GTI VS SR20 VS TT RX7 + video

[benwaballs]

Damm man ur driving a VW and u dont know WTF u talking about ... APR is just a name ... look at there kit for $ 4500.00 u make only about 300 whp on full boost damm that sucks ATP is much better and cheaper.
and GT28RS i a better turbo... and u know it for about $ 3200 u can have a nice setup. I used to drive a vw A4 or MK4 call it whatever for long time i know what iam talking about... and the 1.8 T stock engine is good for 400 whp. do some research.

wow you just love to run your mouth and dont know shit, dont you? here go to http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeroforum?id=27 and reread what you THINK you know.

1st apr dosnt make 300whp it makes 290 crank hp. and 338hp on 100oct
stg 3+ makes 300whp
http://goapr.com/VW/products/tvs3_power_figures.html

2nd ATP is no were near the quality that apr is, not to mention that atp dosnt even have software for there kit! plz dont make me start breaking down each kit for you, just go read!

3rd ok smartguy so why is the atp kit better than apr? if you know so much here is your chance to shine.

I used to drive a vw A4 or MK4 call it whatever for long time i know what iam talking about

wow thats a nice statement, iam sure you do know what your talking about and i bet your A4 vw was super fast you wanna talk to me about vws and you dont even know what you drove? you really think anyone is going to take you serious about how much you know about VW when you dont know if you had an A4 or mk4 VW?

your just another shit talker that has nothing better 2 do than to act like you know something when you dont. if you dont like what you see well then you dont have to say shit.

[Jehu]

:jerkit: slow 4 an apr APR stage 3? well lets see it was tunned & installed by APR... and no you can not get 320 whp daily driving a stg3 iam already at 25psi, a stg 3+ kit will make 320-335.

atp better then apr? nuff said

25psi and less than 320? Is this typical? No disrespect as I'm not familiar with GTI's but that seems like a lot of boost for the HP.

My experience is w/ hondas but even the bastard Honda motor (B20a/B21a) would make 300hp on 15-17psi. Is this typical (the difference of Honda's vs VW's being boosted)? I have a friend with an H22 (very much built though) that's getting 420 w/ only 17psi. W/ 25psi, I'd almost expect upwards of 600...

If this is typical, what is the difference (of course, this might not be the post to discuss)?

[1439/2000]

not sure never run at a track or got her on the dyno... the apr sites video shows 12.60 at 112, but who knows. http://goapr.com/VW/products/images/Dragstrip.wmv

dyno ive talked 2 ppl claiming anywere from 250-320 but i refuse to put anything but 93oct in it. so i would be happy w/ 250-260 range. iam going to get her on a dyno soon and find out

Judging by that video you wouldnt run a mid 12. Maybe mid to low 13s with radials and a good driver. Just cause the 28r you have comes stock on an s15 silvia and it's a little small for mid 12s. I mean I've seen 240s do it but that one with just bolt ons you ran probably only puts down 250 and put up a good fight and beat you a few times.

I would just go dyno it and go to the track. Its a humbling experience.

[benwaballs]

25psi and less than 320? Is this typical? No disrespect as I'm not familiar with GTI's but that seems like a lot of boost for the HP.

My experience is w/ hondas but even the bastard Honda motor (B20a/B21a) would make 300hp on 15-17psi. Is this typical (the difference of Honda's vs VW's being boosted)? I have a friend with an H22 (very much built though) that's getting 420 w/ only 17psi. W/ 25psi, I'd almost expect upwards of 600...

If this is typical, what is the difference (of course, this might not be the post to discuss)?

yea vw is a little crazy when it comes to boost... a chipped 1.8t will hold about 19psi on the stock turbo. about 190-210whp max at 19psi yea BT setup are from the 24-25 range. ppl always freak out when i say it holds 25psi

[1439/2000]

yea vw is a little crazy when it comes to boost... a chipped 1.8t will hold about 19psi on the stock turbo. about 190-210whp max at 19psi

Oh god! That bad??

Yeah I'm guessing you put out like 230-240.

Stock SR20 with fmic and exhaust can put that down to the wheels.

Halfbaked sentra dyno'd 202 at stock boost witht those mods.

My car about the same, like 205 tq in stock trim.

Even though these are 2.0 liters 7 pounds vs 19 pounds is a big difference.

[Jehu]

yea vw is a little crazy when it comes to boost... a chipped 1.8t will hold about 19psi on the stock turbo. about 190-210whp max at 19psi yea BT setup are from the 24-25 range. ppl always freak out when i say it holds 25psi

Yeah but 25psi and only 250ish?

