i guess i made that up! Ask the Z/G kids that were at SDR on the 4th of March. I ran 14.2, then 14.0, 14.0, 13.9, before letting my roomate run it later in the afternoon. Hey Derek, you going out tonight? I'll pm you my number. Ill try to make it but Taco Mac might own me b/c its st. patty's day!