fight club: Kind of a bad buyer, not really, but possibly.

[Miranda]

Well, he wanted me to take my issue here, so here I am.


A few months ago, fight club purchased my mother's white 2004 Subaru STi. I had been the primary driver of the vehicle for several months, since my 2005 STi had been converted into a race car. The '04 had several bolt on mods and a flash, but was otherwise a stock car in great condition. The car had NEVER been tracked, raced or taken off-road (I had a race car to do all that with).


Anyway, fight club expressed interest in the vehicle, but was pretty wishy washy on it for a while since he was stuck in a vehicle he was having trouble selling. I don't remember exactly what happened, but I think his car was wrecked, so he was ready to buy my mom's car. He was on a pretty strict budget, so $20K was the most he was able to pay for the vehicle. I agreed to sell him the vehicle, but told him it would be stock. I did, however, promise him an extra, painted front bumper.

I had Subaru of Gwinnett swap the stock exhaust from the race car over to the car I was selling, but there was no way to get a stock muffler back on. So, I talked to fight club and we agreed that he would give me back the custom straight pipe attached to the stock exhaust as soon as he purchased an exhaust for the car (which was his first order of business from what he told me).

On the date of sale, the audio shop in charge of removing the system from the white car was running several hours behind, which made me late meeting fight club at the bank. We made it there just in time to sign all the applicable paperwork, but I hadn't had the time to take the Optimum battery from the white car and swap it with the stock one from the race car. So, fight club agreed to meet with me at some point in the future (when he had a vehicle large enough to take the bumper) and swap the batteries.

We both made a few attempts to get together, but something always came up and we were unable to make the swaps. I didn't bother him about the straight pipe because I knew exhausts were expensive and it was probably going to take some time for him to get the money for one.

A little less than a week ago, someone told me they saw my old car driving around Norcross with a busted rear bumper. I called fight club to see what was up, and he informed me that he'd gotten a speeding ticket and couldn't afford the insurance anymore... so he sold the car. He never came to me to let me know he was selling the car. He never tried to make the swaps he promised he'd make.

So now, I'm out a $750 straight pipe and an Optimum battery because fight club did not honor the agreement we had. I PMed him about the mess and he ignored it. So, when I saw him trying to sell some stuff for his parents, I posted that he should take some of that money and use it to pay me what I'm out for my stuff. He then justified his actions by accusing me of racing the white car, which never happened.


Here's that thread:

MOVING SALE WEEEEEEE!!!!!!


~ Miranda

CN:
fight club didn't give back parts not included in the sale of my vehicle. Now he's sold the car, and I'm out major $$.

[2.0civic]

damn thats shitty as hell. i cant wait to hear how he defends this shit

[DrunkScotsman]

^ yeah what he said! hope you get your shit back

[aaronfelipe]

Is anything in writing?

[Kyle]

Thats pretty weak. You basically bent over backwards to help him get into the sti and he didn't return the favor. And by you trying to save him a little money, it cost you a lot.

People these days are very narrow minded.

[Miranda]

Is anything in writing?

We had a verbal agreement WITH witnesses, which is binding in the state of Georgia.

[aaronfelipe]

I know what you mean Miranda, but it looks like right now it is up to his moral to honor his word.

[quickdodge®]

Wow. Someone who actually seemed worth a shit isn't. Whatr a goddamn idiot.

Any of his attempts to sell or buy anything on IA should be halted. Later, QD.

[Miranda]

You're absolutely right. It will be up to him to decide what to do. I'm just hoping that this outlet will make it a little easier for him to make the right decision, if you know what I mean.

[2.0civic]

im going to lock his threads until this is resolved one way or another

[2.0civic]

hes been on in his thread and was on til 224 and still hasnt responded to this...shitty as hell...is that the same kid that flipped the CRV or whatever being a dumbass then trys to say YOU tracked the car?? LIRL at his credibility

[Vteckidd]

maybe im different but:

This is as much your fault as it is his. You have to assume that when you sell a car, your never going to see it again. if all that stuff meant that much to you, you should have waited to have it taken off before giving it to him. with nothing in writing, dont expect anything in court as its his word versus yours. especially 6months+ later.

