oh ok.. and yea ive been learning the basic doing small to big donuts.. thats how alot of racers started, take a cone put it in the middle of a lot do small donuts and as u get better u are able to do bigger and bigger ones.. wich i have been doing.. i try drifting sometimes as well.. but lack of power keep me from th actual thing.. but im learning.. autocross was my next step but theres never any..Originally Posted by matthewAPM