For E36slide - real world Cobra with $5k in mods

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Originally Posted by .blank cd

OP posted an earlier model cobra and said it only needed 5k in mods to run 9s, when obviously the car had way more than 5k in mods, without the special transmission.

And I just built a 2013 GT500 with the options I would get for 68k. I could have went to 70.

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Ya I agree with you on that. My 2003 2.8KB Cobra had over $5,000 in performance mods and probably had the traps to get into the 9's. Then you get into the issue of swapping a SRA and suspension mods along with wheels and tires. I find it hard to see an 03/04 Cobra going into the 9's with just $5,000. It'll probably have the power for it but not the correct suspension setup.

As for the 2013. Just because your optioned out car came out to over 68K doesnt mean a 2013 GT500 MSRP isnt 54,xxx. I didnt pay anywhere near 68K for mine.

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Originally Posted by SHHHH

Ya I agree with you on that. My 2003 2.8KB Cobra had over $5,000 in performance mods and probably had the traps to get into the 9's. Then you get into the issue of swapping a SRA and suspension mods along with wheels and tires. I find it hard to see an 03/04 Cobra going into the 9's with just $5,000. It'll probably have the power for it but not the correct suspension setup.

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Precisely. Then you still gotta buy tires

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Originally Posted by SHHHH

Fifty four and some change but close enough ya.
I thought we were just talking about Mustangs. Didnt know you guys were talking about a specific year range or MSRP.


Even so, with less than $5,000 in mods you can go from mid 11's into the 9 second bracket. All within the confines of a blue oval pony car.

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The debate is bang for the buck. Fastest car per dollar spent. Rules being if you select a used car, you must use it's MSRP new... so you cant say "i got this 89 civic for $500 and spent $39500 on it"

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

The debate is bang for the buck. Fastest car per dollar spent. Rules being if you select a used car, you must use it's MSRP new... so you cant say "i got this 89 civic for $500 and spent $39500 on it"

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Why not? Does that give Hondas an advantage?

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Originally Posted by .blank cd

Why not? Does that give Hondas an advantage?

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No..... simply because here were are arguing and debating over all the variables involved with only a $5000 window for modification, when you open the debate up to used car prices we're going to look like a monkey fucking a football.


And do you really think starting with the cheapest possible base and leaving more money for mods would benefit the honda crowd????????????
http://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.racingjun...roject-Car.jpg




side note.... just heard the best quote of my life....

"my girlfriend assured me that size doesnt matter, but all of her dildos look like they need a lamp shade on top of them "

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Originally Posted by .blank cd

Why not? Does that give Hondas an advantage?

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Why is this conversation so fucking hard for you to grasp?

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Originally Posted by SHHHH

Fifty four and some change but close enough ya.
I thought we were just talking about Mustangs. Didnt know you guys were talking about a specific year range or MSRP

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Wow I factored 5k including the car

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Originally Posted by .blank cd

You said you could build a Stang to run 9s for less than $5000. You then posted a link to a supercharger that was already $4500, it's supporting mods total OVER $5000. For the average person who doesn't install everything themselves, that's WELL OVER $5000.

What's the issue here? Can you not count?

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The issue seems to be your brain. E36Slide doesn't take his car to a shop, nor does he source new parts as he clearly discussed that he could get parts even from a junkyard. I'm guessing that you've never installed a supercharger before, but I have installed quite a few, and they really aren't very hard. There are many people that can install them without needing a shop. I posted a link to a 3.4 that sold for $3100, and another that was asking $3500. I also posted a link to a fuel system that someone was asking $900. Obviously, the math tells you that you can get the supercharger and fuel system for around $4k. I didn't think that I needed to explain that to you, but it appears I was wrong, and that you actually do need hand-holding.

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Originally Posted by SHHHH

Ya I agree with you on that. My 2003 2.8KB Cobra had over $5,000 in performance mods and probably had the traps to get into the 9's. Then you get into the issue of swapping a SRA and suspension mods along with wheels and tires. I find it hard to see an 03/04 Cobra going into the 9's with just $5,000. It'll probably have the power for it but not the correct suspension setup.

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I got my ProStars and tires for $600. You have to shop for deals.
For suspension, you can find people selling Baseline Suspensions setups pretty cheap also. Good stuff, and priced well when new, and really cheap used.

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

The debate is bang for the buck. Fastest car per dollar spent. Rules being if you select a used car, you must use it's MSRP new... so you cant say "i got this 89 civic for $500 and spent $39500 on it"

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No, this was specifically related to E36Slide, and not all cars. Just Mustangs and Evo 8s.