If what you say is true, then yes hes wrong for not giving the parts back.

Lesson learned i guess

[Miranda]

As I stated previously, there were witnesses to our agreement, and that IS legally binding in Georgia. So no, this is not my word against his. This is fact. He wouldn't be a very smart person to deny that agreement here either, as he would be calling several prominent IA members liars.

That being said, while I don't agree that this is as much my fault as his (or that I bear any fault in this at all), I do agree that I did not handle this situation as shrewdly as I should have. I left myself open to potential problems, and I am living the consequences of doing so. I gave a kid on IA I knew the benefit of the doubt, and he turned out to be less than upstanding.

[Miranda]

hes been on in his thread and was on til 224 and still hasnt responded to this...shitty as hell...is that the same kid that flipped the CRV or whatever being a dumbass then trys to say YOU tracked the car?? LIRL at his credibility

What I can't figure out is why he accused me of racing the white car when I had a purpose built race car sitting in the garage. I can't imagine he wouldn't realize that everyone knows I have a race kaa. God knows I've whored out pictures of it enough over the last couple years.

[2.0civic]

As I stated previously, there were witnesses to our agreement, and that IS legally binding in Georgia. So no, this is not my word against his. This is fact. He wouldn't be a very smart person to deny that agreement here either, as he would be calling several prominent IA members liars.

mind saying who else witnessed it?

That being said, while I don't agree that this is as much my fault as his (or that I bear any fault in this at all), I do agree that I did not handle this situation as shrewdly as I should have. I left myself open to potential problems, and I am living the consequences of doing so. I gave a kid on IA I knew the benefit of the doubt, and he turned out to be less than upstanding.

sad that we live in that kind of world where you get screwed by people you try to help

[2.0civic]

What I can't figure out is why he accused me of racing the white car when I had a purpose built race car sitting in the garage. I can't imagine he wouldn't realize that everyone knows I have a race kaa. God knows I've whored out pictures of it enough over the last couple years.

yeah thats kinda dumb lol....what is the white cars defining characteristics to show ti was tracked

[Vteckidd]

its been 6 months, go to court, with your witnesses and watch him show up with witnesses too.

its hearsay, i would be extremely surprised if you got anything but a "sorry, have a nice day".

Verbal contracts are allowed, but IIRC isnt he under 18? i know hes not 21, so you better make sure he was even an adult when you sold the car to him.

Plus, i dont see a judge giving you anything without it in writing

[silversol]

its been 6 months, go to court, with your witnesses and watch him show up with witnesses too.

its hearsay, i would be extremely surprised if you got anything but a "sorry, have a nice day".

Verbal contracts are allowed, but IIRC isnt he under 18? i know hes not 21, so you better make sure he was even an adult when you sold the car to him.

Plus, i dont see a judge giving you anything without it in writing

x1

[Kyle]

x1

Huh? x1? So does that mean you acknowledge he said it but don't necessarily agree?

[B18c1Turboed]

So where you selling a car with no exaust system?

Because from what i understand in the state of GA that is a no no!! I can find the law later on when i not busy.

Also you stated that he was too give you the exaust system back, did you pay him the money to replace such exaust system?
I mean i dont wanna buy a car with no exaust, then after spending 20k have a loud fart can!!

[silversol]

Huh? x1? So does that mean you acknowledge he said it but don't necessarily agree?

no I was saying I agree with vteckidd

[quickdodge®]

So where you selling a car with no exaust system?

Because from what i understand in the state of GA that is a no no!! I can find the law later on when i not busy.

You must have just skipped over parts of the post.

Also you stated that he was too give you the exaust system back, did you pay him the money to replace such exaust system?
I mean i dont wanna buy a car with no exaust, then after spending 20k have a loud fart can!!

Who cares what you wanted. If that was the agreed upon deal, then that was the agreed upon deal. Later, QD.

