FUCK IRAQ

[Hulud]

Troop Withdrawal Wins House Passage
Republicans Unite In Opposition

POSTED: 3:17 am EDT March 23, 2007
UPDATED: 1:41 pm EDT March 23, 2007

WASHINGTON -- After rancorous debate, the U.S. House has approved legislation challenging President George W. Bush to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq by fall 2008.

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The vote was 218-212, mostly along party lines.

The war-funding measure is a victory for Democrats and Congress' boldest challenge yet to the administration's war strategy.

Democrats said it was time to heed the mandate of their election sweep last November, which gave them control of Congress.

"The American people have lost faith in the president's conduct of this war," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. "The American people see the reality of the war; the president does not."

White House Press Secretary Tony Snow called the House move "a wheel-spinning exercise." He said even if the bill passes, President George W. Bush will veto it and there's "zero chance" it will become law.

A Senate committee approved a $122 billion measure Thursday financing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but also requiring Bush to pull combat troops out of Iraq.

That bill calls for the troops to be out by next spring, rather than the fall as required in the House bill.

[Hulud]

im glad we finally have a date when our troops are coming home

[Eurostunna07]

is you rollin? BITCH I MITE BE!

[Hulud]

well when they are supposed to be coming home, but who knows its just the house

[SpecV_Scott]

"White House Press Secretary Tony Snow called the House move "a wheel-spinning exercise." He said even if the bill passes, President George W. Bush will veto it and there's "zero chance" it will become law."

Great.

[Glides]

Welcome to the wonderful world of "Dirty ass politics" where anything can, and will happen. George Bush will, of course, fuck this bill up like he's fucked just about everything else up, including his speeches, since taking office.

He is the total sum of all that is American to people in other countries. A country, hillbilly sounding man who can't speak clearly and 99% of the time has no clue what he's talking about.

Welcome to America through the eyes of the outside world. Sad.

[Brett]

Troops will not be pulled out, Bush will Veto it even if it makes it to the floor. Also all this bill is doing is delaying vital money to send for the troops.

[Jecht]

Welcome to the wonderful world of "Dirty ass politics" where anything can, and will happen. George Bush will, of course, fuck this bill up like he's fucked just about everything else up, including his speeches, since taking office.

He is the total sum of all that is American to people in other countries. A country, hillbilly sounding man who can't speak clearly and 99% of the time has no clue what he's talking about.

Welcome to America through the eyes of the outside world. Sad.

Exactly the reason I'm moving elsewhere when I'm done with school.

[Hulud]

Troops will not be pulled out, Bush will Veto it even if it makes it to the floor. Also all this bill is doing is delaying vital money to send for the troops.

yea well they will still just redo it early next year and it will not be veto'd lol

[thinkfast®]

VIVA MEXICO!

[Jecht]

VIVA MEXICO!

Haha at this rate everyone will be hopping the border into Mexico!

[thinkfast®]

I JUST HOPE THE FENCE IS UP BY THEN

[itsjustdee]

i'm not a political person, but he seriously needs to pull the troops out already. he just won't becuz he know he has failed as president or he's just mad becuz he hasn't got his dicked sucked like clinton =X

[Jecht]

When Bush first got elected... I hated him. Everyone asked me why, and I just told them that I thought he would end up doing something really stupid. Now everyone has the same thoughts after they re-elected him into office.

[Kyle]

I am pretty sick of George Bush. It never seems as if he has a definate plan for it, and it just seems like a failure. A waste of capital if you ask me.

We need to start setting deadlines and times when we need to just withdraw the troops. Bush is just digging himself deeper into a hole.

[Capt._Ron]

Yea so bush hasnt done the greatest job as president but who else are you going to put in office when the democrats keep backing these super liberal pussies for office. Im not saying Bush has been a good president im just saying that Id rather have him than anyone the democrats backed. If they had gotten into office we would be the United States of Sadaam

[Capt._Ron]

Haha at this rate everyone will be hopping the border into Mexico!

That shit would be awesome especially if people went over and sent so much money back that it was 30% percent of the countrys total income.

[Crazy Asian]

Like father like son? I guess Im not sure but when gore and bush i just wanted both to drop dead. Didnt like any of them.

[TIGERJC]

I never agreed with the Iraq war, but we cannot leave. If we leave Iraq in its current condition, it will come back to bite us in the ass. The U.S. should have never gone to war to begin with, but we must see it through for the sake of us in the future. I hate to see young women and men dieing over there, but we cannot leave until Iraq is stable enough to having a working gov't.

[canadianrcis]

you call bush a dumb ass, but yet you voted him in twice. so you obviously liked him. but you know you would rather have bush over that dumb faggot kerry.

[CopyRight]

this bill will be veto'ed, so it hasnt proven anything or given a date for anyone. It's like Brett said, all it is doing is halting the money the military needs...so you liberal asshats are indeed putting troops in more of harms way than Bush himself....congrats, you all got what you wanted....

[Eurostunna07]

CANADA HERE WE COMME!

[TIGERJC]

this bill will be veto'ed, so it hasnt proven anything or given a date for anyone. It's like Brett said, all it is doing is halting the money the military needs...so you liberal asshats are indeed putting troops in more of harms way than Bush himself....congrats, you all got what you wanted....

