hahahahahahahahaha the wheels are nearly a grand, and those tires... are brand new, and the tires i got a 10 percent discount, and didnt pay disposal, stem fees, just the mounting an balancing. that all was 650 so the tires were about 150 a piece, so i think what i am asking is more than fair...and not looking for trades... honda world is cheap, wait till you pay 300 per tire in the big boy world... just for a decent tire, or 400 for a performance tire