If you wanted speed for bang for the buck, just buy a bike.

Then let me hold YOUR hand and escort you back through what you said for a minute. Come with me.

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Originally Posted by David88vert

real world cobra for $5k. runs 9s
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/..._speedweid.jpg

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This car has more than $5k worth of modifications on it. Fact. Simple and plain.

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Originally Posted by David88vert

Ive already got such and such tires and such and such fuel system laying around and X supercharger only costs $X

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Any dumbass can build a 9 second car for $5k if they're STARTING with a $30k 11 second car and $6k worth of parts laying around their garage. If we're using that as a metric, Im pretty sure I could get an Evo 9, or a used Evo X to blow the doors off that Cobra.

OP made a critical logic error. Failure thread is a failure. Nothing more to see here.

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Originally Posted by Catnip

Why is this conversation so fucking hard for you to grasp?

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Are you that fucking dense? OP said the original car had $5k of mods. It does not.

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Originally Posted by .blank cd

Then let me hold YOUR hand and escort you back through what you said for a minute. Come with me. This car has more than $5k worth of modifications on it. Fact. Simple and plain.

Any dumbass can build a 9 second car for $5k if they're STARTING with a $30k 11 second car and $6k worth of parts laying around their garage. If we're using that as a metric, Im pretty sure I could get an Evo 9, or a used Evo X to blow the doors off that Cobra.

OP made a critical logic error. Failure thread is a failure. Nothing more to see here.

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So do you think a stock EVO with $5k worth of mods will out run a stock cobra with $5k worth of mods?

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

So do you think a stock EVO with $5k worth of mods will out run a stock cobra with $5k worth of mods?

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I'm saying if I can start with a 30k car that already breaks 11s, a number of parts I might have laying around in my garage, and an extra 5k bucks (in reality, $7-10k) yes.

Take evo or mustang, forge the bottem end, 3 stage 400hp direct port, tires, have fun.


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Originally Posted by .blank cd

Then let me hold YOUR hand and escort you back through what you said for a minute. Come with me. This car has more than $5k worth of modifications on it. Fact. Simple and plain.

Any dumbass can build a 9 second car for $5k if they're STARTING with a $30k 11 second car and $6k worth of parts laying around their garage. If we're using that as a metric, Im pretty sure I could get an Evo 9, or a used Evo X to blow the doors off that Cobra.

OP made a critical logic error. Failure thread is a failure. Nothing more to see here.

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You sit there and edit my post, and try to look intelligent, but you fail. you were not part of the original conversation, you don't remember any of it obviously, and now you are just trying to backpedal.
Re-read my post, and tell me again how you can't do basic math.

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Originally Posted by .blank cd

I'm saying if I can start with a 30k car that already breaks 11s, a number of parts I might have laying around in my garage, and an extra 5k bucks (in reality, $7-10k) yes.

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Whipple 3.4 - 3100
fuel - 900 (and could still negotiate to less)
injectors - 200
wheels/tires - 600
installation/tune - DIY

And as for an SRA - 99-04 are easy to grab locally. I bought one from a guy in Anderson, SC, just a couple of years ago for another project. $250 complete, and you can sell the IRS easily if you wanted to for more (usually about $600). There are plenty of guys running ok on the IRS though.

E36 hasnt responded! good for him. im proud of him avoiding this thread. the only thing you guys can do is wait untill his build is done then race him. not from a roll, from a dig. where it takes actuall skill to launch a car.

Here's where I make you look like a fool again. Concentrate. Something you've done less frequently than the bottom of an orange juice box.

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Originally Posted by David88vert

THREAD TITLE: real world Cobra with 5k in mods

This Cobra has a Whipple 3.4, STOCK LONG BLOCK (no cams, etc), Coan T400 trans with a steering wheel pushbutton shifter on the right thumb, Kurgan spec'd UCC converter, and is FULL WEIGHT (this car has A/C, all new leather seats, and big stereo).

The best ET was 9.76 @ 140mph.

You're not going to get an Evo 8 into the 9's like this for this cheap.

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Original failure: the car has more than 5k in mods.

I just wanna go fast like you guys.... :(

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Originally Posted by 1civic

I just wanna go fast like you guys.... :(

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If you wanted to go fast you wouldnt be in a wrong wheel drive.

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Originally Posted by .blank cd

Here's where I make you look like a fool again. Concentrate. Something you've done less frequently than the bottom of an orange juice box.

