So who's responsible for 9/11?
Who do you think is truly responsible for 9/11? Please only respond if you have actually looked into evidence that has emerged. I dont want the "you must be ****ing stupid with that conspiracy **** blah blah blah" because if you say that you obviously haven't given it a second thought. Discuss.
I believe it was Al Qeada. But the government was warned and didn't take steps to protect the country.
These types of threads usually don't end well. ****, they dont even begin well.Originally Posted by type_r
"Bush and the Govt are responsible for it! omg I have a small penis! Its bushs fault! Hurricanes are coming! The levees arnt strong enough! I blame Bush!"
Bla bla bla bla****ing bla. The anti-american/govt Micheal Moore Nazis will not convince patriotic Americans, or any American with a good head on their shoulders of their conspiracy theories and vice-versa.
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Fahrenheit 9/11 was punched in the face by the release of Fahrenhype 9/11.
Besides, isnt it funner just to point the finger and the towel heads anyway?
^^ its funnier to point and laugh, but when its time to get serious well... its time to get serious.
Why is going against anything on the news considered a "conspiracy" and therefore false?
Do you know how much BS is fed through the new? Well im sure you have some idea, but its really sad.
But do you care that your given rights are no longer protected by the amendment if the government suspects you of planing/aiding/having any part of "terrorism"?
Anyways, I feel that the government knew about it ahead of time, and saw themselves making more $$ in the long run, and being able to get falsely elected puppet back in office for 4 more year so they could fatten their pockets, and they did nothing to prevent anything. Then they shot some missiles into the ground ect, to say what happened to the other planes flying around. but im just making sutff up now lol.
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Lol.......as if I ever mentioned Bush's name. Bush is too big of an idiot to be responsible, but only an idiot would accept the facts given by the government. Do you have any idea what the 9/11 commision left out? I dare you to logically explain the way those buildings collapsed(including WTC 7, which the 9/11 commission failed to even mention), the confiscation of Pentagon tapes by the FBI, the lack of any action taken when it was realized the planes were hijacked, and also the complete absence of any bodies or actual parts from a plane from the crash that missed their supposed targets. But then again, I have a small penis so your means of reasoning must be more intelligentPeople like you put nazis like Bush in office. And "American with a good head on their shoulders" might as well be an oxymoron because that count is running drastically low. Truth is authority, the authority is not the truth.
i think it all the rag heads fault, now if there you have been a democrat in the office he would be blamed for it to. no mater what happens in america if something bad happens then the have to put the blame on somebody
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ok with 9/11 i believe its like this we knew. Clinton knew. Read the report. They've been going back and forth on Osama for years. We had him in our sights damn near prosecuted him but ultimately let him go. I think it was truly a reap what you sow situation from the 80's when al Quiada was formed. Bush was the fall guy, the idiot who just happened 2 be in office when this happened. Madeline Albright told both Clinton and Bush to put hole in his head. As for the last plane that crashed in pennsylvannia. Yeah i got news for ya it was shot down. truly look at the wreckage. If the damn plane hit the ground all that jet fuel loulda left a decent crater and there would have been larger wreckage left on the ground. every report i saw there was debris but not nearly as large as it should have been on a plane that size. besides honestly do you really think the govt would let a hijacked plane near the white house? Get real they made a judgement call. I personally belive they didnt think we were goin to get hit like that but still a major lapse in judgement like that is a lil difficult to swallow considering the technology we have and how tightly we guard our airspace especially in DC. somethin was just fishy to me. Now the war on the other hand is simple economics. Look back in history. The majority of the time when the economy is headed for a downturn we go into some sort of armed conflict. WWII despite pearl harbor we fought hard and it created jobs, Desert storm, and now Iraq. the economy was down maybe not as bad as the depression or now but still armed conflict followed. It happens once a generation really. Just my thoughts on it
Gear down big shifter. Don't be so soft. Nothing was personally directed towards you, sister.Lol.......as if I ever mentioned Bush's name. Bush is too big of an idiot to be responsible, but only an idiot would accept the facts given by the government. Do you have any idea what the 9/11 commision left out? I dare you to logically explain the way those buildings collapsed(including WTC 7, which the 9/11 commission failed to even mention), the confiscation of Pentagon tapes by the FBI, the lack of any action taken when it was realized the planes were hijacked, and also the complete absence of any bodies or actual parts from a plane from the crash that missed their supposed targets. But then again, I have a small penis so your means of reasoning must be more intelligent
My point was (as if it wasn't obvious by my initial post) that there are two sides to this "debate." Neither side will convince the other of what THEY believe. This topic has been beat to hell, worldwide, for years. Nothing new will come of it.
