are black people the most racist group in america? NWS

[Sinfix_15]

Was watching the news in the break room at work the other day with a lot of black people in there also. Theyre covering the Herman Cain nonsense and had one of Cain's advisers on to defend him.

The guy said something to the effect that this story was actually a positive message to the black community and nothing negative about Cain. He said that black people should rejoice that Herman Cain had the chance to defend himself and that white america would just assume give him a trial in the street and hang him from a tree. That this story was nothing more than white people being upset at the idea of a black man having a white woman.
He went on to say that Cain is 100% innocent and that racism is the only reason this is in the news. People dont want to see a black man succeed ect ect....

All of the black people who were watching this seemed to agree with all of the comments.

It seems that it is absolutely impossible to avoid the issue of race with any topic when it comes to black people. Any and everything is because of race. It also amazes me what some of the black people say on TV. I mean, this isnt fox news interviewing some idiot from the supermarket, this is a professional black man who probably got paid for his interview on national TV. Sometimes i feel like im watching the black equivalent of the KKK. The violence isnt there, but it seems the agenda is the same.

What will it take for black america to let go of the race issue????? we elected a black president, a black man was leading the polls for republican nomination. Black men date all the white women they want, white men date all the black women they want and everything in between. nobody cares.....

If you do anything but praise black people, youre a racist. If i say i'd take Tom Brady over Mike Vick, it's because Vick is black and im a racist.

getting pretty ridiculous. its almost 2012.... need to let it go.

[Vteckidd]

i wont say they are the MOST racist because i dont have any data that proves that.

but i will say in my experience they are just as racist as white people that i have met.

[Brett]

I will say the same as Mike, I cant say they are the MOST Racist, BUT in my experience it seems there is alot of racism towards whites, BUT White people can be just as racist... so......

I do find it in this time and age to be obsurd that there are special channels just for a race, like BET, or award shows for Black Entertainers, or Miss. Black America, etc..... Because if white people tried to have a WET channel or anything like that, there would be an outrage.

I am glad we live in a time when we have a black president (Even though I think Obama is a tool) but in general I am happy to see strides that have taken place in this country but Racism has a LONG way to go. Sad to see in 2011 the race card is still such an issue in this country and around the world. I think White and Blacks are just as guilty in this but I do seem to see the race card being played alot more

[Sinfix_15]

I will say the same as Mike, I cant say they are the MOST Racist, BUT in my experience it seems there is alot of racism towards whites, BUT White people can be just as racist... so......

im not denying theres still a lot of white racist, no doubt there is......

You cant really control what people do in their private lives, im sure theres still white people in the south who will carry their racism to the grave and theres nothing you can do about. I just consider those types of people lost and dont give them anymore thought.

My issue is with people in positions of political influence. This guy wasnt just some random joe on TV. He's a professional political adviser. (Niger Innis is the National Spokesperson for the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE), MSNBC commentator, and political consultant. He was born in Harlem, New York, and currently lives in Westchester, New York. Innis graduated from Georgetown University in 1990 with a degree in Political Science.)

If the NATIONAL SPOKESPERSON FOR THE CONGRESS OF RACIAL EQUALITY can get on national TV and deliver a message like that and it be accepted by the public, then we have a real problem in america. If some black guy at the park says something to me racist, i dont think anything about. That's one person. However, when an elected professional stands in front of a national audience and says it, that greatly offends me.

[Austin?]

The poll are for black and white people to vote only?

[thundercatz1]

I'm black and I agree that racism is on both sides of the fence. Racism is and intemt to hurt,belittle ,talk shit about another race different than your own, so in that case most ppl are guilty of this iimo.

But I think its all depends on the context...... example White comic on stage use black jokes on the stage with black ppl in the crowd, black ppl wont get offended because of the context it is used in and laugh about it and say "yea thats true" Vice versa with black comics with whites on stage.

Its all in the context its used in.


Racism is still alive but has come along way from what it used to be.

[Browning151]

The word racist is thrown around so much today and is used incorrectly so frequently that is has almost lost all meaning. Most people couldn't tell you the difference between prejudice, racism and bigotry.