Original failure: the car has more than 5k in mods.

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Again, you are not quoting the whole thing. Your attempts just shown once again that you either cannot read, or choose to ignore the obvious.

"The owner was in a bad accident years ago and was paralyzed from the chest down... so, all his street cars have hand controls. I'm exempting the cost of the transmission, as he would still be manual if he could drive one.
This Cobra has a Whipple 3.4, STOCK LONG BLOCK (no cams, etc), Coan T400 trans with a steering wheel pushbutton shifter on the right thumb, Kurgan spec'd UCC converter, and is FULL WEIGHT (this car has A/C, all new leather seats, and big stereo).
The best ET was 9.76 @ 140mph.

You're not going to get an Evo 8 into the 9's like this for this cheap."

What part of "I'm exempting the cost of the transmission" do you not understand?

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Originally Posted by David88vert

Again, you are not quoting the whole thing. Your attempts just shown once again that you either cannot read, or choose to ignore the obvious.

"The owner was in a bad accident years ago and was paralyzed from the chest down... so, all his street cars have hand controls. I'm exempting the cost of the transmission, as he would still be manual if he could drive one.
This Cobra has a Whipple 3.4, STOCK LONG BLOCK (no cams, etc), Coan T400 trans with a steering wheel pushbutton shifter on the right thumb, Kurgan spec'd UCC converter, and is FULL WEIGHT (this car has A/C, all new leather seats, and big stereo).
The best ET was 9.76 @ 140mph.

You're not going to get an Evo 8 into the 9's like this for this cheap."

What part of "I'm exempting the cost of the transmission" do you not understand?

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This is basic drag racing. Twice the cylinders, twice as EASY to make power.

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

If you wanted to go fast you wouldnt be in a wrong wheel drive.

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:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by David88vert

What part of "I'm exempting the cost of the transmission" do you not understand?

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I quoted the whole thing and it got deleted

Why would you exempt a critical modification that allows him to get lower ETs? That's like exempting the tires or exempting the supercharger. It's a modification that gets lower ETs. Simple as that.

He could have had Ford modify the trans so he could drive it, but instead he bought a racing transmission with a trans brake and modified it. Go on Coans website and look at what they offer.

Y'all guys crack me up.

Turbo platforms always obtain more hp for cheaper. Hence evo being quicker then the 03 cobras plus its awd


Sent from my mind

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Originally Posted by E36slide

Y'all guys crack me up.

Turbo platforms always obtain more hp for cheaper. Hence evo being quicker then the 03 cobras plus its awd


Sent from my mind

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What?

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Originally Posted by E36slide

Y'all guys crack me up.

Turbo platforms always obtain more hp for cheaper. Hence evo being quicker then the 03 cobras plus its awd


Sent from my mind

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Delusional.

Motortrend says Cobra is faster, as does real life scenarios. Where did that even come from?

03 Cobra 19 psi vs 05 Evo 8 on 21 psi by Sajin1337 - Car Videos on StreetFire

Evo 8 vs Mustang Cobra - YouTube

2003 COBRA VS 2004 EVO VIII - YouTube

WHO'S YA DADDY MUHFUCKAAAA, WHO'S YA DADDYYYYY?!

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Originally Posted by .blank cd

I quoted the whole thing and it got deleted

Why would you exempt a critical modification that allows him to get lower ETs? That's like exempting the tires or exempting the supercharger. It's a modification that gets lower ETs. Simple as that.

He could have had Ford modify the trans so he could drive it, but instead he bought a racing transmission with a trans brake and modified it. Go on Coans website and look at what they offer.

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It also deleted the "For E36slide" from the title?

If you read the first line, you would know that he cannot use his legs.

TheEaton that comes stock on the Cobra can easily be ported, and with the stock transmission and IRS, they run mid 10s. So are you trying to say that the transmission is why it goes into the 9s, and not the additional horsepower? You think that the Whipple doesnt make the power, or do you think that you need more than 700hp to hit 9s?

When you say "have Ford modify the transmission", it makes me wonder if you have ever done any performance work to a car - ever. You can't just call up Ford and have them make a one-off for you. Your only realistic option is to go aftermarket.

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Originally Posted by E36slide

Y'all guys crack me up.

Turbo platforms always obtain more hp for cheaper. Hence evo being quicker then the 03 cobras plus its awd


Sent from my mind

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Im guessing that your trolling these guys now. No way that you believe that "always".

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Originally Posted by Sinfix_15

If you wanted to go fast you wouldnt be in a wrong wheel drive.

