Originally Posted by Z71StarsNBarsZ71
I guess eveyone's got their own taste. lol
I guess eveyone's got their own taste. lol
i have a buddy that has a 92 coupe with a stroke 460 in it all in all i think its a 512 or something...but redneck is a choice and a way of life..i know no other way than it...but for cheap bang for the buck u have to build a foxbody...one of the best hooking cars on the road if the suspension is tuned right and can be done for little money...
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im with cliff as well nothing like seeing a classic chevy or ford with a big blower through the hood and some fat tires outback
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Ive always wanted a Mustang..
mk3 supra all the way
Although it isnt the greatest platform in the world the mk3 supra gets absolutely no respect. I cant tell you how many times i've told someone i had a supra... just for them to act all dissappointed when i tell them it isnt the 93-98(mk4)
As long as you take care of your engine you can compete with the mk3 for relatively cheap. Ask Jared pink(raven something on the board). He has about 6000 bucks into an mk3 he paid 2500 for and he's expecting to be in the 11s. A healthy mk3 will run mid 14s to low 15s bone stock. With exhaust and maybe MBC you can expect low 14s high 13s
although that headgasket problem isnt a myth it is easily prevented if you take proper care of your car. Stock gasket can take up to about 15 or 16 lbs of boost but you hit fuel cut at around 14 anyway.
Maybe i am a little biased but it's still an awesome car that gets no respect.
im a money freak and keeping value is ideal for me. So thus buying a supra would be my choice plus i love the sound of a good turbo spool.
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turbo spool is the best..... budah, i think i know who youre talking about, but i thought his car was 1020whp???? TT + Nitro???
im not sure..there are a couple boys up my with em...i think todd berry has one and i know that scott walker just purchased one...
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yeah i think i met berry one night.... i couldnt get over how quiet his car was man!!! i loved it!!!
For the guys that said that they prefer the sound of a turbo check out my cousin's car.
http://www.modularpowerhouse.com/for...nein10secs.wmv
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I love Mark's car man!!!! I'm still waiting on those videos we took the other night.... i think the guy i gave them to disappeared off the face of the earth....
hey he was the one that brought evos in saying we suck ass!!! that's cool - i don't like the way a lot of cars look, but i can give respect.we're really not that fast if you catch us on the highway. but from 0-120ish we rule. which i don't need to be going faster than that anyways, i've already lost my license once, LOL
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Mustang for me. Supras are nice cars, but how useable is all that top end power? With 3 mods my car makes 450+ rwhp. 3 more and I will be around 530 rwhp. As of now my torque curve is almost flat. from 2000 rpms i'm over 400, and it goes up to a peak of 474 at 5700 rpms. I enjoy the hell out of this car because the power is through out the entire rev band. The best part of all is that it drives like stock.
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Supra is a nice car but its expensive if you buy a 93-98 TT car. It takes what about 15K minimum usually to buy a nice 93 or 94 TT and then you do the basic BPU mods you have at most 450 or so rwhp with maybe about a 2,000 investment (is that about right)?
MK3 supras are cheap but come with pretty wimpy engines as compared to the 2JZ. You can take a fox body mustang 87-93 car with a bone stock engine,put a HP or PTK single turbo kit and have an easy 400 rwhp car with around 11-12 psi for way less then any supra. An 03 cobra would be the ideal car to get if you want to go fast for cheap and still have a reliable motor up to 800 hp.
or you can be like me,i have an 87 mustang fox body notchback with a built motor (aftermarket heads,intake,cam...it made 400 flywheel hp WITHOUT THE TURBO ANR RAN 11.97@115) with an intercooled T-76 turbo. I'm building it to run with the supras and bikes from a roll and will run from a stop too (hello mickey thompson 17 inch drag radials....Evos or STis don't scare me). I guarantee my car will easily make 550 rwhp at very low boost (10 or so psi) and have an insane torque curve and fast spoolup (37-3800 rpm) compared to any kind of supra with a similar turbo and mine is dual ball bearing Turbonetics unit as well.
So whats up now!
MUSTANG+TURBO=SUPRA OWNAGE
when this beast gona be ready to race?
im goign this weekend to jackson sc.
Buddha, I understand your point to an extent, but it's a comparo of apples to corn flakes.