But to answer the question at hand, the MOST racist? No. But, I'd say that there are just as many racist blacks as there are whites out there though, and I feel like there are a lot of people who seem to think that only white people can be racist as well. As long as people make a distinction between race, whether it be for good or bad, racism will never go away.

[Sammich]

i'm sick of racism period. its not just black and white, its all across the board with all races. as a black person i was flipping through the channels and flipped past BET and tehy had 'black girls rock' i'm thinking to myself, if there's suppose to be a fight for equality etc etc, then why have a show, just for that...but at the same time, TO AN EXTENT i can understand why, because, as its the way of the world, minorities (even though i think its shown via polls and what not that whites are the minorities, but you get the drift of what i'm saying) dont get the recognition. on top of that, there are so many horrible models for the the 'black community' that a show like that just shows its not a bad thing to do your best and whats rapped about in the 'songs' about drugs, violence is not the only avenue to live.

in regards to your original post, i get in arguments w/ other black people i know about saying that 'white people are only out to see you as a black person do not succeed' but when i tell those who i argue w/ taht its not just one race that they target ALL THE TIME i see crabs in the bucket for every race, against their own and against those that are not their own.

point blank period. racism sucks fukin ass, hence why i've strived to keep all racist talk, joke, and even the n word out of my vocabulary. at the end of the day, how are you going to get past it if you dont start w/ yourself and get rid of it within yourself? you cant, and neither can the world. with that said, racism, as dumb as fuck as it sounds, will always live.

OAN: i hate it like fukin hell when a white person comes up to me about Obama and says "your president" WTF?! first off i'm not political so dont come at me sideways

[Vteckidd]

What Niger Innis said was retarded, this isnt a race issue. and bringing it up MAKES it a race issue IMO.

Now, i think the Liberal Left cannot stand a BLACK conservative, but ill keep that to myself as to my reasons why. I believe they will do whatever it takes to demean a person of color or a woman (like they did michelle bachman and sara palin.) FYI i despise politically Palin and Bachman but the way they were treated was despicable.

Cain isnt even being accused of sexual harrasement, he already was 12 years ago. 1 was dismissed or withdrawn, the other was dismissed, and she was given a severance package of $35,000, and then 3 years later she pulled the SAME ACCUSATION at her next job when she didnt get what she wanted.

The latest accuser has Gloria Alred as her lawyer, case closed.

Bill Clinton had far more inflammatory charges against him and he survived it (although we later found out it was prob true after lewinsky).

However the core question is that GENERALLY i have found that people of color play the race card first, or bring race up first.

[Vteckidd]

when moniorites strive so hard to be seperate, i dont understand how they can complain about not being treated the same. IE how can you argue you dont like racism, when you do racially divisive stuff like :

Have BET
Have people like Jesse jackson and Al Sharpton ONLY stick up for black people in cases of race. Apparently the RAINBOW Coalition only has one color, black
use the "n" word amongst yourselves, but get offended if anyone else uses it


thats just a few things. Mostly IMO the worst are the real higher ups, most day to day people i meet are rational thinkers and are capable of having different social and po,litical views without being racist.


Pat Buchanana called Obama "boy" and i was like seriously, what a dumbass. you dont call the president of the united states "BOY" whether hes black or not, but it came off as very southern racial plantation owner isque. I thought it was despicable. so its on both sides of the aisle

[thundercatz1]

Question is

Why do black ppl feel the way that they do?

What happended to them to make them so on edge and always feel like they need to defend themselves or their culture?

Not trying to offend anyone at all, At one point in time they were targeted by physical and emotional violence, and that anger has been past down through generations of children , but the world has gotten better.

I'm not trying to say the world owe us anything by no means , just questions you have to ask your self when dealing with the sensitivity of another race.

[Vteckidd]

im aware, which is why i can understand some of it from people who were around in the 50-60s. But that means people over the age of 60 at the minimum.

Im not responsible for all the transgressions of the white race and youre not responsible for Jesse Jackson and Tavis Smiley.

we should not act like we are

[alpine_aw11]

What we as white people tend to forget is that it hasn't been that long since black people had to use separate bathrooms.

[silversol]

I had a friend move from out side the u.s very well eductated, But did not live in the u.s outside of our social media. He was as far from racist as you could get after going and graduating from UGA and being in the southern culture for a few years, He did not enjoy to company of black people. He hated that black people had every Opportunity handed to them, yet they chose to be thugs and basicly bring themselfs down and how it was cool in parts of the black culture to be a thug and eneductated, then complain it was whites holding them down.