You believe your "facts" to be true based on "evidence" that has been put together by the common folk and conspiracy theorists, published on the internet. The next guy believes his "facts" to be true based on "evidence" provided by the common folk and govt officials, etc etc.
Google is your friend. Your answers are out there.
"It has been suggested that the buildings should have tipped over (like what happens when a building falls over in an earthquake) onto other buildings surrounding the area. There are several points that should be made.
First, the building is not solid; it is 95 percent air and, hence, can implode onto itself.
Second, there is no lateral load, even the impact of a speeding aircraft, which is sufficient to move the center of gravity one hundred feet to the side such that it is not within the base footprint of the structure.
Third, given the near free-fall collapse, there was insufficient time for portions to attain significant lateral velocity.
To summarize all of these points, a 500,000 t structure has too much inertia to fall in any direction other than nearly straight down."
That was copy/paste from Google. See, now aht YOu would do is go to google and find something to counteract that and then copy/paste it. Bla bla bla bla****ing bla.
I wish I could reps myself sometimes.
Its easy to point fingers.
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Fast forward to about 10 or so minutes into it and watch the 9/11 segment and tell me you dont have some questions. I'm not trying to say Bush did it or anything but there are so many holes in the explanation that's been given. It's pretty hard for me to be the average ignorant American and ignor facts like this. Our government possibly committed an atrocious violation against humanity that robbed families of their loved ones, yet noone will look into it? I'm sorry but our country has officially fallen apart. America needs to wake up and smell the bullsh it.
Hey... look on the bright side guys. Atleast we're not french.
I won't waste my time. I'm sure it has some pretty cool stuff and/or editing. I too, can sit here and post videos to back my beliefs.
Its not rocket science. The conspiracy theorists post their videos with their "evidence" and "facts"... and then the other guys take that video and rip it apart piece by piece with their "evidence" and "facts".
reps!! it is true an intelligence failure that big should never happen. Especially on our end. Has anybody really been o the capital? There were planes all over the place there when i went in 2000 i stayed the summer out there, same on '01 when i went to visit family there. that airspace is paced with military 24/7 you cant tell me some dude got lucky enough to make it through that security that easily without there being an inside man or somebody seriously slipping that hard. it may have been a set up but i bet they didnt expect this much. the real question is how is it that nobody seems to realize that we went from Osama to Saddam and hardly anybody raised a question about it til after we tore Iraq a new one? Its like Osama and AL Quaiad are not as important anymore as say Iran or North Korean's governments... makes me wonderLol.......as if I ever mentioned Bush's name. Bush is too big of an idiot to be responsible, but only an idiot would accept the facts given by the government. Do you have any idea what the 9/11 commision left out? I dare you to logically explain the way those buildings collapsed(including WTC 7, which the 9/11 commission failed to even mention), the confiscation of Pentagon tapes by the FBI, the lack of any action taken when it was realized the planes were hijacked, and also the complete absence of any bodies or actual parts from a plane from the crash that missed their supposed targets. But then again, I have a small penis so your means of reasoning must be more intelligent
fyi... Building 7 was a truss structure that was built weaker due to an electrical substation that was under it. The substation was built with a footing designed to hold a building much smaller then what building 7 ended up being. In order to accommodate this larger structure on a smaller footing, they used trusses. There is an old saying in the fire department, “never trust a truss”, as they are weaker structures. TO make matters even worse the fire department was ineffective at fighting the fire in the building because they had lost such a significant number of their force when the towers collapsed.
When the fire department is referring to pulling a building, they mean, “pulling the plug” or “pulling out”. Basically meaning that they were going to cease to even attempt to fight the fire any longer, cut their losses, and allow the fire to consume the structure until it failed on its own.
If that doesnt explain how/why WTC7 fell, then the next step is to blame Isaac Newton for inventing gravity.
NEVER TRUST A TRUSS!!
Every day it is getting more and more dangerous with fires burning hotter due to the use of synthetic materials that put off more BTUs coupled with the combination of cheaper building using light weight construction, mainly the truss. Charlston, SC firefighters battled their commercial fire in a light-weight truss constructed commercial structure that failed in just 30 minutes! I know many brothers can remember back in the 1970s battling fires for hours in structures due to their solid heavy construction, however those days are over. I can only see our industry going towards fighting fires from the outside as long as there is no life hazard. It is just too dangers anymore, so as safety stand down week passes hopefully we have gotten a real good idea of the dangers of our job and just how dangerous it is fighting fires in light weight construction as well as what we interpret as just easily getting off a ladder. Hopefully these very tragic incidents will show us just how important is is to look at safety.
