nah... from Pleasant Hill... its only 45min to the mountains.. and thats just normal driving.... i did it one night. It doent take that much gas to get there... i also fill up at the end of 400.. so i know fo-sho that i wont be coasting down the mountain I'm really up for getting some people together for a run up there one night.... it really is worth it.... the roads are all yours at 1am on a sat morning/fri night.