[Vteckidd]

What we as white people tend to forget is that it hasn't been that long since black people had to use separate bathrooms.

yeah and if you are over the age of 60 i sympathize with you. but most never lived in that time, sorry.

[RandomGuy]

Lol this poll is racist, Discrimination!

[98blackcivic]

the poll maker is racist for not including the other races

so fuck u sinx15

[allmotor-teg]

i dont have actual prove of this but i work at metropcs and what i see is 70% black people, 25% white people and 5% hispanics and got to tell you that the people that come here are very racist if not extreamly racist but some white people are racist too just cause your look hispanic, white or any other nationality they are racist towards you but they forget that america was all white then black people started coming here and became african americans but even tho they came here years ago the act racist against other razes.. SMDH!!!!

[Kamikaze]

The word racist is thrown around so much today and is used incorrectly so frequently that is has almost lost all meaning. Most people couldn't tell you the difference between prejudice, racism and bigotry.

Exactly. Literally believing one race is superior to another, being better or worth more in human value, is a waning issue. That is unless one is truly an idiot. Now, prejudice on the other hand, the total disdain for an entire group of people based on a small percentage of its population, is very prevalent in America today and has been for decades. This thread is actually a pretty good example. Believing that, based on isolated experiences and what comes from some fools mouth that's currently getting their 15 minutes of fame, all members of a particular group must think and behave in a particular way is prejudice if you ask me.

[boosted347]

Question is

Why do black ppl feel the way that they do?

What happended to them to make them so on edge and always feel like they need to defend themselves or their culture?

Not trying to offend anyone at all, At one point in time they were targeted by physical and emotional violence, and that anger has been past down through generations of children , but the world has gotten better.

I'm not trying to say the world owe us anything by no means , just questions you have to ask your self when dealing with the sensitivity of another race.

no offense to you because I personally have no problems with you but its things like the first part of this that irk me beyond belief, like vteckid said there are no former slaves alive today that have a reason to be mad about it now, only the people who are in their later years actually saw segregation and prejudice in public places...its when the black youth of america think that because of the actions in the past that people (mainly the white man) are required to repay them it not only shows prejudice but also ignorance, in todays world every person (black, white, hispanic) has every equal opportunity to advance in life. But to answer the question no there arent more racist blacks than whites, there are and always will be racism its the sad unfortunate truth, the only chamfer to ever eradicate racism abd prejudices will come when people realize they arent entitled to anything simply because if the color of their skin.

A little tid bit of info though
The white man was a slave long before the black man was (jewish in egypt) and the white man did not take the first slaves from africa the chiefs of tribes sold their own people into slavery...

[Brett]

I think when all races stop trying to set ones race apart from others, it will continue in some form.... I doubt any of us will live to see the day where color is not what defines who a person is, but instead the Character of the person is what we look at first.

[allmotor-teg]

I think when all races stop trying to set ones race apart from others, it will continue in some form.... I doubt any of us will live to see the day where color is not what defines who a person is, but instead the Character of the person is what we look at first.

AMEN bother!

[alpine_aw11]

yeah and if you are over the age of 60 i sympathize with you. but most never lived in that time, sorry.

All I'm saying is because it was so recent the fallout has been passed down through generations of both races, so it is still a factor. It's easy for white people to not care, we didn't get fucked, we did the fucking. Low income areas aren't predominantly black in a lot of places because black people are lazy/dumb, it's because there still hasn't been enough time for all races to equal themselves out. I don't feel sorry for anyone either but it's too easy to say "Oh well I didn't do it so everything should be equal now".

[Kamikaze]

A little tid bit of info though
The white man was a slave long before the black man was (jewish in egypt) and the white man did not take the first slaves from africa the chiefs of tribes sold their own people into slavery...

