Callout NEMOTEN

[SmackedInATL]

Since I declined your BULLSHIT "terms" since you have NO CLUE what its like to drive a car with power and torque.

How about run what you brung for $100 Friday night. Don't ask me to remove parts off my car as I wouldn't ask you to.

Simple yes or no will do. I won't talk shit to you in this thread. You are such a man to call out a superior vehicle to yours, so show me what you got on the track. I'm sick of people who can't afford tires asking me to bend down to their level.

[SmackedInATL]

This call out is to prove a point that stupid ricers calling out superior vehicles is a never ending circle.

[Lankhoss]

FWD cars have horrible traction, too, Smacked.

The difference though, is a high LOW END TORQUE car has much worse traction than a car with a similar p:w ratio but with no low end torque. Torque is usually what makes you break traction more than horsepower.

[NEMO]

i will accept but only for $40. i will race ne one because i love doing it.

[SmackedInATL]

FWD cars have horrible traction, too, Smacked.

The difference though, is a high LOW END TORQUE car has much worse traction than a car with a similar p:w ratio but with no low end torque. Torque is usually what makes you break traction more than horsepower.

Lank don't lecture me with your "street dyno" bullshit. I don't give a fuck about your "street lessons". It is simple, run what you brung, I don't need to hear the science behind the shit. Got damn.

[Tech5]

Does this make you look better by declining his call out and making your own with your rules?


Bahahahhaha

[Tech5]

Lank don't lecture me with your "street dyno" bullshit. I don't give a fuck about your "street lessons". It is simple, run what you brung, I don't need to hear the science behind the shit. Got damn.

then why did you need to see his 8 sec time sheet

[NEMO]

Does this make you look better by declining his call out and making your own with your rules?


Bahahahhaha

tell me about it
and he didnt think i would accept. only thing is only for $40

[SmackedInATL]

I didn't make any "terms" on this callout. Its simple. Run what you brung.

[Lankhoss]

No, it's not simple

Your 3500lb car with 460rwhp is going to have the same p:w as a 1750lb car with 230whp. The difference between the two is, I am willing to bet that you would have FAR MORE low end torque than a 4cyl motor making 230whp. So, with a RWD 1750lb car making 230hp (same power:weight as you), I'd still bet that you would have worse traction as your torque coming out of the hole would be far higher.

Of course, there are a ton of different factors such as suspension and front/rear weight bias, etc....but with all things being perfectly equal, the higher TORQUE car is going to have more traction issues than the lower torque car (with the same horsepower).

That is typically why V8's have bad traction issues, not necessarily because of the power they make.

[Tech5]

No, it's not simple

Your 3500lb car with 460rwhp is going to have the same p:w as a 1750lb car with 230whp. The difference between the two is, I am willing to bet that you would have FAR MORE low end torque than a 4cyl motor making 230whp. So, with a RWD 1750lb car making 230hp (same power:weight as you), I'd still bet that you would have worse traction as your torque coming out of the hole would be far higher.

Of course, there are a ton of different factors such as suspension and front/rear weight bias, etc....but with all things being perfectly equal, the higher TORQUE car is going to have more traction issues than the lower torque car (with the same horsepower).

That is typically why V8's have bad traction issues, not necessarily because of the power they make.

great post

[NEMO]

but im 2150lbs and only 180hp

[NEMO]

so run what you brung friday ams $40 ?

[DSGMach1]

Since I declined your BULLSHIT "terms" since you have NO CLUE what its like to drive a car with power and torque.

How about run what you brung for $100 Friday night. Don't ask me to remove parts off my car as I wouldn't ask you to.

Simple yes or no will do. I won't talk shit to you in this thread. You are such a man to call out a superior vehicle to yours, so show me what you got on the track. I'm sick of people who can't afford tires asking me to bend down to their level.

Who ever said nemo couldn't afford tires??

[fisher]

Lank don't lecture me with your "street dyno" bullshit. I don't give a fuck about your "street lessons". It is simple, run what you brung, I don't need to hear the science behind the shit. Got damn.

damn dude why are you getting ill with lank i always like reading his posts

[Lankhoss]

I don't think he's getting ill with me, I think he's just a little irritated and is basically telling me that what I say isn't going to change his mood

[NEMO]

Who ever said nemo couldn't afford tires??

lol

[Kason23]

No, it's not simple

Your 3500lb car with 460rwhp is going to have the same p:w as a 1750lb car with 230whp. The difference between the two is, I am willing to bet that you would have FAR MORE low end torque than a 4cyl motor making 230whp. So, with a RWD 1750lb car making 230hp (same power:weight as you), I'd still bet that you would have worse traction as your torque coming out of the hole would be far higher.

Of course, there are a ton of different factors such as suspension and front/rear weight bias, etc....but with all things being perfectly equal, the higher TORQUE car is going to have more traction issues than the lower torque car (with the same horsepower).

