other things. I am also one of the fine individuals who works with SEMA and NHTSA on lighting standards in this country. I can back all my statements with documents. I can also prove all of your statements false with equipment. I have beamsetting equipment and light measuring equipment available at any time. If you want to bring you HID kit down here, I will gladly teach you a few things about your illegal lighting.

So, before you go running your mouth about things you do not understand, do your homework. There are folks on this website that know more that what you have learned on Honda-Tech and ricer.com over the last 6 months.

[MeFryRice]

^^ Trust me when I say this but tnomud knows what he is talking about. I know who he works for and his line of work and I can assure you that he is VERY knowledgeable when it comes to lighting.

As he had already mentioned, a reflector housing is made to work with a certain length bulb. If you've put an HID capsule and a halogen bulb next to eachother, you will see that the HID capsule is longer. Once you stick an HID capsule inside a reflector housing made for a halogen bulb, the light coming from the bulb will not reflect off the reflectors properly therefore dispersing light unevenly giving off a glare.

I'd be more then happy to line your car up with a beam-setter to show you how much more even the light is being dispersed with a halogen bulb than your Chinese made HID kit.

[tnomud]

oneSLOWex: I am simply stating facts. I agree, they do appear brighter. If you take 2 identical headlights, lets say a 2000 Civic for example, and one with the stock bulb, one with an HID kit. The HID kit light will appear much brighter because its way more bright in close range. It has hot spots. But the light is absolutely everywhere. Further down the road, its WAY less light. You are fooled by what you see in the short range and by the color temperature.

Let me see if I have some charts that I can post without too much trouble....

[oneSLOWex]

BTW...what the funk kind of crap does the new prius have going on? I had one coming toward me the other night and that shit blinded me worse than HIDs. I assume they were not HIDs because they were a bit yellow looking but it was like a wall of light and I dont think they were on bright either.

[Elbow]

BTW...what the funk kind of crap does the new prius have going on? I had one coming toward me the other night and that shit blinded me worse than HIDs. I assume they were not HIDs because they were a bit yellow looking but it was like a wall of light and I dont think they were on bright either.

That's actually a new mandated warning system the DOT required Toyota to do to all their models, if the lights reflect bright high beam blue the throttle is stuck, they will look as you explained if the car is functioning properly. This was done to prevent other motorists from getting in the way of a runaway Prius or other model.

[oneSLOWex]

That's actually a new mandated warning system the DOT required Toyota to do to all their models, if the lights reflect bright high beam blue the throttle is stuck, they will look as you explained if the car is functioning properly. This was done to prevent other motorists from getting in the way of a runaway Prius or other model.

LOL wut

[MeFryRice]

The new Prius now has LED headlamps along with a couple models under the Lexus name brand. LED's is the next big thing in the automotive industry as they require less amp draw but has the capability of emitting the same amount of light as an HID. The life span of an LED is also longer as well.

[oneSLOWex]

The new Prius now has LED headlamps along with a couple models under the Lexus name brand.

They are about as bad as these stupid lifted trucks with HID headlights and fogs.

[MeFryRice]

Another thing we have to consider is most vehicles on the road have been in some sort of front collision and the body shops often times don't have a beam-setter to properly realign the headlights.

[cwhiteboy]

Another thing we have to consider is most vehicles on the road have been in some sort of front collision and the body shops often times don't have a beam-setter to properly realign the headlights.

This is the worst. But its hard to blame the driver for this one. Lifted trucks annoy me as well, not so much that they are glaring, its when they know their doing it and trying to act like some asshole on the highway and ride my ass simply because i'm in a modded honda or BMW. For some reason people in trucks have authority issues, and love to fuck with people in smaller cars; my wife got in a really scary accident because of some douchebag in a truck trying to act like a hardass.

[oneSLOWex]

This is the worst. But its hard to blame the driver for this one. Lifted trucks annoy me as well, not so much that they are glaring, its when they know their doing it and trying to act like some asshole on the highway and ride my ass simply because i'm in a modded honda or BMW. For some reason people in trucks have authority issues, and love to fuck with people in smaller cars; my wife got in a really scary accident because of some douchebag in a truck trying to act like a hardass.

Its a shame too because I like half the big ass trucks I see around...just hate the people driving them and they blue ass HIDs

[alpine_aw11]

LOL at whiny Honda drivers crying about their shitty HID's. And I cant drive? O rly? I didn't know I was staring into the headlights either, thanks for informing me. God damn you're all dumb as shit. All of you couldn't combine your intelligence to get a fucking GED if your life depended on it.

[oneSLOWex]

LOL at whiny Honda drivers crying about their shitty HID's. And I cant drive? O rly? I didn't know I was staring into the headlights either, thanks for informing me. God damn you're all dumb as shit. All of you couldn't combine your intelligence to get a fucking GED if your life depended on it.