I'm not sure how correct that is. Not to bring religion into this discussion (but when mentioning the Jewish people you kind of have to), but there are things mentioned in the Bible regarding the lineage of Israelites that describe them as being dark skinned. I don't think the Germanic Jews that you're speaking of represent the appearance of those that were enslaved in Egypt. Speaking of appearance, it really isn't something you should put too much weight on. We all know the further you go back in human history, numbers sharply decrease along with defined racial/ethnic groups. In the context of this thread (and in this country), "white" and "black" are just ways to identify a particular group of people. Those two groups being Anglo Caucasians and West African descendants.

[RL...]

Honestly the most racist perspective in america is people being racist against middle eastern(ers). 9-11 really made americans hate middle eastern people.

[boosted347]

I'm not sure how correct that is. Not to bring religion into this discussion (but when mentioning the Jewish people you kind of have to), but there are things mentioned in the Bible regarding the lineage of Israelites that describe them as being dark skinned. I don't think the Germanic Jews that you're speaking of represent the appearance of those that were enslaved in Egypt. Speaking of appearance, it really isn't something you should put too much weight on. We all know the further you go back in human history, numbers sharply decrease along with defined racial/ethnic groups. In the context of this thread (and in this country), "white" and "black" are just ways to identify a particular group of people. Those two groups being Anglo Caucasians and West African descendants.

Well if we really wanna be 100% technically correct then we can say it makes absolutely no difference what color your skin is because all of our lineage and the ancestry of mankind is in africa, so in turn we are all africans, and in our case african americans but i def see what you are saying

[boosted347]

All I'm saying is because it was so recent the fallout has been passed down through generations of both races, so it is still a factor. It's easy for white people to not care, we didn't get fucked, we did the fucking. Low income areas aren't predominantly black in a lot of places because black people are lazy/dumb, it's because there still hasn't been enough time for all races to equal themselves out. I don't feel sorry for anyone either but it's too easy to say "Oh well I didn't do it so everything should be equal now".

This is a pretty ridiculous response IMO...of all the people you know how many of them were actually ever, in their adult life time ,made to use a separate bathroom, a different water fountain, a different restaurant, etc? My guess is none unless you are 60+ years old, the whole my great great great great grandpa was a slave is an excuse thats used to get something that black men/women use to try and get something for nothing. And the comment about poor neighborhoods being predominantly black because they havent had "time" to equal themselves out, there were laws passed in the 70's called the EPA and Title VII that made it a federal law to hire minorities that were qualified. The only reason people cant get jobs is because most think they are to good to flip burgers and clean toilets so they wont apply for that job, they all want cushy easy jobs that pay well (this applys to whites also) also our government makes it to easy to apply and live off welfare, i mean look around you see all these unemployed people riding around in brand new cars, with a nice house, and ample food stamps to feed a family of 5, and you know why? Its cause the government makes it easy to live off them, so why the hell would i go get a job when the government is gonna give me a place to live, food to eat, and enough extra money to get a nice car? As horrible as it may sound I know a few black women/men who have told me "its easy to get on welfare and its way better and easier than getting a job", not saying this one person is how all are but there has to be more out there if theres one right...so to say the reason why those poor areas are like that is because they havent had time to become equals is a garbage lie to yourself. And if everyone did go with the "I didn't do it, and it wasnt done directly to me, so everything should be equal now" maybe there wouldnt be as much racism...

[qt95camry]

I work at a tire shop and I once heard a black woman said to my co-worker " You're charging me that because I'm black, aren't you?" I was dumbfounded, because she was serious. Needless to say he was speechless.

[green91]

Man you've got a lot of history to learn before making some ignorant posts like this. I'm not trying to diminish the awfulness of slavery that many african americas went through, but if you think the white man was the only devil and the black man was the only victim, you're grossly uneducated.

All I'm saying is because it was so recent the fallout has been passed down through generations of both races, so it is still a factor. It's easy for white people to not care, we didn't get fucked, we did the fucking. Low income areas aren't predominantly black in a lot of places because black people are lazy/dumb, it's because there still hasn't been enough time for all races to equal themselves out. I don't feel sorry for anyone either but it's too easy to say "Oh well I didn't do it so everything should be equal now".

