What is the best all motor block??

**Mr2raceworks** · 08-01-2007, 01:05 AM

tippatone, If you want it BEAST, go K24 if you have the money, all depends on your power goals.

ps: don't get an H22 LOL

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 01:09 AM

Mr2raceworks that is what i am planning on doing when i get my tax return for next year. can i get one for about $4000?

**Mr2raceworks** · 08-01-2007, 01:11 AM

beats me, I haven't looked in to it lately, I looked into it about 2-3 years ago and the motors were going for $6,000

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 01:16 AM

Yeah that has come down about $1000, i was just told if i go to cali i can get one for 4500 to 5000, man thats some heavy cash

**B18CDELSLO** · 08-01-2007, 01:26 AM

do some research, there was a company a few years discreasing the displacement of the h22 to a 2 liter and had those engines runnin over 300 to the wheels!!! and if you think 5000 is heavy cash go boost!!! 5000 in a k24 after the initial cost of the swap will make it nice all motor, 1100 for cams, 850 for good header, itbs 2500, then the lil shyt like valve springs and retainers, and then the tuning will be a nice chunk on top of it and you still didnt get into the block

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 01:33 AM

You aint lying dude, i think with the money i'll spend on the k i could make a serious b or h setup

**B18CDELSLO** · 08-01-2007, 01:36 AM

i got a jdm gsr in my del sol, was bout to sell my swap and go k20a but then i came to my senses!!! its just not worth it yet, in 5 more years maybe but not now. go boost on the gsr

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 01:37 AM

Good idea man thanks

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 04:32 AM

My mind is made up. I am going B16/B20 setup all motor. What compression pistons would be good for an all motor B20 bottom end?

**josh green** · 08-01-2007, 06:22 AM

You are looking at things in the wrong perspective. Think about it, you can get a stock k20a2 swap on hmotors for $4k. I would rather spend the money on a stock swap then building a inferior motor when it comes to all motor. I had a stock k20a2 swap in my eg and with a street fuel tune it made 202whp and made 115ft.lbs of torque @ 2k rpms. With the 6 speed tranny I guarantee that that car could outrun a build B series or H series. The best part about it, I could beat the shit out of it b/c it was a completely stock honda engine. I would not waste your time building a H series for all motor, they make their power from displacement. The H series engines are just big and I dont really want to cut shit off a car unless its going to be worth it and to me a H series motor isnt worth it. Yes you can make power out of them but its going to take a lot more than you think. All motor go K, boosted got B.

**SPOOLIN** · 08-01-2007, 08:06 AM

and dont fucking knife edge a honda crank, IT DOESNT "SLIVE THROUGH THE OIL FASTER" because the crank doesnt even touch the oil in the first place except for maybe a half centimeter. A virgin honda crank, is far superior than any mod you can do to it besides a simple balancing with rods and pistons.

**o_bomb** · 08-01-2007, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by SPOOLIN

and dont fucking knife edge a honda crank, IT DOESNT "SLIVE THROUGH THE OIL FASTER" because the crank doesnt even touch the oil in the first place except for maybe a half centimeter. A virgin honda crank, is far superior than any mod you can do to it besides a simple balancing with rods and pistons.

SOOOO AGREED!!!!!

**speedminded** · 08-01-2007, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by SPOOLIN

and dont fucking knife edge a honda crank, IT DOESNT "SLIVE THROUGH THE OIL FASTER" because the crank doesnt even touch the oil in the first place except for maybe a half centimeter. A virgin honda crank, is far superior than any mod you can do to it besides a simple balancing with rods and pistons.

It's nothing to do with slicing through the oil, less weight free's the engine up and less mass on moving parts make an all motor engine a beast, just like a lightened flywheel but to a whole new level.

For turbo I wouldn't always suggest it though, you may want the extra rotational mass but that all depends on the turbo and application.

**hungry4eva** · 08-01-2007, 05:29 PM

do a K24/K20A swap :-D of course $4g's is not enough. you can find people selling built swaps too. your question was "what is best all motor block?" how could you leave out k-series in your poll?

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 05:34 PM

Because k-series is not in the same ballpark with the h and b series motors, if i had the bread i would not even have to ask i would have a k series on the way right now. the only b series motor that can mess with the k is a type-r which cost almost as much as a k swap

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 07:38 PM

you are so right

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 10:32 PM

About how much will it cost to assemble(put pistons into)and bore a B20?

