the really funny part is what trey is saying is absolutely true. Its funny but in the hands of a skilled driver a mazda 3 can out manuever an evolution stock for stock. Point of the matter is though, the c5r vettes ran for a 24 hour straight lemans race, where were the evolutions during that time? I can almost promise you that a c5r would smack the snot out of an evolution on the track, once again stock for stock. Its all in the driver, and obviously he wasnt a good driver