[Dylan]

How I see it is, It's only human nature to want to be superior among others. To cling to someone else that can relate to you and you feel the same towards them. On top of it all, everyone is and always will be jealous of what someone else has that they don't. These are just characteristics we all share together as humans. When people play sports it isn't to let the other player/s win, it's simply because each player wants to be superior among their competitors and show how great they are. If you were lost in a suspicious area would you a.) run to the first dark alley you can find to seek help, or b.) go to the closest church from which you know someone will help you. Anyone would pick "b" because that would be the most secure location to seek help. Most people view others of their same race as that church because that's who they were raised around and feel they can trust. If you were riding in your old beaten accord and you get passed by a guy in a brand new mercedes-benz you can't honestly say you wouldn't rather be in that guys car. It is only natural to strive to want better things and try to make the most of your life. When so many people in this country that all come from different backgrounds it would only be human nature to observe, judge, and compare your life to theirs. That is where I feel racism comes from. No, to the OP's original question, we are all guilty of this.

[Kamikaze]

How I see it is, It's only human nature to want to be superior among others. To cling to someone else that can relate to you and you feel the same towards them. On top of it all, everyone is and always will be jealous of what someone else has that they don't. These are just characteristics we all share together as humans. When people play sports it isn't to let the other player/s win, it's simply because each player wants to be superior among their competitors and show how great they are. If you were lost in a suspicious area would you a.) run to the first dark alley you can find to seek help, or b.) go to the closest church from which you know someone will help you. Anyone would pick "b" because that would be the most secure location to seek help. Most people view others of their same race as that church because that's who they were raised around and feel they can trust. If you were riding in your old beaten accord and you get passed by a guy in a brand new mercedes-benz you can't honestly say you wouldn't rather be in that guys car. It is only natural to strive to want better things and try to make the most of your life. When so many people in this country that all come from different backgrounds it would only be human nature to observe, judge, and compare your life to theirs. That is where I feel racism comes from. No, to the OP's original question, we are all guilty of this.

Being superior to someone in athletic ability or believing that the amount of money in your bank account entitles you to look down on someone is not the same thing as believing in racial superiority. Racism is believing that somehow your genetic traits make you of greater value than another human being. I'll agree that having similar looking people around you for you to be in your comfort zone can be attributed human nature. However, that does not excuse the preconceived notions that you may have formulated about another group of people based on isolated incidents or what you see in the media. Also, what about children that are adopted by parents of a different race and take on the behaviors and attitudes of their parents? Apparently race doesn't play a role in someone's personality or how they conduct themselves.

[Dylan]

Being superior to someone in athletic ability or believing that the amount of money in your bank account entitles you to look down on someone is not the same thing as believing in racial superiority. Racism is believing that somehow your genetic traits make you of greater value than another human being. I'll agree that having similar looking people around you for you to be in your comfort zone can be attributed human nature. However, that does not excuse the preconceived notions that you may have formulated about another group of people based on isolated incidents or what you see in the media. Also, what about children that are adopted by parents of a different race and take on the behaviors and attitudes of their parents? Apparently race doesn't play a role in someone's personality or how they conducts themselves.

It seems from that perspective one reflects what they see as adolescents. If you are raised to say "yes ma'am/sir & no ma'am/sir" you apply it. You also see your parents/guardians using hateful remarks towards a group from a certain ethnicity you respond in the same manner.

[BanginJimmy]

Low income areas aren't predominantly black in a lot of places because black people are lazy/dumb, it's because there still hasn't been enough time for all races to equal themselves out.

That is a typical cop out that has no basis in fact. The reason low income areas are primarily black is because they have lived in a culture of violence for generations. They live in a culture that puts zero emphasis on education or following the law. These people* have been taught to blame their own shortcomings on others and take no responsibility for their own actions.

Want to get out of these low income areas? It is very simple and I know MANY people that did exactly that. Its a 2 step process but dont worry, its not too complicated. Step one, dont get yourself in legal trouble, doesnt get any easier than this one. Step two, get a education. An education doesnt have to be a 4 year college either. You can go to the military and learn a MARKETABLE skill such a aircraft mechanic or something in the IT field or even military police, not infantry or artillary cause there are VERY few civilian jobs in these fields. You can go to a 2 year school and go into nursing. You can go to a tech school and become a welder. The list is endless and the only thing that can possibly get in your way is you.

I don't feel sorry for anyone either but it's too easy to say "Oh well I didn't do it so everything should be equal now".

Why shouldnt we be equal now? Why should one race be given extra benefits over another one? It is just as wrong now as it was then.