**xbn83** · 08-01-2007, 11:36 PM

Originally Posted by tippatone

About how much will it cost to assemble(put pistons into)and bore a B20?

Somewhere around $350 for fully assemble and blue print a bottom end from a machine shop. It is just labor, you provide all parts.

**Mr.MuayThai** · 08-01-2007, 11:21 PM

Go with my b18b1 and boost! New internals! you can't beat it! with a short geared b16 tranny! quick shit!

**tippatone** · 08-01-2007, 11:54 PM

Yeah i was going to get some CTR pistons and get a B20 if i dont an LS from someone on IA

**SL65AMG** · 08-02-2007, 09:35 PM

well ive got a crx and im leaning towards building a b20 vtec. they make pretty decent torque and are bigger than a b18.

Plain And Simple : "Theres No Replacement For Displacement." PERIOD
and since this is all motor, turbo is out of the question. but i think a b20vtec/lsvtec turbo would be SICK!!

but i guess its what your goals are to get from the motor.

seat of your pants feel or hauling ass down the track..... but i guess that kinda goes hand in hand

i wanna build mine all motor that will make power to 10k rpm. thats my goal.... hp and tq are to be determined when im done..... prolly somewhere around 250 or so whp and 170 tq.... well see

and also be street able on pump(premium) gas

**xbn83** · 08-02-2007, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by SL65AMG

well ive got a crx and im leaning towards building a b20 vtec. they make pretty decent torque and are bigger than a b18.

Plain And Simple : "Theres No Replacement For Displacement." PERIOD
and since this is all motor, turbo is out of the question. but i think a b20vtec/lsvtec turbo would be SICK!!

but i guess its what your goals are to get from the motor.

seat of your pants feel or hauling ass down the track..... but i guess that kinda goes hand in hand

i wanna build mine all motor that will make power to 10k rpm. thats my goal.... hp and tq are to be determined when im done..... prolly somewhere around 250 or so whp and 170 tq.... well see

and also be street able on pump(premium) gas

H22 2.2>2.0>1.8>1.6

**KPowerEP3** · 08-03-2007, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by xbn83

K24 2.4>2.2>2.0>1.8>1.6

fixed.

**xbn83** · 08-03-2007, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by KPowerEP3

fixed.

He said K is out of question so....

**SandM** · 08-02-2007, 10:51 PM

build a k20a3... start from the ground and just go up. still got your k series for cheaper, if not just plain cheap.

**tippatone** · 08-03-2007, 01:54 AM

That K swap is too much for my pockets at this time, maybe later

**GTScoob** · 08-03-2007, 04:29 AM

Why not just call a shop that has built up several of these motors and see what their opinions are versus consulting a bunch of know-it-alls online?

If you want a serious all motor build, sell the honda and buy a 5.0 mustang or LS1 or LT1 Camaro. 300whp all motor easy with plenty of low range torque since that seems like what you want.

There's no replacement for displacement but a decently setup turbo motor can hold its own and be more reliable than an expensive built NA setup.

**Mr2raceworks** · 08-04-2007, 03:58 PM

don't let a little forum talk get your feelings hurt, start whipping that vag

**tippatone** · 08-06-2007, 01:33 AM

I will get a k motor when i get a second job, somebody said get a mustang, no offense but my first car was a ford and after that experience i said fuck ford it stand Fix Or Repair Daily Honda power all day

**ueyedgr8tness** · 08-08-2007, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by tippatone

I will get a k motor when i get a second job, somebody said get a mustang, no offense but my first car was a ford and after that experience i said fuck ford it stand Fix Or Repair Daily Honda power all day

REps man i feel u i had a 96 gt with mods and sold it and got a rsx type s and loved that thing to death if i ever build a car it will be the 92 hatch with a k20

I have alway's wanted 1

**tippatone** · 08-08-2007, 12:38 PM

If you get a EG hatch with a k-series you will be the SHIT

Originally Posted by stay_up

REps man i feel u i had a 96 gt with mods and sold it and got a rsx type s and loved that thing to death if i ever build a car it will be the 92 hatch with a k20

I have alway's wanted 1

**patrick4588** · 08-07-2007, 01:05 AM

pwned

**Leadfoot_mf** · 08-07-2007, 10:52 PM

ls1

**pacman031** · 08-08-2007, 09:51 AM

franken k k20type s head on k24a block 6speed tranny wit lsd

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