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I Want, but I don't need!! ;)

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Originally Posted by David88vert

It also deleted the "For E36slide" from the title?

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So, because the thread is for E36, it's ok if the thread is misleading?

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TheEaton that comes stock on the Cobra can easily be ported, and with the stock transmission and IRS, they run mid 10s. So are you trying to say that the transmission is why it goes into the 9s, and not the additional horsepower? You think that the Whipple doesnt make the power, or do you think that you need more than 700hp to hit 9s?

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Having an auto with a trans brake can shave time off your ET, do you not know this?

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If you read the first line, you would know that he cannot use his legs...

When you say "have Ford modify the transmission", it makes me wonder if you have ever done any performance work to a car - ever. You can't just call up Ford and have them make a one-off for you. Your only realistic option is to go aftermarket.

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I worked at Team. Ford has a pretty extensive performance division. It is not out of the realm of possibility that the stock trans could be modded to adapt to the driver.

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Originally Posted by Catnip

03 Cobra 19 psi vs 05 Evo 8 on 21 psi by Sajin1337 - Car Videos on StreetFire

Evo 8 vs Mustang Cobra - YouTube

2003 COBRA VS 2004 EVO VIII - YouTube

WHO'S YA DADDY MUHFUCKAAAA, WHO'S YA DADDYYYYY?!

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altho lets be fair. the videos you posted are of evo 8. evo 8 has a very small turbo compared to a evo 9. even on 25lbs im sure they are barely 330 to the wheels.

now compared to a evo 9 turbo chances go up

you can see how close they are with that bigger 16g evo 9 turbo

Evo IX vs 03 Cobra - YouTube

and on e85

E85 Evo IX vs Pullied 03 Cobra - YouTube


and another evo 9

EVO IX vs SVT Cobra - YouTube

now im not saying that one is better than the other but just showing comparison between the 8 and 9.

Couldn't find a 1st gen awd dsm for sale, but say you started with this assuming it is in good condition
95 Eclipse GSX AWD TURBO 5 SPEED RARE OBO = 3500

A 1G awd roller with blown motor would be ideal and ~1k

big turbo and nice manifold/plumbing from dsm forums/craigslist (budget 2k)
fuel pump/injectors/rail/FPR= 700
Wet nitrous kit + refill (~250)
MSD6al/2step, dsmlink, cams + a good E85 tune (~1k)
4 used slicks (100-200)
bottom end build, or used built shortblock (1k)
used act pressure plate/clutch kit ~200-300
clutch exchange in decatur will add more meat onto the 6puck discs for 80 bux

Super gutted/stiffened/lightened chassis =~2k and ~5k in mods, probably would at least get into the 10's, no?

Let's say you found some of this stuff on forums/ebay for even cheaper- or better stuff since I think it's a conservative estimate

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Originally Posted by whatever210

altho lets be fair. the videos you posted are of evo 8. evo 8 has a very small turbo compared to a evo 9. even on 25lbs im sure they are barely 330 to the wheels.

now compared to a evo 9 turbo chances go up

you can see how close they are with that bigger 16g evo 9 turbo

Evo IX vs 03 Cobra - YouTube

and on e85

E85 Evo IX vs Pullied 03 Cobra - YouTube


and another evo 9

EVO IX vs SVT Cobra - YouTube

now im not saying that one is better than the other but just showing comparison between the 8 and 9.

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The original arguement was an '03 Evo vs. '03 Cobra

I get your point, and it's very well taken, however, it is not relevant in this thread.

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Originally Posted by .blank cd

So, because the thread is for E36, it's ok if the thread is misleading?

Having an auto with a trans brake can shave time off your ET, do you not know this?

I worked at Team. Ford has a pretty extensive performance division. It is not out of the realm of possibility that the stock trans could be modded to adapt to the driver.

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Its not misleading. If you could read and do math, you would know this.
I know much more about auto transmissions and transbrakes than you know - that's painfully obvious.

"I worked at Team" - Maybe you were a porter or car washer, but definitely not as a mechanic or one dealing with performance.
Show me any SVT produced hand control parts availabe for the stock Cobra manual transmission. How exactly are you going to depress the clutch? You don't have any clue about how it works - you just argue to try to find a way to make yourself look intelligent. You fail.

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Originally Posted by Catnip

The original arguement was an '03 Evo vs. '03 Cobra

I get your point, and it's very well taken, however, it is not relevant in this thread.

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Correct. Evo 8 and 03-04 Cobras only.