CALLOUT: Mr. Boki

[d993s]

Easy there turbo with the cheap camaro talk! My $10grand camaro will have no problem walking that $50g bmw! Add this up, $10g camaro +$25g in mod's =$35G total for 1000fwhp. $50g bmw+$2g in mod's=$52g for 500fwhp. Who is the dumb redneck now??????

Camaros can obviously made made fast, and they are cheap. They are built with 1/4 mile potential in mind, and not much else. That's just how it is. Sure, you can invest $ in one and make it handle and brake, but that's like trying to turn a whore into a housewife, and you'll never get the full effect.
No offense but they are cheap, single purpose cars and besides straight line acceleration, cannot be compared to a BMW M3 Comp.
Everyone knows that the M3 was not even made for the 1/4 mile, but even so it's still competetive at some levels.

[Hunter02SS]

Camaros can obviously made made fast, and they are cheap. They are built with 1/4 mile potential in mind, and not much else. That's just how it is. Sure, you can invest $ in one and make it handle and brake, but that's like trying to turn a whore into a housewife, and you'll never get the full effect.
No offense but they are cheap, single purpose cars and besides straight line acceleration, cannot be compared to a BMW M3 Comp.
Everyone knows that the M3 was not even made for the 1/4 mile, but even so it's still competetive at some levels.

What you have just is is contradicting.
You say you can invest in making a camaro handle and brake.
That's like investing in a bmw to make it faster in a straight line!
They are 2 different car's for different purposes from the factory and even the aftermarket world! This whole comparison thing got started by saying camaro's are cheap.I really don't see many BMW's on the Barret Jackson block going for $250,000 or more.That's a different story. All in all I like my cheap camaro,because I outperform your high dollar BMW!

[d993s]

What you have just is is contradicting.
You say you can invest in making a camaro handle and brake.
That's like investing in a bmw to make it faster in a straight line!
They are 2 different car's for different purposes from the factory and even the aftermarket world! This whole comparison thing got started by saying camaro's are cheap.I really don't see many BMW's on the Barret Jackson block going for $250,000 or more.That's a different story. All in all I like my cheap camaro,because I outperform your high dollar BMW!

I don't have a BMW right now, only Audis and Porsches, sorry. I can certainly afford Camaros, but they don't offer enough driving satisfaction as compared to most other import performance cars. Straight line is not everything. Sure they provide a lot of straight line performance for the $, but what else? Looks? Braking? Handling? High speed stability? Chick magnet? Sure, maybe in a trailer park.
Yeah, I know '69 Camaro SSs and some others go for over $250k, but so do 507s and some other rare BMWs.
Different approaches can be taken with any car, no matter what they were originally designed for, and that's obvious so I don't see what you mean by what I said as being contradicting.
But, refer back to my "whore into a housewife" comment. Is it always worth it trying to prove that you can do this or that with this car or that car?

[Psycho]

Sure, you can invest $ in one and make it handle and brake, but that's like trying to turn a whore into a housewife, and you'll never get the full effect.

This statement has the be the single greatest achievement of 2007. You, sir, deserve a medal.

[OnURleft]

What you have just is is contradicting.
You say you can invest in making a camaro handle and brake.
That's like investing in a bmw to make it faster in a straight line!
They are 2 different car's for different purposes from the factory and even the aftermarket world! This whole comparison thing got started by saying camaro's are cheap.I really don't see many BMW's on the Barret Jackson block going for $250,000 or more.That's a different story. All in all I like my cheap camaro,because I outperform your high dollar BMW!

Hey man. In all seriousness would you like to come to an SCCA track day or autcross with some people to see what it can do against some "expensive bmw's". I'd love to see your ride out there for kicks, weither it does good or bad it will be fun. After all, the better car should perform in all aspects. Correct? It'll run you a membership fee and about 45 bucks per event. I'm sure you'll find that the hundreds of BMW owners out there arn't pricks and have spent 15k< on the entire set ups. I.m.o using bmw's as an "expensive car" to compare your's to is a bad comparison becuase BMW's are relatively cheap, and the cheapest among its main European rivals. Most of the BMW's that can stack up with your camero are cheap E30's, E34's and E36's that were no more then your car to build anyhow. The E46 M like Boris' (which go for around 25k from 01-05) are simply to new to really be running with cars that have had an aftermarket since the 90's. However, there is the first "built" turbo kit comming out w/ about 850-900whp on race gas for about 22k.

[d993s]

The E46 M like Boris' (which go for around 25k from 01-05) are to new to really be running with cars that have had an aftermarket since the 90's.

Actually, for $25k you will only find a few high mileage '01 M3s which cost $46k new.
Boris' car is a '05 Competition, which sold new for $54k. Used '05-'06 Competition M3s go for $45k-$60k; look them up on Autotrader.com.

[Hunter02SS]

Yes,I would love to go to a track day!I never said all bmw owner's were prick's,just this particular guy.This whole thing got started by calling a camaro cheap.That's all. Bmw's are cheap to! They are all piece's of aluminum,rubber and steel,plastic molded to create a automobile!They all are the worst investment you can purchase when purchasing new!Theorectically,all car's are cheap.i can race your race and you race my race,and you might be surprised at my cheap camaro!

[Psycho]

They all are the worst investment you can purchase when purchasing new!

Yes, seeing as how American cars hold their value so well.

[OnURleft]

Actually, for $25k you will only find a few high mileage '01 M3s which cost $46k new.
Boris' car is a '05 Competition, which sold new for $54k. Used '05-'06 Competition M3s go for $45k-$60k; look them up on Autotrader.com.