So 19psi and only 190-210? H22's do that w/ a few bolt ons so I guess boosting them, you just start off at a higher hp to begin with. Maybe some port and polishing would help the flow? What compression are you at?

19psi on my motor would be crazy...even w/ 9:1 compression (currently 10:1). I could probably put 7psi and easily get 300+ on my current setup (after I change my valve seals though!...and I already have turbo cams, port and polish, and forged rods)

[benwaballs]

Judging by that video you wouldnt run a mid 12. Maybe mid to low 13s with radials and a good driver. Just cause the 28r you have comes stock on an s15 silvia and it's a little small for mid 12s. I mean I've seen 240s do it but that one with just bolt ons you ran probably only puts down 250 and put up a good fight and beat you a few times.

I would just go dyno it and go to the track. Its a humbling experience.

not sure and really dont care about 1/4.. i dont ever plan on running her at the track i dont even really launch her. iam not trying to break anything. its just so if i need the power it is there. she gets up and goes and thats all that matters.

the gt28r from apr isn't stock. the a/r has been changed as well as the wastegate.

[4dmin]

if i'm not mistaken the stock 1.8t run about 6-8psi, chipped 14-18psi spiking at 20-25psi... personally i'm not impressed by the numbers w/ the stage III i would be expecting more for that money, i plan on making 300whp w/ a ko4 when i do it and possibly 300lbs w/ my k03... but then again i use GIAC and not APR

i think i read 400whp on a stock engine,,,, is it possible yes, will it last - lol

[bambooi]

Hey guys overall boost number doesn't matter. It is the compression ratio and turbo size that you should take account for. Of course a factory turbo car has lower compression and you can't compare that to a factory n/a car w/ a turbo added.

18psi on top speed's hi reading dyno gave me 274awhp.

[IntegraXTR]

nice vid, I like that GTi

[benwaballs]

if i'm not mistaken the stock 1.8t run about 6-8psi, chipped 14-18psi spiking at 20-25psi... personally i'm not impressed by the numbers w/ the stage III i would be expecting more for that money, i plan on making 300whp w/ a ko4 when i do it and possibly 300lbs w/ my k03... but then again i use GIAC and not APR

i think i read 400whp on a stock engine,,,, is it possible yes, will it last - lol

300whp w/ a k04? sry but that is not possible unless you plan on using nos & building your bottom end. trust me i would rather pay 800 dollars for a k04 that puts down 300whp but thats not going to happen. apr stage3+ just puts over 300whp.

max i have ever seen an k04-020 put down is 245 (110oct). most k04's ive seen put from 205-225whp dont know were you plan on finding 70 more whp but when you do let me know.

also i have over 15,000 miles on this turbo kit running at 25psi and it is my daily driver! and have a friend w/ over 40,000k on his. and have had zero problems w/ it! the R&D that apr has put in is well worth the price 2 me! if you dont like how much i paid i dont give a fuck! when you get your k04 call me and we will race

[benwaballs]

nice vid, I like that GTi

thank u

[b0ki]

wow you just love to run your mouth and dont know shit, dont you? here go to http://forums.vwvortex.com/zeroforum?id=27 and reread what you THINK you know.

1st apr dosnt make 300whp it makes 290 crank hp. and 338hp on 100oct
stg 3+ makes 300whp
http://goapr.com/VW/products/tvs3_power_figures.html

2nd ATP is no were near the quality that apr is, not to mention that atp dosnt even have software for there kit! plz dont make me start breaking down each kit for you, just go read!

3rd ok smartguy so why is the atp kit better than apr? if you know so much here is your chance to shine.



wow thats a nice statement, iam sure you do know what your talking about and i bet your A4 vw was super fast you wanna talk to me about vws and you dont even know what you drove? you really think anyone is going to take you serious about how much you know about VW when you dont know if you had an A4 or mk4 VW?

your just another shit talker that has nothing better 2 do than to act like you know something when you dont. if you dont like what you see well then you dont have to say shit.

HAHAHAH look man ... A4 or MK4 Is the same shit... when i say A4 i dont mean AUDI A4 hahaha in Germany u call it A4 in the USA u would call the 00-05 GTI/GOLF/JETTA MK4 .. .. so get u shit straight and YES I know what iam talking about ATP .. no software ? HA HA HA u can get it ... for extra but is not that great that’s why u go with REVO ccccc, What iam trying to say is for the money that u pay for APR kit... u can get a ATP kit with revo or ATP software ... much cheaper ATP :.. , more power , better turbo charger . . end of the story . and if u wanna talk about German cars.. we can talk all the long and i can be ur teacher.

