03 cobra vs. S2k who would handle better around a track.

[87 Turbo II]

You've never ridden in a 03/04 cobra




Most ignorant statement of this thread ... I realize everyone has an opinion but you are basing this off what you heard? At the strip, yes, it is a poor platform if you are running street tires... but still 31 spline axels that have gotten many people well into the 10's and even 9's... No handling advantages? lol on the skidpad the s2k wins by .04... the cobra pwns at high speed slalom... The 1 second the s2k might pull in a tight corner will be shut down 15ft later

The poll is worded weird but the argument we had was that his car would beat mine at a track... stock for stock the cobra would still win... I would stop for lunch in the middle of the race and still win in my car :boobies:

Just now replying to this, but I just wanted to say that what I said is hardly the most ignorant thing in the thread, as I was putting in "from what I heard" to show that everyhting I am saying IS in fact a guess. I am admitting to not knowing any of it for sure. And when I said "I see no handling advantages for the cobra" I was talking about in pure physics, weight, skidpad, wheelbase, etc. where I later added that the Cobra can house massive tires, so that is one major advantage.

[Bridged]

If they are both stock, it depends on the course/track it's done at. If there's alot of tight turns and not alot of straight ways I would say the S2K. But if the track is more open and like 90 angle and straight turns and just some strong turns, not many; the cobra could def put a hurt on the s2k with even drivers.

The issue here isn't the "muscle car's have shitty suspension" stuff, it basically comes done to weight and the drivers ability to throw and move that weight in the apex and out of the apex of the turns on the track, that and the gearing on the cars.

I have seen many muscle cars like mustang's and camaros ripping it up on track and scca events so don't think because Honda says the s2k comes ready for track at the dealership doesn't always hold true in the hands of a real person, but sure on paper.

A really good driver in the cobra and a normal Sunday driver in th s2k and even the smallest tightest course wont stop the good driver from coming around the bad in most cases on track and vice versa.


If your looking for a track car, test drive them both and pick which you feel is better for you. If your talking about street wise. The poor f**king deer.

My bet is on the cobra tho, even tho this question is pointless because we are not you, or the persons driving in this bench race. You have to decide which is best to you. This is like those, "WHATZ TEH MAX BOOOST I CANZ RUN ON MINES STOCK INTERNALS WITH 550CC INJECTRONS." The simple answer is every car/driver is different. Something you just got to figure out.

[DieselNuts]

Well for handling in most cases just go with the lighter car, in this case the S2000. The cobra's IRS isn't a great system from what I've heard and other than being able to house super wide tires, I see no handling advantages for the cobra. They're just too heavy. So I say S2K. But the pol/thread is worded weird. I assume you JUSt mean tha handling part, not how would they "handle a track". So if the question is about lap times in general, then I say it depends on how tight the course is, but pure handling alone, S2k, overall, Cobra has mad power.

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[Elbow]

Ok, from what I have seen at ROAD ATLANTA...

S2000's are generally faster in TURNS, but the Cobra makes up for it by not being left in the turns, and then raping the homo Honda on the straight. If both were driven by a pro driver, I am willing to bet the S2000 has NO chance other then in corners, but after a couple laps, especially at that track which is FAST, there will be no race.

I have seen new Camaro SS's out there and have not been even slightly impressed.

LOL at a E92 M3 being better then all, they aren't that great.

[Elbow]

Yeah I agree some of you all are speaking from looks, the Cobra is bigger, it MUST be slower in corners. There are Cobras at autocross events that will kill an S2000. Believe it or not, Ford didn't only care about straight line.

Even regular Mustangs can be made to handle very well with not that much work done.

[Elbow]

The S2K is a great car, but it's far from the best in it's arena. A Miata with bolt ons isn't even that much slower, and will definitely beat it in the twisties.

[Frög]

yes, an s2k will outhandle a Cobra on a turn.. barely..

Who would put up better times with the same driver.

But if you race around RA, S2k will get OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are comparing cars from different classes.. I think this poll should compare s2k's and miatas..

[Elbow]

Yeah an S2K VS Miata would be much better.

[sprix!]