Didn't Dick Cheney tell the troops "you go with what you got and not the things you would like". I do agree with shouldn't hold any money back, but too say dems are more dangerous to the troops is crazy. Who sent them there in the first place and also is responsible for the lack of preparation for the war

[§treet_§peed]

think about it tho.. more than likely if the troops come back home. then they will try to attack here... where would you rather the war be going on? here on our land or over there?

[Kyle]

I never agreed with the Iraq war, but we cannot leave. If we leave Iraq in its current condition, it will come back to bite us in the ass. The U.S. should have never gone to war to begin with, but we must see it through for the sake of us in the future. I hate to see young women and men dieing over there, but we cannot leave until Iraq is stable enough to having a working gov't.

I agree with you. But the thing people fail to realize is that it takes a long time for a government to become stable. It doesnt happen in 5 years. And for us to ever expect that is ridiculous. People need to take a look at american history.

I honestly don't know what we expected as a nation. A war on terrorism and completely reconstructing and changing a country from the ground up are two different things. I don't think we knew what we were getting ourselves into, and I don't think America realized what Iraq is like.

[CopyRight]

Didn't Dick Cheney tell the troops "you go with what you got and not the things you would like". I do agree with shouldn't hold any money back, but too say dems are more dangerous to the troops is crazy. Who sent them there in the first place and also is responsible for the lack of preparation for the war

I am in the Army. I know first hand on how hard it is sometimes to get replacement parts and you can file dozens of request sheets, but it's gotta go thru the proper channels...

our troops are in harms way now, no question about it, but to not release more funding and make some silly bill that's unrealistic is most definately placing the troops in much more harms way.

also, everyone is quick to blame Bush....I know at least some of you took a us govt class or something, because you all cannot be that ignorant! GW didnt just wake up one morning and say, "let's goto war" and off they go. He's got his personal cabinet members who advise him and give him his information, congress has to "okay" it, so...somewhere down the line, those dumbass congressmen and women who are opposed to the war "okayed" it in the first place

[TIGERJC]

I am in the Army. I know first hand on how hard it is sometimes to get replacement parts and you can file dozens of request sheets, but it's gotta go thru the proper channels...

our troops are in harms way now, no question about it, but to not release more funding and make some silly bill that's unrealistic is most definately placing the troops in much more harms way.

also, everyone is quick to blame Bush....I know at least some of you took a us govt class or something, because you all cannot be that ignorant! GW didnt just wake up one morning and say, "let's goto war" and off they go. He's got his personal cabinet members who advise him and give him his information, congress has to "okay" it, so...somewhere down the line, those dumbass congressmen and women who are opposed to the war "okayed" it in the first place

He is the chief of the U.S. and his job is too look over almost everything and he is the one that will always be responsible for taking the credit for the good and the bad. Yea a lot of ppl are to blame, but u can't point the finger at them, b/c they do not have ultimate say so in the matter (they might). Look at ceos of companys for a good example of what I am trying to say. You don't blame the board of directors when things go bad for the company, you blame the ceo

[CopyRight]

He is the chief of the U.S. and his job is too look over almost everything and he is the one that will always be responsible for taking the credit for the good and the bad. Yea a lot of ppl are to blame, but u can't point the finger at them, b/c they do not have ultimate say so in the matter (they might). Look at ceos of companys for a good example of what I am trying to say. You don't blame the board of directors when things go bad for the company, you blame the ceo

the president doesnt have this "ultimate" say like you think! HE CANNOT JUST SAY OR ORDER OUR TROOPS TO WAR!! must be approved before congress!

the reason our govt is setup the way it is, is because our founding fathers did not want a dictatorship...you have congress, the house of reps....if they thought it was insane when we first went to war, they wouldve denied the president his request and most likely try to impeach him...

and, he is the President of the United States, and Commander in Chief ...not Chief of US.

[TIGERJC]

the president doesnt have this "ultimate" say like you think! HE CANNOT JUST SAY OR ORDER OUR TROOPS TO WAR!! must be approved before congress!

the reason our govt is setup the way it is, is because our founding fathers did not want a dictatorship...you have congress, the house of reps....if they thought it was insane when we first went to war, they wouldve denied the president his request and most likely try to impeach him...

and, he is the President of the United States, and Commander in Chief ...not Chief of US.

Its called check and balance system and yes I do know about it. You are looking at what I said to literally, if this was in the wallstreet section of the forum I would have approached like it was a history class. I blame bush and most of congress (both dems and republicans) for the war. Most americans do view the president position as king or chief of the land and thats why that position gets all the praise and blame

[Jecht]

you call bush a dumb ass, but yet you voted him in twice. so you obviously liked him. but you know you would rather have bush over that dumb faggot kerry.

I'm 19, I most certainly didn't vote for Bush because I wasn't old enough to vote when the election came around.

[man]

I'm 19, I most certainly didn't vote for Bush because I wasn't old enough to vote when the election came around.

Probably better that way...

[Big J]

My whole thought is on how to conduct the "war" is to actually play like it's war.