[quickdodge®]

I have to disagree, Mike. With having several members of immediate family inside court activities for over 25 years each, I think some sort of restitution could come her way. Not saying it will, but it is a possibility. Later, QD.

[Vteckidd]

I have to disagree, Mike. With having several members of immediate family inside court activities for over 25 years each, I think some sort of restitution could come her way. Not saying it will, but it is a possibility. Later, QD.

I understand, im not saying it CANT happen, i just think its highly unlikely.

I mean, im not bashing her, im just saying, after 8months, and only after a "friend" of hers saw the car she makes a thread about this.

seems to me if it really meant that much, she should have taken it off the car BEFORE giving it and the title to Fight Club.

thats all i meant

[MistaCee]

Man you treated him like family and he did that to you? All I gotta say to him is karma is a bitch

[quickdodge®]

I understand, im not saying it CANT happen, i just think its highly unlikely.

The only thing I see making it unlikely would be the time fram(even though she just now found out).

seems to me if it really meant that much, she should have taken it off the car BEFORE giving it and the title to Fight Club.

That would have been the best thing to do...take your shit off before turning the vehicle over. But, at that same instance, it was a deal that they both agreed on and he should have kept up his end. Before selling the car to whoever he sold it to, he should have got in touch with her or taken the stuff off himself. He knew what he was doing, I'm sure and I'm sure he knew he was fucking her over. Later, QD.

[TIGERJC]

yea thats fucked up that he did that. But you cannot wait until 6-8 months after the transaction, especially if nothing is in writing. You may win in the court of law, but I highly doubt it. Best thing to do is trash him as a seller on EVERY board he is on and just take this experience as a lesson not to trust anyone

[Kyle]

no I was saying I agree with vteckidd

Ah next time try a x2. Because something x1 just equals itself, so that didn't make sense.

[gtikid]

Damn that's pretty fuckin dick. You agree to help someone out and they go on and fuck you over like that. That's some bullshit....

[Halfwit]

Ah next time try a x2. Because something x1 just equals itself, so that didn't make sense.

ROFL

[§treet_§peed]

I'm sowwy Miwanda..hope it works out for you..

[hydroshutter]

We had a verbal agreement WITH witnesses, which is binding in the state of Georgia.

Good luck with that holding up in a small claims court, even with witnesses.


Good luck with the outcome though, I hope it is positive for the both of you.

[Miranda]

Eek.. been away from the computer a few days.

To clarify a few things...

1. While it was a little over 4 months ago that I sold the car, I only found out he had sold it a few days ago. I had called him to check up on the car since I'd heard there was a rear end collision from a friend of mine, and I was concerned my exhaust had been damaged. That's when I found out he sold it.

2. In the state of Georgia, theft by conversion (which is what this equates to) has a statute of limitations of 4 years from the date of the incident (which would be the date he sold the car). That being said, I am handling this in a timely fashion.

3. Also in the state of Georgia, witnesses to the agreement do not count as hearsay. The legal definition of hearsay is as follows: "evidence from impersonal knowledge, gossip, groundless rumor, indirect evidence, popular report, unconfirmed account, unverified comments, or unverified news." As the witnesses (Justin from the LNC, Kyle from the LNC, etc) were present during the process of sale, their knowledge is direct and first person. (did I mention I'm trying to get into UGA Law School? ).



I hope this helps...

[2.0civic]

my thing is why hasnt he STILL tried to defend himself here?

[Miranda]

Cause he knows he's wrong, and he also knows that nothing he says will justify his actions. Any ideas on how to get a response out of him?

[quickdodge®]

Cause he knows he's wrong, and he also knows that nothing he says will justify his actions. Any ideas on how to get a response out of him?

It appears that this dude is a bitch and will continue to behave in a manner that will justify his being a bitch. Later, QD.

[Kyle]

Yeah I dont think he will touch this thread regardless of what is done.

[Repost Squintz]

damn, that sux.

[ORGANIZATIONXIII]

so why did you never get the agreement in writing?

I don't undestand that

[ruffriderGA]

whole thing just seems like a bad deal over all.