[b0ki]

if i'm not mistaken the stock 1.8t run about 6-8psi, chipped 14-18psi spiking at 20-25psi... personally i'm not impressed by the numbers w/ the stage III i would be expecting more for that money, i plan on making 300whp w/ a ko4 when i do it and possibly 300lbs w/ my k03... but then again i use GIAC and not APR

i think i read 400whp on a stock engine,,,, is it possible yes, will it last - lol

Yes u r right good i dont use APR they cost a lot and dont put any great # GIAC X+ is the best chip out there ... i think so.... my old GTI was flashed by GIAC X+ by passing N75 and 3' in GHL TB i was putting 235 WHP and 280 tq Spiking 25 psi and holding about 23 PSI to the redline... put to do all that u have to by pass the N75 and use a MBC.

[4dmin]

300whp w/ a k04? sry but that is not possible unless you plan on using nos & building your bottom end. trust me i would rather pay 800 dollars for a k04 that puts down 300whp but thats not going to happen. apr stage3+ just puts over 300whp.

max i have ever seen an k04-020 put down is 245 (110oct). most k04's ive seen put from 205-225whp dont know were you plan on finding 70 more whp but when you do let me know.

also i have over 15,000 miles on this turbo kit running at 25psi and it is my daily driver! and have a friend w/ over 40,000k on his. and have had zero problems w/ it! the R&D that apr has put in is well worth the price 2 me! if you dont like how much i paid i dont give a fuck! when you get your k04 call me and we will race

dude chill, i personally don't give a shit how much you spent, but i don't think it is worth it for the money - IMO - i'm not knocking your ride, mad respect 300whp on a 1.8t deserves respect anyway.

well i made 200whp/245lbs on 93oct GIAC chip alone - greg c. said he got 210whp/265whp on apr chip alone... so you do the math w/ everything possible that can be done to these cars... you can certainly make torque, it is an awful high number for hp but not impossible w/ the right tuning...

we will certainly see in the next season to come... i plan on maxing out the k03 to numbers hopefully not seen yet at both the track/dyno - then i'll be moving up to a k04.

[b0ki]

Yeah but 25psi and only 250ish?

So 19psi and only 190-210? H22's do that w/ a few bolt ons so I guess boosting them, you just start off at a higher hp to begin with. Maybe some port and polishing would help the flow? What compression are you at?

19psi on my motor would be crazy...even w/ 9:1 compression (currently 10:1). I could probably put 7psi and easily get 300+ on my current setup (after I change my valve seals though!...and I already have turbo cams, port and polish, and forged rods)

GTI stock turbo is very very very small...KO3

[Speedm0(\)key]

man.. FUCK BATLGROUND

[benwaballs]

HAHAHAH look man ... A4 or MK4 Is the same shit... when i say A4 i dont mean AUDI A4 hahaha in Germany u call it A4 in the USA u would call the 00-05 GTI/GOLF/JETTA MK4 .. .. so get u shit straight and YES I know what iam talking about ATP .. no software ? HA HA HA u can get it ... for extra but is not that great that’s why u go with REVO ccccc, What iam trying to say is for the money that u pay for APR kit... u can get a ATP kit with revo or ATP software ... much cheaper ATP :.. , more power , better turbo charger . . end of the story . and if u wanna talk about German cars.. we can talk all the long and i can be ur teacher.

a4 mk4 it isnt the same shit... and were not in germany so its a mk4. and if you know so much you should know the diff. and as far as atp vs apr, well since you didnt have ether on your A4 it really dosnt matter.

i am done w/ your shit talking...

[Speedm0(\)key]

how about we all just befriend each other.. and shake hands..

and scream "FUCK BATLGROUND!"

[benwaballs]

how about we all just befriend each other.. and shake hands..

yea fuck it... iam cool i guess iam just letting ppl get under my skin, ppl have a right to think what they like! i didnt mean no harm. what ever its just cars you dont have to like what i have! 2 german cars

[4dmin]

yea fuck it... iam cool i guess iam just letting ppl get under my skin, ppl have a right to think what they like! i didnt mean no harm. what ever its just cars you dont have to like what i have! 2 german cars

werd by the way i definately am up for a run when the car is done

[Speedm0(\)key]

werd by the way i definately am up for a run when the car is done

you never ran the 350z paul... you hurt my feelings

[4dmin]

^ you coming out to the drift event on sat... maybe we can play afterward

i'm always up for a run or two were you hang

[Speedm0(\)key]

^ you coming out to the drift event on sat... maybe we can play afterward

i'm always up for a run or two were you hang

you still running what you had when you raced the STi?, im not going to make that event.. im gonna have to work *sigh* , it sucks.. however i can meet ya up or something.