Well if your talking new then how much did a new Camero go for? 33K? Just a guess. That means 33k+25k in mods = 58k vs 54k M3 + 4 grand in mods =58k.. Its easily obtainable to find one with for 25k with less<60k and one's with 80,90,100k for around 20-22. I know this because i'm helping a friend find an 02 and the two i've looked at locally are 21k (with 90k, nav, loaded) and 24k and its a vert with 64k. Most competitions that are being sold are in the low 30's, with 06's holding there value extremely well (those are the expensive ones).

Yes,I would love to go to a track day!I never said all bmw owner's were prick's,just this particular guy.This whole thing got started by calling a camaro cheap.That's all. Bmw's are cheap to! They are all piece's of aluminum,rubber and steel,plastic molded to create a automobile!They all are the worst investment you can purchase when purchasing new!Theorectically,all car's are cheap.i can race your race and you race my race,and you might be surprised at my cheap camaro!

I know I never called your car cheap, I love Camaro's. I love ALL cars..as all cars can provide some mode of FUN and thats what i'm in it for. You give me an autocross course and a RWD Mazda MPV mini-van and I will show you fun! haha. I don't care what it is. Anything you buy new is a bad investment period. However, a BMW's typically hold their value better than most of the competiton. I'll see what I can organize for a track day, and not Little Talladega stuff. The season's over for now but i'll give you a heads up on an autocross event or even a D.E for the beginners.
p.s Rafa is a great guy. Not a prick at all. It's just hard to tell someones intentions from online words.

[RandomGuy]

Easy there turbo with the cheap camaro talk! My $10grand camaro will have no problem walking that $50g bmw! Add this up, $10g camaro +$25g in mod's =$35G total for 1000fwhp. $50g bmw+$2g in mod's=$52g for 500fwhp. Who is the dumb redneck now??????

w00t 1000 front wheel hp must be awesome in a camaro!

[Psycho]

w00t 1000 front wheel hp must be awesome in a camaro!

LMAO I didn't notice that **** until you posted this.

It's gonna cost a little more than $2k to convert an M3 to front wheel drive, Hunter.

[onebadgt]

im sure he means flywheel hp lol

[3.5altman]

oh my gay. once agian back to topic! Aight greg and boris i will see ya'll soon, gets these runs done homie

[b0ki]

haha you guys are stupid....the only reason to make camaros fast for cheap because is DOMASTIC and everything cost less... same thing u go to germany u see high power bmw because they are domestic cars there and **** is cheaper.. I think is still amezing that my little I6 3.2 that is met to be N/A motor can stick with a big V8 and i dont have head work done or cams ! and it will take boost no problem over 600 rwhp.. on stock motor.....


u wanna talk about cheap ? I can buy a E30 which is still A BMW and for 10 K put over 800 rwhp on that little car easy.... so like rafa said u cant compare apples with bananas .....

It just depends what u wanna do ....i make enough money that i can afforded a 05 M3 comp and modified and boost it and make over 800 RWHP...

[b0ki]

I don't have a BMW right now, only Audis and Porsches, sorry. I can certainly afford Camaros, but they don't offer enough driving satisfaction as compared to most other import performance cars. Straight line is not everything. Sure they provide a lot of straight line performance for the $, but what else? Looks? Braking? Handling? High speed stability? Chick magnet? Sure, maybe in a trailer park.
Yeah, I know '69 Camaro SSs and some others go for over $250k, but so do 507s and some other rare BMWs.
Different approaches can be taken with any car, no matter what they were originally designed for, and that's obvious so I don't see what you mean by what I said as being contradicting.
But, refer back to my "whore into a housewife" comment. Is it always worth it trying to prove that you can do this or that with this car or that car?

Whore into a housewife hAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[Stol3n]

any car can be made to do anything, it's all a matter of how much money you want to spend. every car has it's own platform and it will be strong in some areas and weak in others. that's why we have an aftermarket. while a bmw can be made a good track car, the car will not drive itself. the driver is the most important mod of any car. so, be careful calling out a domestic straight line car because a well driven one with a ballsy driver just might show you his tail lights. different strokes for different folks. i personally care nothing about racing my z06 on a road course but it would be fun to go and watch a few models of all sorts battle it out. :boobies:

[Retro]

f@ck all this sh!t talkin, when are the runs going down fri. or sat? cause i wanna come out and bust some a$$! lol

[3.5altman]

f@ck all this sh!t talkin, when are the runs going down fri. or sat? cause i wanna come out and bust some a$$! lol

Thank you retro! great minds think alike

[99SVT]

are ya'll going to race or not?

[xtrmn8r]

You can do anything you want with any car.It does not matter if it's a import or domestic...

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[b0ki]

You can do anything you want with any car.It does not matter if it's a import or domestic...

www.bmwturbo328.com/car/993.wmv

ahhh sleeper

[OnURleft]

You can do anything you want with any car.It does not matter if it's a import or domestic...

www.bmwturbo328.com/car/993.wmv

Yeah that's Ulysses' car, he's a cool guy. He made that pass with a 1.7 60ft on an 8" wide rim on only 29lbs. The car can boost 35+lbs and is on the lil' 2.8 bottom end. I can't wait to see what it runs with some grip! Incredible and a huge sleeper but keep in mind they've been running 8's and 9's in Europe in E36's, E30's, E34's for yeaars..That is the second street legal 9 second E36 is the United States and he made that pass last weekend. It's much easier for domestics to get faster first with any car (most of the time)