That's like telling you to take out 2 of the cyls. out of a run-of-the-mill SB making 300 HP. Stock for stock, it's no more powerful than a run-of-the-mill import V6 or I6. As a matter of fact, compared to today's high output V6 of 260hp and more, it would actually fall short. And more importantly, that would actually be with the domestic actually having LARGER displacement and the import having a SMALLER displacement, yet still having more HP.
See, if you take the typical 5.0 liter domestic V8, divide those 5 liters by 8 (# of cyls), that equals to .625/cyl. Multiply that .625 by 6 (to equal to what it would be if you sheered off 2 cyls) and you get 3.75L of displacement. Now, take that 300HP and divide it by 8 cyls, and you get 37.5 HP/liter. So, using that same assumption, you multiply 37.5 by 6 for your new make belief 6 cyl domestic and you get 225HP.
Now, using the same logic, you take a typical V6 like the one in the 350z. 3.5L putting out a reported 275HP stock. Do the same math as above, but backwards to figure out what if a 3.5L V6 morphed into an 4.6L V8 (it's mathematical big brother). It comes out to an import 4.6L V8 putting out somewhere around 366 HP stock.
Now, I know this is all fairy tale math and just for giggles, but the physics are still there. It's not fair to compare a bigger displacement motor to a smaller displacement motor on raw HP #'s alone. You should take other factors into consideration.
Even with all that said, the domestic V8 is still going to be the king of the hill when it comes to sheer numbers. Why? Simple. You can get one for dirt cheap, you can mod it for dirt cheap from bizillion page catalogs, and dollar for dollar you can make one go faster easier. So, that means that the actual decision of which is better for you is going to simply boil down to personal preference. Personally, I like all cars so props to everyone for modding ANY car IMO.
If I wanted to go fast for cheap=Mustang
If I wanted to go fast, look good, and have a "nice car"=Supra
I love the Supra, but after the import scene blew up a few years ago it makes them pointless to have one. Most of them are useless show cars and such. I don't see the point in Turboing a N/A one. If I was stupid enough to waste money on that mod I would stop myself, sell the lame ass N/A one and buy a MKIII Turbo and drop a 1/2JZ in that.
the kenne bell cobras are some of the sickest cars i have ever seen/heard
......... or better yet.... yeah my TT STANG will rape him..... LMAO!!!!
Your 750whp TT Stang x2.......
No offense but your a dumbass. Dyno numbers don't mean shit except to supra bozos who have your stupid dyno contests. Hell,i would bet $$ a 750 rwhp turbo stang could hang with a 1000 hp supra with a proper gearing up to around 140 mph. With marco being the lone exception on that list i'd like to see any of those supras run the times that one i posted above has....that one has run single digit times letting off.
Do some more research buddy, before calling me a dumbass... and i guess you keep thinking in terms of TRACK this and TRACK that.... i dont go to the track..... at 140mph the Supra is just getting started whereas the stang will start puttering out..... marco is not the only 8 second supra running around.... there are plenty of them..... ill put money on the 750whp stang vs 1000whp supra on the freeway too man except my money is on the Supra.... you see, the fast supras dont race other cars.... they race BIKES for kicks... i dont see too many BIKE kill stories on the Svtperformance forums. just holllllaaaa!!!! Actually, we can make it interesting and do it with a 750whp Supra and a 750whp Stang. You obviously havent seen the videos of dmitry's supra @ 400whp putting CL'S on the SC'd foxbody @ over 500whp.... How many stangs do you know of that are "properly geared" for the freeway??? BLAH......
Who said if you want a nice car go with a supra? Phh Cobras are just as nice..
Get a 03/04 Cobra slap one of those single or twin turbo setups on and say bye bye to supra from a roll...
03/04 Cobra spend 10k on your turbosetup and your set
Supra good luck spending no less then 25k to have 900hp "reliable"
SC mustangs no doubt they poop out up top the S/c starts to get tired and doesn't spin the belt but if your running at the 1/4 Track there deadly against a tastefully modded supra that does 11's at 140mph
Who said if you want a nice car go with a supra? Phh Cobras are just as nice..
Get a 03/04 Cobra slap one of those single or twin turbo setups on and say bye bye to supra from a roll...
03/04 Cobra spend 10k on your turbosetup and your set
Supra good luck spending no less then 25k to have 900hp "reliable"
SC mustangs no doubt they poop out up top the S/c starts to get tired and doesn't spin the belt but if your running at the 1/4 Track there deadly against a tastefully modded supra that does 11's at 140mph
http://www.badassride.com/videos/supra_hayabusa.wmv
I have YET to see a twin turbo stang do THAT to a busa..... go ahead, climb in your TT Cobra and race a 1000whp Poopra from a 40mph roll..... the results will be a lot worse for the stang than the busa in this video... i mean, its ONLY 1000whp.... I'd hate to see the Cobra against a 1200 or 1300whp Supra....