* "These people" refers to those living in generational poverty.

[BanginJimmy]

double post

[Catnip]

i'm sick of racism period. its not just black and white, its all across the board with all races. as a black person i was flipping through the channels and flipped past BET and tehy had 'black girls rock' i'm thinking to myself, if there's suppose to be a fight for equality etc etc, then why have a show, just for that...but at the same time, TO AN EXTENT i can understand why, because, as its the way of the world, minorities (even though i think its shown via polls and what not that whites are the minorities, but you get the drift of what i'm saying) dont get the recognition. on top of that, there are so many horrible models for the the 'black community' that a show like that just shows its not a bad thing to do your best and whats rapped about in the 'songs' about drugs, violence is not the only avenue to live.

in regards to your original post, i get in arguments w/ other black people i know about saying that 'white people are only out to see you as a black person do not succeed' but when i tell those who i argue w/ taht its not just one race that they target ALL THE TIME i see crabs in the bucket for every race, against their own and against those that are not their own.

point blank period. racism sucks fukin ass, hence why i've strived to keep all racist talk, joke, and even the n word out of my vocabulary. at the end of the day, how are you going to get past it if you dont start w/ yourself and get rid of it within yourself? you cant, and neither can the world. with that said, racism, as dumb as fuck as it sounds, will always live.

OAN: i hate it like fukin hell when a white person comes up to me about Obama and says "your president" WTF?! first off i'm not political so dont come at me sideways

Mad respect for your post.

I know I've had my jokes and I apologize. Never meant to hurt, but that they may have done.

[98blackcivic]

yo
on the real..
idk if u american ppl know this...but ASIANS ARE MADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD RACIST! south asians, east asians....hell even to the west in the middle east! arabs are racist to anyone who isnt an arab!
supposedly in some countries, you cant even apply for citizenship...
they'll talk about anyone that isnt their specific nationality!

[Firefightin_tC]

Being superior to someone in athletic ability or believing that the amount of money in your bank account entitles you to look down on someone is not the same thing as believing in racial superiority. Racism is believing that somehow your genetic traits make you of greater value than another human being. I'll agree that having similar looking people around you for you to be in your comfort zone can be attributed human nature. However, that does not excuse the preconceived notions that you may have formulated about another group of people based on isolated incidents or what you see in the media. Also, what about children that are adopted by parents of a different race and take on the behaviors and attitudes of their parents? Apparently race doesn't play a role in someone's personality or how they conduct themselves.

Thank you for this Jon.

I can't count how many times I've been told "I act white." and when I confront them and asked them what that means they never seem to have a straight answer.

All I get is a chuckle and "Oh com'n man you know what I mean."

[Sinfix_15]

Mad respect for your post.

I know I've had my jokes and I apologize. Never meant to hurt, but that they may have done.

i dont think racist jokes are the problem. Most of my black friends think the light hearted race jokes are just as funny as i do. "white man cant jump" "black guy stole my bike" that sort of thing is no big deal. I dont think we should be tight asses, we can still laugh at our selves.

But....... these political figures who are still trying to keep the issue of race alive are the same type of hate monger that Hilter or the KKK was. Theyre just disguised better.

[Catnip]

i dont think racist jokes are the problem. Most of my black friends think the light hearted race jokes are just as funny as i do. "white man cant jump" "black guy stole my bike" that sort of thing is no big deal. I dont think we should be tight asses, we can still laugh at our selves.

But....... these political figures who are still trying to keep the issue of race alive are the same type of hate monger that Hilter or the KKK was. Theyre just disguised better.

There's a tattoo on my back that explains why I posted that. lol. Gotta start somewhere...

[Kamikaze]

Thank you for this Jon.

I can't count how many times I've been told "I act white." and when I confront them and asked them what that means they never seem to have a straight answer.

All I get is a chuckle and "Oh com'n man you know what I mean."

No problem. I enjoy providing logic and reason where it's needed.

Concerning people who say things like that, there's no way they can provide an explanation without pointing out their own shortcomings. And going back to my previous point, connecting behavior and race is erroneous. Using their logic, there is a set of characteristics that you must embrace depending on the color of your skin. And if you differ from that then there's something "wrong" with you.