Says the guy who throws change at cars with bright headlights. Thats WAY more intelligent than any Honda driver could handle.

[man]

Wow, OP is a whiny bitch. I hope mommy and daddy don't read this, you might get grounded...

[9ussy]

Wow, OP is a whiny bitch. I hope mommy and daddy don't read this, you might get grounded...

x2 Go cry to mommy and daddy right?

[Elbow]

x2 Go cry to mommy and daddy right?

Let me guess, you have these homeless people lights on your car?

[9ussy]

Its simple just dont stare in directly or in the direction of the headlights. Let off the gas and put two hands on the steering wheel if you cant handle your car on the road and then look at the road or the white line so you dont drive off the road with your DSM. Simple, easy, and common sense! Try it!

[Elbow]

Its simple just dont stare in directly or in the direction of the headlights. Let off the gas and put two hands on the steering wheel if you cant handle your car on the road and then look at the road or the white line so you dont drive off the road with your DSM. Simple, easy, and common sense! Try it!

Really? I hope you're fucking kidding.

[9ussy]

Really? I hope you're fucking kidding.

Nope, All you need to do is focus your eyes on the road or the white line and keep straight in your lane. I know the bright light will still somewhat be in your eyes but focusing on something else besides the headlights themselves will help. I'm just suggesting something he could do if this situation happens again.

[Elbow]

Nope, All you need to do is focus your eyes on the road or the white line and keep straight in your lane. I know the bright light will still somewhat be in your eyes but focusing on something else besides the headlights themselves will help. I'm just suggesting something he could do if this situation happens again.

Yeah but the fact is nobody should have to compromise or even TRY something because of someone elses lack of money and retarded small brain.

[9ussy]

Yeah but the fact is nobody should have to compromise or even TRY something because of someone elses lack of money and retarded small brain.

Not everyone is born into a rich family, not everyone is financially stable, not everyone can afford the retrofit, not everyone has the knowledge to do the retrofit.

This situation is one that your going to have to stop whining about and deal with it. It's a newish trend that everyone is getting into. HID's are cheap and easy to install, and they some what help you see better at night. IMO

I understand how annoying bright ass HIDs are but i can deal with it. Worst is the the higher up sitting trucks with the HIDs. It's nothing that's going to kill me tho. lol..

[allmotorEJ8]

Nope, All you need to do is focus your eyes on the road or the white line and keep straight in your lane. I know the bright light will still somewhat be in your eyes but focusing on something else besides the headlights themselves will help. I'm just suggesting something he could do if this situation happens again.

I do this all the time when it's raining since light glares off the road too. The white line is helpful.

But on another note, get over it man. There's nothing you can do to change what lights people put in there cars.

[tnomud]

I do this all the time when it's raining since light glares off the road too. The white line is helpful.

But on another note, get over it man. There's nothing you can do to change what lights people put in there cars.

Actually, the number one "reason for stop" that ends in DUI in this country is leaving high beams on. NHTSA is training law enforcement at a state level right now on illegal lighting. There is a fine of like $20K per occourance for selling HID's and they are going to start trying to collect on it. It all comes down to money. NHTSA declared these kits illegal in 2003 and have the abiility to influence other programs on a state level. NHTSA is dedicated to stopping the use of these kits and working hard to stop it now. This is old news.

Now, being in the lighting industry, I hear all Kinds of wierd stories. In some places you will get a hammer hit (u get followed) or bullet for not turning off your brights.

Another thought to remember: By using these kits, you are KNOWINGLY making your car illegal and offensive to others on the road. If you are to cause and accident, you are liable, just like if you are running e-code taillights. IE: somone coming the other direction at a stoplight hits you and says they were blinded by your lights..........it's on you.

[alpine_aw11]

So I should just close my eyes while I'm taking a corner going 60? Seriously, this is ridiculous. Not one person in here has given a single valid response. So I'll keep crying to my parents until one of you can actually justify your gay ass headlights.

[Elbow]

So I should just close my eyes while I'm taking a corner going 60? Seriously, this is ridiculous. Not one person in here has given a single valid response. So I'll keep crying to my parents until one of you can actually justify your gay ass headlights.

You should. I mean is it too much to ask we endanger our lives for broke ass ricers?

[MeFryRice]

Not one person in here has given a single valid response.

There have been plenty of valid responses, you're just not opening your eyes to read them.

[alpine_aw11]

There have been plenty of valid responses, you're just not opening your eyes to read them.

If there is a good response actually supporting the use of these weak ass faggy headlights I'll kill myself. And no, it's not "Uhhh I aimeded mines in my rad Civic" or "Just deal with it because we drive Hondas and fuck you"