I am willing to put money on a race between a TT Cobra vs Single T Supra of EQUAL whp from a roll..... Supra... HANDS DOWN.
Last edited by mogallo; 05-16-2005 at 08:54 PM.
Marco is the only truely driven 8 second supra around that i know of. AAP and Titan do not drive there cars around. Tell me who else?
A lot of high hp supras are just good for top end thats all. 0-140 they would lose to a lower powered car with a better powerband.... (i.e like a turbo v8 car) but after 140 aerodynamics and gearing would let the supra walk ahead.
Mine is properly geared for the freeway...i have 3.27 gears..almost the same as a supra which has a 3.13 on a 6 speed TT. A turbo mustang doesn't need a lot of gear because the turbos make enough low end to move the car without adding a lot of torque multiplication. I would say with 3.27 rear and a 25.5 inch rear tire i could top out close to 150 mph in 4th. Also i plan to be able to run with some GSX-1000 cc bikes on the highway.
I hate to tell you but if the Supra is tuned right, a Mustang will not have a chance in the 1/4. I don't understand why people think Supra's suck in the 1/4mile.....it just doesn't make any sense.
yeah,keith fortners supra made 700 hp to the wheels and barely made into the 10s. Face it,most of them on the street are dyno queens. A lot of them are scared to put a tire on the car so they all have shitty ets and high mphs. It seems that it takes a supra 200 more hp to run the same et as a mustang or fbody.
OR they just don't have the right suspension set up or ample seat time. Power is not the only thing that equals E/T guys. Just remember that
i guess...fortner ran his car every friday night for a whole year. It must take the supra guys longer then most.OR they just don't have the right suspension set up or ample seat time. Power is not the only thing that equals E/T guys. Just remember that
I wasn't just referring to Fortner, but if you want to pick apart what I said...then so be it. I was just saying in general to everyone including Mark and Jason that power does not necessacarily mean low E/T's. Frome experience with customers, people tend to thing that with X amount of power they will be in the 10's or whatever their goal is. I have to constantly explain to them that you can't guaruatee E/T's with power alone. Sounds like I may have actually been agreeing with what YOU were saying...god forbid
cool video!
Yeah I've never seen a Mustang do that
people don't understand that overall "set ups" make big differences.
Yea, when I tell people that here, they think I'm trying to milk them for more $$$. It's hilarious!!!!
yeah, i would just give them their whp and let them deal with the rest.
This thread is so screwy.
Both cars have their pros and cons.
I work on supras and have built some nice high powered ones.Are they sick yes.Am i scared of one NO..A lot of the supra guys(chirs kinard,ivy and the others) know im not scared to push mine,i built it to be beat on..
Parts for a supra are out of this world.Break one and its gonna cost you $$$$.
Mustangs are cheap parts are cheap.Breaking it isnt gonna break the bank.
It all boils down to who has the most money to mod their cars with.
Im sure i can always add race fuel and see what mine will do then
Last edited by white99gt; 05-17-2005 at 07:41 AM.
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id still have to pull towards the mustang...cause there's no replacement for displacement...nothing can mauk the sound of a domestic v8
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Mmmk, this is just back and forth! The supra is the car I wanted for sometime now, so I finaly bought one! I have drove all kinds of stangs, camaros, EVO's, WRX's, and so on.... But I love the way a supra feels, and looks! I have done a few things to my car, and its not a dyno queen, I would rather race from a dig than a roll! I am the one that is suppose to race Barry in his ttstang! I know a lot about his car, and yes it is a well built car! Yes he is pushing a lil more than 400hp's,! He will out run me as of right now but it would be close, and I have told him that!
This topic will go back and forth, and you will never here the end of it! Both cars are fast cars, and just like it was said before, they both have there pro's and con's, just like any car! I am a car guy, and I like all cars, but its the owners that you have to watch out for! There are some supra owners that are dicks, and the same goes for any other car owner!
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thats only a FACT, doesn't mean shit. that doesn't decide which is the faster car.
hahahah Tracy, i think this isnt about the track anymore..... i know my car isnt going to run that well at the track.... there are a lot more factors than just Power when it comes to that sort of ordeal...
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