That is typically why V8's have bad traction issues, not necessarily because of the power they make.

Or really High/low end tq 4 cylinders lol. traction is a bitch even on DR's.. I think you guys need to go to SDR since I am going there friday and I can watch

[stillaneon]

Or really High/low end tq 4 cylinders lol. traction is a bitch even on DR's.. I think you guys need to go to SDR since I am going there friday and I can watch

I was about to point out that Traction sucks even at under 300 hp for me.

[btstone]

I was about to point out that Traction sucks even at under 300 hp for me.

yeah but the configuration of the neon motors give them A LOT more tq than the avg 4-cyl

[iEvo]

FWD cars have horrible traction, too, Smacked.

The difference though, is a high LOW END TORQUE car has much worse traction than a car with a similar p:w ratio but with no low end torque. Torque is usually what makes you break traction more than horsepower.

torque IS what breaks the tires loose. torque is a measurement of twisting force while hp is work done over a period of time. im not going into all this just clarifying Lank

[Lankhoss]

I was about to point out that Traction sucks even at under 300 hp for me.

That's because you are FWD, on smaller tires and wheels, and weigh quite a bit less than Smacked. What is your car....2900lbs? (I really don't know much about Neons, so correct me where I'm wrong).

Smacked has a 3500lb RWD car, which is probably on 17 X 10.5" wheels, and he has drag radials for street tires I believe. That setup is a LOT better for traction than your car is, before we start talking about horsepower and torque.

[Lankhoss]

torque IS what breaks the tires loose. torque is a measurement of twisting force while hp is work done over a period of time. im not going into all this just clarifying Lank

Yes, you are right. What I meant was.....a car that makes 400rwtq at 2000 RPMs will break loose easier than a car that weighs half as much and only makes 100 - 150rwtq at 2000 RPMs.

[iEvo]

Yes, you are right. What I meant was.....a car that makes 400rwtq at 2000 RPMs will break loose easier than a car that weighs half as much and only makes 100 - 150rwtq at 2000 RPMs.

thats gettin down to mathmatical equations. yes i see what ur sayin though, but there is going to be a point where both cars would be equal but i really dont care enought to figure out what thoes numbers r.

[NEMO]

so i accept with the change of $100 to just $40 and no response?

[stillaneon]

That's because you are FWD, on smaller tires and wheels, and weigh quite a bit less than Smacked. What is your car....2900lbs? (I really don't know much about Neons, so correct me where I'm wrong).

Smacked has a 3500lb RWD car, which is probably on 17 X 10.5" wheels, and he has drag radials for street tires I believe. That setup is a LOT better for traction than your car is, before we start talking about horsepower and torque.

Yeah 2900 lbs.

Plus a 300 lb box in the back and my 280 lb ass and dynomat.

Our cars weigh the same.

He just has more torque and power than I do.

We are both lowered. If he has 17s then our tires are close as well.

[btstone]

Tq is really only a factor down low.....once past 80 or so its all HP...if u have more than you will pull

[Kason23]

oh no if he is running 10.5 inchers he has way more tire on the ground then us lol

[iEvo]

Tq is really only a factor down low.....once past 80 or so its all HP...if u have more than you will pull

false... u just "feel" the TQ down low. it doesnt just go away

[btstone]

false...

false with no explanation..sounds like a dumbass

did i say anything about it going away you bitch

[iEvo]

i just gave u one read again

[iEvo]

Tq is really only a factor down low.....once past 80 or so its all HP...if u have more than you will pull

false with no explanation..sounds like a dumbass


did i say anything about it going away you bitch

yes u did......

[stillaneon]

oh no if he is running 10.5 inchers he has way more tire on the ground then us lol

about 2.5 to 3 maybe.

I cant remember how wide these tires are.

I'm just stating that I have just as many issues with Traction as Aaron does, if not more because I am FWD with a substancial amount of torque

[btstone]

Tq is really only a factor down low.....once past 80 or so its all HP...if u have more than you will pull

yea...i see it

fucking idiot

[iEvo]

about 2.5 to 3 maybe.

I cant remember how wide these tires are.

I'm just stating that I have just as many issues with Traction as Aaron does, if not more because I am FWD with a substancial amount of torque

well along with smacked's mods, i see him hookin up easier then u would.

[iEvo]

yea...i see it

fucking idiot

did u just call urself an idiot?

[btstone]

did u just call urself an idiot?

LOL

keep typring

[stillaneon]

did u just call urself an idiot?

Did you just misspell "yourself"?

[btstone]

did u just call urself an idiot?

i also see you shit about cars...so i am enjoying you explain how the race is gonna work.

how tq will i use on you i wonder?

[iEvo]

i also see you shit about cars...so i am enjoying you explain how the race is gonna work.

how tq will i use on you i wonder?

i also make since when i say things...