Volvo VS new M5

[RJ's325ITS]

now that is just plain retarded.... a car with more WHEEL HP by over 100 that weights A LOT less(like 1000 pounds)... got beat by the M... not gonna happen.

What?

[R_Rated]

What?

you said you seen a stock M5 beat a 600+whp porsche.... will never happen. the M5 weight 1000 pounds more and has over 100 less bhp than the porsche has whp.

[RJ's325ITS]

you said you seen a stock M5 beat a 600+whp porsche.... will never happen. the M5 weight 1000 pounds more and has over 100 less bhp than the porsche has whp.

Ok here are 2 video of a stock M5 vs. a Gallardo and a 510hp porsche. I couldn't find the one with the Moded M5 and the porshe....

The M5 here is dead even w/the Gallardo.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...o+Vs+E60&hl=en


And here again dead even w/the Porsche.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...e+Vs+E60&hl=en

[Bruce Leroy]

Ok here are 2 video of a stock M5 vs. a Gallardo and a 510hp porsche. I couldn't find the one with the Moded M5 and the porshe....

The M5 here is dead even w/the Gallardo.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...o+Vs+E60&hl=en


And here again dead even w/the Porsche.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...e+Vs+E60&hl=en

OK so if the stock m5 lost to a 510 hp porsche, how could it beat a 600 WHP 911???

[RJ's325ITS]

OK so if the stock m5 lost to a 510 hp porsche, how could it beat a 600 WHP 911???

Ok this will be very hard for you to understand but BMW are known to do a lot w/ so little power.... my friend's M3 w/ 215rwtq tags a long w/a 370+whp SR-T 4..... I taged a long with a 600whp+ porsche in the turns on pump gas that's only 340rwtq.

There is more that meets the eye. Like engine to tranny efficiency, tq curve and aerodynamics... In all the above the M5 chassis has proven superior by taging a long with a Gallardo. And the M5 power plant has shown that in a stock form has a lot to give, imagine when you fine tune the DME for raw power and not gas efficiency nor driveability.. add to the equation some aggresive cams and open exhaust and then you get the ultimate sedan.

By the way E60 M5 dyno at 424whp 311wtq vs a 510 car I think is ok to lose by a car...

[R_Rated]

Ok this will be very hard for you to understand but BMW are known to do a lot w/ so little power.... my friend's M3 w/ 215rwtq tags a long w/a 370+whp SR-T 4..... I taged a long with a 600whp+ porsche in the turns on pump gas that's only 340rwtq.

There is more that meets the eye. Like engine to tranny efficiency, tq curve and aerodynamics... In all the above the M5 chassis has proven superior by taging a long with a Gallardo. And the M5 power plant has shown that in a stock form has a lot to give, imagine when you fine tune the DME for raw power and not gas efficiency nor driveability.. add to the equation some aggresive cams and open exhaust and then you get the ultimate sedan.

By the way E60 M5 dyno at 424whp 311wtq vs a 510 car I think is ok to lose by a car...

sorry bro but.... the M5 LOST to the 510 hp porsche... THE M5 LOST... so how is it gonna beat a more powerful porsche?

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the M...

[LT1UltraZ]

sorry bro but.... the M5 LOST to the 510 hp porsche... THE M5 LOST... so how is it gonna beat a more powerful porsche?

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the M...

dont waste your time arguing with RJ's325ITS He might challenge you to a run in da twisties to show you how superior his BMW is over your car lol

[RJ's325ITS]

sorry bro but.... the M5 LOST to the 510 hp porsche... THE M5 LOST... so how is it gonna beat a more powerful porsche?

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the M...

Well the prosche won that race indeed, allthough a one car leng in a drag race is about 100lbs difference. Also a set of lighter wheels will take care of that since 5 to 10lbs rotational mass lighter will increase acceleration a lot.

Besides if you read me post I said a mod M5, the M5 of the video was stock.

[Bruce Leroy]

Ok this will be very hard for you to understand but BMW are known to do a lot w/ so little power.... my friend's M3 w/ 215rwtq tags a long w/a 370+whp SR-T 4..... I taged a long with a 600whp+ porsche in the turns on pump gas that's only 340rwtq.

There is more that meets the eye. Like engine to tranny efficiency, tq curve and aerodynamics... In all the above the M5 chassis has proven superior by taging a long with a Gallardo. And the M5 power plant has shown that in a stock form has a lot to give, imagine when you fine tune the DME for raw power and not gas efficiency nor driveability.. add to the equation some aggresive cams and open exhaust and then you get the ultimate sedan.

By the way E60 M5 dyno at 424whp 311wtq vs a 510 car I think is ok to lose by a car...

I completly understand what you are saying. BMW's are great and they do ALOT wih not as hp as other cars, but it still dosesn't make sense to me that a stock m5 would beat a 600 WHP porsche. When I see a video then I will believe it.

And talking about HP in the twisties makes no sense. I LITERALLY destroyed (he crashed inta a tree trying to keep up) a supercharged e36 M3 in the twisties, and I had a basically stock honda. Does that mean my car is faster?? nope, it just means that on that day, I out drove him.

[RJ's325ITS]

And talking about HP in the twisties makes no sense. I LITERALLY destroyed (he crashed inta a tree trying to keep up) a supercharged e36 M3 in the twisties, and I had a basically stock honda. Does that mean my car is faster?? nope, it just means that on that day, I out drove him.

you are totally right about this one. Once you step out of the straight line in to a course with a couple of turns. The factors multiply and one of those faactors is the "driver factor".

If we put a roadcar w/ 300whp race ready next to a 700whp muscle car... and then we put a stupid driver in the racecar and an F1 driver in the muscle car, we will get the same results; the racecar will end up on the wall and the muscle car will make it to the end very slow but will make it.

That is the magic of racing in a course or "twisties" like you call it. It's 1000x more fun since it's not about stupid raw power... it's about the right amount of power and how well you used it.

IMO I'm glad that some people in here understands the different comcepts of racing like you .