[4dmin]

you still running what you had when you raced the STi?, im not going to make that event.. im gonna have to work *sigh* , it sucks.. however i can meet ya up or something.

well i raced a wrx, but i got some more goodies since then, but still have less then what your car comes w/ stock

[b0ki]

A4 and MK4 is the same shit .... i used to live in germany for 7 years i know what iam talking about ....bla blaaa

[1439/2000]

A4 and MK4 is the same shit .... i used to live in germany for 7 years i know what iam talking about ....bla blaaa

???

[run4cover]

I was at montgomery last weekend...

well...if you seen the black guy under that big black and tan umbrella, that would have been moi .....we need to hook up, I want to check out that SE-r....your car wouldn't happen to actually be white, would it? Or is that it in your sig?

[4dmin]

A4 and MK4 is the same shit .... i used to live in germany for 7 years i know what iam talking about ....bla blaaa

A1-A4 deal w/ the chaisis... you don't hear that term unless you are talking w/ older VW guys.

[HalfBaked]

well...if you seen the black guy under that big black and tan umbrella, that would have been moi .....we need to hook up, I want to check out that SE-r....your car wouldn't happen to actually be white, would it? Or is that it in your sig?

Yea my car is white.

[run4cover]

Yea my car is white.

ok...think i seen you one night in kennesaw.

[HalfBaked]

ok...think i seen you one night in kennesaw.

There are 2 white turbo se-rs in kennesaw.

1 is a black guy
the other is a really scrawny white kid (aka me.)

[run4cover]

probably similar/slightly superior to Nyteryders if he was running on street tires

sounds like a regular bolt-on sr20det with an s-14 turbo....what makes you think that car is similar/slightly superior to nyteryder's setup?

From what I know about nyteryder's setup, it's capable of putting him in mid to low 11's with traction (pending a few more bolt-ons)...but I'm not going into detail about all that, maybe he's keeping quiet for a reason.

Lots of people have the sr20 turbos all misconstrued....lemme help yall..

s13 turbo....smallest of the bunch, T25...good for ~250rwhp max

s14 and s15...t28..not gt28r's....good to ~290rwhp max

Rnn14 GTI-R....t28 with .86 a/r turbine....good to ~300rwhp

Gt28r...disco potato t28 based turbo...good for low 300'swhp

Nyteryder's turbo.....none of the above....good for..well...

these figures are not gospel, but general averages...some people make more hp, some less.....take me for instance...I only make 237rwhp with my t25 @ 15psi...I could probably squeeze another 13rwhp out by bumping timing and running 17psi, but why?

Ok...class dismissed.

[HalfBaked]

I'm on a t25.

It is small and really lacks power.

[Speedm0(\)key]

sounds like a regular bolt-on sr20det with an s-14 turbo....what makes you think that car is similar/slightly superior to nyteryder's setup?

From what I know about nyteryder's setup, it's capable of putting him in mid to low 11's with traction (pending a few more bolt-ons)...but I'm not going into detail about all that, maybe he's keeping quiet for a reason.

Lots of people have the sr20 turbos all misconstrued....lemme help yall..

s13 turbo....smallest of the bunch, T25...good for ~250rwhp max

s14 and s15...t28..not gt28r's....good to ~290rwhp max

Rnn14 GTI-R....t28 with .86 a/r turbine....good to ~300rwhp

Gt28r...disco potato t28 based turbo...good for low 300'swhp

Nyteryder's turbo.....none of the above....good for..well...

these figures are not gospel, but general averages...some people make more hp, some less.....take me for instance...I only make 237rwhp with my t25 @ 15psi...I could probably squeeze another 13rwhp out by bumping timing and running 17psi, but why?

Ok...class dismissed.

well, i see, thanks sir.

Nyteryder i beleive ran 12.9 on street tires(crappy traction). thats why i said maybe it similar to his. but you're right i dont know much about those motors/turbos

[run4cover]

well, i see, thanks sir.

Nyteryder i beleive ran 12.9 on street tires(crappy traction). thats why i said maybe it similar to his. but you're right i dont know much about those motors/turbos

no problemo....i screwed up on the disco potato turbo...it's a gt28rs....gt28r could be an s15 or 2871 turbo....big difference between the two

garrett needs to come up with some more acronyms

[run4cover]

There are 2 white turbo se-rs in kennesaw.

1 is a black guy
the other is a really scrawny white kid (aka me.)

I remembered seeing the white se-r and someone mentioned it had a swap...don't recall who was driving it though.....doesn't matter, we're all in the same family

[HalfBaked]

I remembered seeing the white se-r and someone mentioned it had a swap...don't recall who was driving it though.....doesn't matter, we're all in the same family

Yea there is no big difference between his car and mine...

except mine is faster.