S2k vs MX-5 might work better... but you would really need to toss in a Mazdaspeed MX-5 in order for it to be comparable. The power difference between the two is fairly sizable, though both handle arguably well.
I have seen a few people talking about comparisons of car X *stock* vs car Z *modified*, but just remember that modifications prove any comparison vs a stock car invalid. If one car is modified and tossed into a comparison, the other car should be modified, and preferably to a comparable degree. I can sufficient funding into a Hyundai Elantra and make a track beast out of it, so let's be careful how we bring modified cars into the discussion.

[Elbow]

I know a NA Miata (pop up lights) with bolt ons and suspension will run RIGHT on an S2K's bumper with a few mods. I see it all the time. In fact an S2K doesn't even really pull on the straights with bolt ons.

[sprix!]

Again, it isn't really a valid comparison to toss a modified car against a stock car and declare one the winner. I don't doubt that what you post could happen as far as a mod'd NA running closely with an APx, but I could toss money into a Civic, Mazda 3, Saturn Ion, etc and get it to do the same thing.

[DieselNuts]

I could toss money into a Civic, Mazda 3, Saturn Ion, etc and get it to do the same thing.

FWD FTL

[On_Her_Face]

Corvette blows both out of the water.

[xxbckiexx]

Corvette blows both out of the water.

ill stick with my z06. ty.

[Homer Simpson]

I voted s2k for obvious reasons.

I don't know much about Cobra's except that they sound good, look good, and have terrible interiors.

[Catnip]

They are two completely different kinds of cars, built for completely different reasons. This is like comparing an apple to an orange here.

I voted S2000 because I used to have one and it was very fast (200 pounds reduced, 400HP/285TQ) And I've ridden in Mustangs and they feel like you're riding in a boat (I just like small, nimble cars better but it's my personal choice).

You think comparing an S2000 and comparing a Terminator is apples and oranges, but you want to compare a gutted 400hp S2000 to what I'm guessing are stock non-terminator mustangs?

While paper racing is silly, the 130-ish TQ that a stock s2000 will put down is masked by the fact that it has a 4.10 final drive. Gearing multiplies TQ so it might sound low but if kept in vtec throughout the gears the car is much quicker than it would seem.

The Cobra has a 3.55 with a 6 speed, it's not hurting gear wise.

And sadly, I agree... and facts agree with xxbckiexx. Z06 > S2000/cobra

[DieselNuts]

I voted s2k for obvious reasons.

I don't know much about Cobra's except that they sound good, look good, and have terrible interiors.

with a statement like that, its obvious you're just a fanboy

as we all know NSX > ALL!

not so much...

[crxsiguy]

not so much...

NSX>C6 Z06

[nreggie454]

NSX>C6 Z06

LOL.

[DieselNuts]

NSX>C6 Z06

Do you seriously believe this?

[crxsiguy]

Do you seriously believe this?

I like my life a 1/4 mile at a time

[crxsiguy]

i think it should be 03 cobra vs NSX, but as we all know NSX > ALL!

[atlxpat]

wrx?

lol but damn i never knew 03-04 cobras had IRS

[SicStang03]

LOL

[JITB]

its called a TERMINATOR you cant fuck with that

[Catnip]

its called a TERMINATOR you cant fuck with that

Iknorite?

[S II K]

I voted s2k


If you honestly think a ford mustang can out handle an s2000 please with all due respect slap your fucking face. and for those that think s2ks and miatas are a better comparison with alll due respect slap your fucking face as well. you cant compare them sotck for stock they are waaaaaay more underpowered than a s2000. even if they both had every single bolt on the s2000 would walk a miata.\


The End.