Establish a 5 mile no-man zone at the border, and declare the boarder closed and anyone caught comming across the border or leaving the country at any point other than a checkpoint will be shot. Close the fucking border and leave some bodies to show you mean it, 0 tolerance. The country isn't even secure as far as foregin nationals getting involved and smuggling weapons in.

Declare an intent to disarm the population and set a dead line. Anyone caught with weapons other than a pistol for personal protection will be detained or summarily executed as the situation dictates, the property where the weapons were found would be seized and demolished, the US army may not be able to carry this out, but acting along side of the Iraqi forces, the Iraqi forces could carry it out. This would cause the weapons to move because moderates would be forced to decide if it's worth it to hold stashes for insurgents. If weapons are moving you can find and track them. You would more clearly polarize the population into those who want to fight and those who don't.

The situation is too out of hand to play nice. Playing it like it is now will ensure it drags on forever with little change in sight. We might make more enemies playing hard, but it's what the situation dictates as far as conducting a proper war. Don't go to war wearing kid gloves, you're going to piss people off, your not going to win over the people, so make them choose sides and......... then conduct a war as such.

my $.02

[TIGERJC]

My whole thought is on how to conduct the "war" is to actually play like it's war.

Establish a 5 mile no-man zone at the border, and declare the boarder closed and anyone caught comming across the border or leaving the country at any point other than a checkpoint will be shot. Close the fucking border and leave some bodies to show you mean it, 0 tolerance. The country isn't even secure as far as foregin nationals getting involved and smuggling weapons in.

Declare an intent to disarm the population and set a dead line. Anyone caught with weapons other than a pistol for personal protection will be detained or summarily executed as the situation dictates, the property where the weapons were found would be seized and demolished, the US army may not be able to carry this out, but acting along side of the Iraqi forces, the Iraqi forces could carry it out. This would cause the weapons to move because moderates would be forced to decide if it's worth it to hold stashes for insurgents. If weapons are moving you can find and track them. You would more clearly polarize the population into those who want to fight and those who don't.

The situation is too out of hand to play nice. Playing it like it is now will ensure it drags on forever with little change in sight. We might make more enemies playing hard, but it's what the situation dictates as far as conducting a proper war. Don't go to war wearing kid gloves, you're going to piss people off, your not going to win over the people, so make them choose sides and......... then conduct a war as such.

my $.02

This is no longer the WW2 or even the Vietnam days, the media will not allow that to happen. You're right, but I don't see us doing anything like that in iraq, shit look at our on borders

[Big J]

Don't take that as me being a war monger, but if you're going to go to "war" don't half ass it. The entire original purpose of Armed Forces (again analize the term Armed Forces) is to kill, and those that aren't killing are supporting those that are. That's how it's designed to work. When you expect the soldiers to act as armed diplomats you're bound to fail.

[Ran]

Don't take that as me being a war monger, but if you're going to go to "war" don't half ass it. The entire original purpose of Armed Forces (again analize the term Armed Forces) is to kill, and those that aren't killing are supporting those that are. That's how it's designed to work. When you expect the soldiers to act as armed diplomats you're bound to fail.

lol @ Gunboat Diplomacy

I agree with your post for the most part. We shouldn't half@ss our way thru the war situation, but this is America. We can barely half@ss our way through our own domestic issues, much less foreign ones.

[Big J]

Maybe the problem is a larger social issue then? War is not "Amercian Idle, or Extreme Makeover Home edition" type material. Of course there are things that happen that should never be recorded, so should they be? You either have to let war be war, the most evil and true display of humans are capable of, or you have to expect it to fail, because on the other end of the spectrum is the part human nature that despises the conserted effort it's capable of to distroy itself.

[Big J]

lol @ Gunboat Diplomacy

I agree with your post for the most part. We shouldn't half@ss our way thru the war situation, but this is America. We can barely half@ss our way through our own domestic issues, much less foreign ones.

LOL at gunboat diplomacy for being the purest display of an oxymoron.

Which gets to my ultimate point, Bush is/was incapable of comprehending the complex nature of what war actually is. I truly believe he lacks the depth of thought required to do so. So he is a danger in that sense to a good portion of humanity. The UN was chartered to prevent war form being an easy process to engage in, Bush again lacked the depth of though to respect the mission and intent of the UN, again wreckless due to an incomplete thought process. I'm done.

[Jecht]

Probably better that way...

Well all the candidates weren't worthy of the position anyways. I think this next presidential election will be the same.

[Frög]

ya iraq is a shit hole

[Big J]

He would support and impose laws like the "Patriot Act", which deface common interpretation of the Constitution, but can fail to act affirmativatly enough to properly conduct a war he was hell bent on fighting in the first place, again lack of a well developed thought precess. Don't go to war, then turn around and trample on the constitution I swore to uphold when I joined the military, we are, despite our personal belifes and if only by defaul, on your team dumbass. All he had going for him when we went into Afganistan was the fact everyone was pissed off, and the Talban was in part or wholy responsible and there to accept our collective anger.

So here we are 6 years later debating a point that has changed, changed again, and has been so muttled with the passage of time, it's become more and more about Bush and American polotics.