I can not say all was tragic this week, seeing my cousin graduating probie school! My cousin will join myself on Engine 33-12 and continue our family tradition of firefighting. As the lead instructor said at the ceremony, “Welcome to the greatest profession on earth” and this is by far still true. I just hope my brothers have a safe stand-down week and continue to stay safe. Remember: “Never Trust a Truss!”
Ok Ok... I'm done. I'm done.
As stated earlier, this will end up being a copy/paste war where both sides lose because in the end, we all still belive what we believe.
I'm done.
Carry on, soldiers of truth, carry on.
Have you noticed that the only time you hear about Al-jazeera is when Osama make a threat. When any of his top men makes a statement they just pops up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nD7d...eature=related
That wouldn't explain the collapse from the middle that was identical to a purposeful demolition of a building....
exactly thats all america is aboutIts easy to point fingers.
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Most of them were Israeli.. follow the money and I'm sure there are dirty hands in the current administration but for the most part I'm sure it leads to Al Qaeda.
Eh, maybe Al Qaeda was manily responsible. But without our government paying them or something would it really have just ended at 9/11? If 9/11 was truly a terroristic act then it obviously wouldn't have ended, we could get attacked now. Our government is too busy with their heads up their asses sniffing for money that they dont realize we are still vulnerable. Nothing has changed since 9/11, the war on terror is a joke. It's an absolute joke. The United States will never defeat terrorism as it isn't even a threat, if it was there would be buildings blowing up all over the country.
You better not be saying that to go against that notion because you definitely just said "it's the rag heads fault." If that isn't an excellent example of pointing fingers/good ol southern racism I dont know what is.
who gives a ****. 2 buildings go down, than in next few years a whole country guys down some where else. So yea, bush did show everyone that we dont **** around if you attack our country.
But from watching videos, and some facts i think it was all an inside job.
This is an excerpt from a paper I wrote earlier in the year.
The U.S. needs to stay out of foreign affairs that have no immediate national security threat to us which would cause us to take military action for many reason. One of which being that we have a tendency to make enemies as we “fight for the greater good”. Case in point, Osama Bin Laden and the Attacks on 9/11. Osama Bin Laden’s hatred for the U.S. did not come overnight however; it did begin over 20 years ago during the Invasion of Afghanistan by Russia during the Cold War. On July 3rd, 1979 President Carter signed an order to secretly aid the Afghanistan Rebel’s to push out the Russian’s(Intervention). In an interview ten years ago the then head of the CIA was asked if he regretted supporting Islamic Radicalists to which he responded “What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?” (Intervention). It is during this time that he founded Al Qaeda and began setting up training camps in Afghanistan which resulted in the recruitment and training of 5,000 members creating cells in 50 countries across the globe(Who Is). At the end of the Soviet invasion he moved back to Saudi Arabia to join his family and their construction company. His stay there however did not last long due largely in part of the fact that the 1993 bombings of the World Trade Center buildings were linked to Al Qaeda. The link resulted in the loss of his citizenship in that country and being disowned by his own family. Al Qaeda over this time grew in numbers and strength and the attacks became worse. His new strength came from new relationships with a Lebanese terrorist who was wanted for kidnappings named Imad Mugniyah, and an Egyptian named Ayman Zawahiri(Who Is). By 1998 he had been linked to several embassy bombings in Africa and finally the precursor to 9/11 the attacks on the U.S.S. Cole(Who Is).
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I can't believe you made a thread about this. I mean seriously... do you really think that George Bush had something to do with 9/11???? All the REAL evidence says that it was Al Qaeda all the way. There was some evidence that Al Qaeda was planning "something" but there was really no way to prevent it. I mean what was the government supposed to do? They had no idea what form of attack that the terrorists were planning.
Osama Bin Laden has been a known anti-US radical muslim for at least 20 years. Bill Clinton had the opportunity to have bin laden dealth with, but he decided not to. I could say that 9/11 was clinton's fault for not intervening with bin laden in the first place.
They are called conspiracies for a reason... because they are not proven to be true.
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The whole butterfly effect of this has been brewing since the late 80's when Osama went to Afghanistan to fight the Soviets with his vast wealth and embraced radical fundamentalism Islam. He was kicked out of multiple countries and moved back to Afghanistan. He allied himself with the just forming Taliban and helped them gain control of the country. 2 days before 9/11 Osama tricked the last big opposer (who could do anything) to the Taliban in having an interview. During that interview, one of the cameras exploded and killed the last threat to Mullah Omar.