[JITB]

I voted s2k


If you honestly think a ford mustang can out handle an s2000 please with all due respect slap your fucking face. and for those that think s2ks and miatas are a better comparison with alll due respect slap your fucking face as well. you cant compare them sotck for stock they are waaaaaay more underpowered than a s2000. even if they both had every single bolt on the s2000 would walk a miata.\


The End.

lol

Z4
miata
s2000
sky
solstice
slk
MrS

all the same.. they are all 2 seater roadsters

[HypnoToad]

this thread has huge LOLs

[Catnip]

Took a CR to beat the Cobra

http://www.torque.tv/index.php?_page...Bvc3RfaWQ9Mjk=

[S II K]

Took a CR to beat the Cobra

http://www.torque.tv/index.php?_page...Bvc3RfaWQ9Mjk=

Took a cobra to somewhat hang with a little 4 cylinder underpowered honda.

if youre bothered that a cr beat the cobra then put a gt vs a regular s2000 or a v6 mustang. cobras are a higher end mustang and cr is a "higher end" s2000. im sorry i honestly cant believe you think a mustang handles better.

[Catnip]

Took a cobra to somewhat hang with a little 4 cylinder underpowered honda.

if youre bothered that a cr beat the cobra then put a gt vs a regular s2000 or a v6 mustang. cobras are a higher end mustang and cr is a "higher end" s2000. im sorry i honestly cant believe you think a mustang handles better.

No, it's the fact it took the "higher end" version of a car that was built to handle, to beat a the, lets call it the "handling package", version of a car that was never intended to handle well.

If that makes sense.

[S2KJD]

No, it's the fact it took the "higher end" version of a car that was built to handle, to beat a the, lets call it the "handling package", version of a car that was never intended to handle well.

If that makes sense.

it doesnt cause THROUGHOUT this thread there are ravs about how the cobra 03-04 is setup to handle better so...

and i agree let a v6 mustang and ap1 or ap2 race to be more fair then against the cobra. a CR should be the least of your worries to unfair on saying "higher end" lol!

as of now the writing is on the wall so now we need to find more times on other tracks...


good find by the way!

[Catnip]

it doesnt cause THROUGHOUT this thread there are ravs about how the cobra 03-04 is setup to handle better so...

And it handles amazing for a big, heavy muscle car. You can't argue that, with it being only 2 seconds behind the, and I quote "race ready S2000."

and i agree let a GT mustang and ap1 or ap2 race to be more fair then against the cobra. a CR should be the least of your worries to unfair on saying "higher end" lol!

The mustang GT and mustang cobra (99-04) are two different cars. Like I said, the cobra is the handling package of a car that wasn't really meant to handle good. So to take the GT and put it up against a S2000 isn't fair, straight line or "twisties."

as of now the writing is on the wall so now we need to find more times on other tracks...


good find by the way!

I agree, finding more times for different tracks would be fair.

Thanks

[S2KJD]

not sure imho as depending on the track i think either way but i do like how both sides are so confident(more so the cobra fans) but yet no one is showing straight evidence of a s2k vs cobra actually going head to head lol!

and now we do! now there has to be more out there so let the #'s do the talking as i said back on page 2 :boobies:

Took a CR to beat the Cobra

http://www.torque.tv/index.php?_page...Bvc3RfaWQ9Mjk=

+1 rep

[Stormhammer]

Took a CR to beat the SVT Cobra

http://www.torque.tv/index.php?_page...Bvc3RfaWQ9Mjk=

fixed lol


Also - here's the large large difference.

Cobra isn't exactly meant to be a high revving engine, and they're torque monsters - so they have great bottom end. Especially with that Eaton supercharger. Also, it has a heavier nose ( 57/43 weight ratio ) whilst the S2000 has a 49/51 weight ratio. Paired with the torque band of the engine and how high they can rev, and S2000 will have a faster entry and exit speed in a corner than a Cobra.

It's unfair to state though without a course. If a course has any number of long straights, sooner or later the Cobra will catch up. That's just horsepower facts for you. If it's a ridiculously curvy course, the S2000 will rape it being that it'll be able to stay in its power band a lot easier.

In other words, this thread is fucking retarded.

[afwfjustin]

In other words, this thread is fucking retarded.

Amen, sista

[S2KJD]

:crickets churping:

[HypnoToad]

someone take a cobra and s2k to road atlanta and see what happens.......lol

[S2KJD]

someone take a cobra and s2k to road atlanta and see what happens.......lol

yes there are tons of tracks all with advantages as well as disadvantages to both cars and road atlanta would favor the cobra do to more straights. thats one track out of many i can think of dude...