Its pretty clear that Al-Qaeda is responsible for it. His groups was responsible for most of the terrorist acts in the past 15 years across the world. Its also clear that he is hiding in Pakistan where the USA cant legally go or is dead, or is in a giant glass bubble on the floor of the Indian Ocean.
He is a crazy man. It is what happens when crazy people get money and have an influence. He has even been disowned by his family.
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I love conspiracy theories. They make me laugh.
it was **** cheney!! those buildings were pulled, wtc 7 went down a feew hours afterwards and the man who owned the buildings admitted they were pulled(wtc 7 was the headquarters fir the fbi, stock market etc) and it takes months to pull a building not a few hours. Marvin Bush was head of security until sept 11th, thats in barbara bushe's book. ask any pilot whe flies a jumbo jet and they will tell u it is impossible tp fly a plane over a hwy and over the pentagon lawn. bad sho look up the firefighters tapes from that day)it only took 6yrs to be public, there were people on the floor above the fire alive and talking on the phone. firefighters were even on the floor and said send up TWO hoses and we will have this out. if it is hot enouigh to melt the building then how and the hell can someone be at the fire!!! I don't believe the media b/c it is all controlled by 1 man so we see what they want, and too many people made too much $ that day. it's all abt the benjamins. Things just don't make sense on anything that happened that day. im out do some research ppl and u decide.
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dude lets not go start another war, we cant afford the one we are in as it is. reminds mo of vietnam, there is no point b/c we will be there til 2020.
btw my dad and brother were both in the military(military brat) so im not bashing, but even my father and coworkers on base think something is very fishy.
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Page 1.fyi... Building 7 was a truss structure that was built weaker due to an electrical substation that was under it. The substation was built with a footing designed to hold a building much smaller then what building 7 ended up being. In order to accommodate this larger structure on a smaller footing, they used trusses. There is an old saying in the fire department, “never trust a truss”, as they are weaker structures. TO make matters even worse the fire department was ineffective at fighting the fire in the building because they had lost such a significant number of their force when the towers collapsed.
When the fire department is referring to pulling a building, they mean, “pulling the plug” or “pulling out”. Basically meaning that they were going to cease to even attempt to fight the fire any longer, cut their losses, and allow the fire to consume the structure until it failed on its own.
If that doesnt explain how/why WTC7 fell, then the next step is to blame Isaac Newton for inventing gravity.
My sister is a captain in the US Air Force in Military Intel, my father served 33 years in the Air Force, I have severeal Uncles/Aunts/Cousins in the military. etc etc etc... and they dont think there is anything fishy about the terroristic activities that took place.
You have no point. Everyone knows someone with different beliefs on the events that took place on that eleventh day of September. Doesnt matter who the **** they are or what they do.
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this thread is ridiculous.
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start another war? im just stating facts. Just because he is in Pakistan doesnt mean we should air drop 10,000 troops into Islamabad or something. We are already at war with Al-Qaeda, so how can we start another war Al-Qaeda? Im just saying, that after interviewing terrorists we captured, they said that Osama slipped out of tora bora in november/december 2001.
America likes to wage wars that can not be won.
First the "War on Communism" with Korea, Vietnam, and now "The War on TERROR".
You can not defeat the Mujahideen, because they are not institutionalized, they have no country, they are not of a corporeal state. Because as soon as America thinks she has "won" the War on Terror, all the Mujahideen have to do is send 2 men to the most remote part of the world and publicly claim they are terrorists and the US will be obligated to send all kind of commando groups, nuclear submarines, aircraft carriers, and spend millions. The objective of 9/11 was to send a message with the initiative to destroy America economically. The Mujahideen have bled the Soviets to collapse and will bleed America until we have a leader smart enough to stop the bleeding and leave.
i read all the posts, things just don't make much sense. go listen to the firefighters and 911 calls that were finally released. like i said earlier if a man can stand on the floor above the fire in wtc, then there is no way the fire is hot enough to melt steel that melts at like 3700 C, jet fuel burns at 1800 C and most of that was gone instantly. i'm not gonna try to convince anybody but the evidence does not add up. when you have engineers, pilots, etc that say that is not right it makes you wonder. i would love to see a jet fly 50ft off the ground for a mile or more, it would crash long before its target. i don't know the details of the truss in the building. NORAD WTF!! where were those guys at. $$$$$ is what it comes down to. the man who owns the building made 2.5 billion that day on insurance that was revised months earlier for terrorist attacks. corruption is everywhere in politics and i would hate to see soldiers get screwed for someone to make a buck. WAR=$$, write that down.
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