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    Quote Originally Posted by A.P. Photography
    Great idea Jaime. Also include some of the bigger websites like www.photography-on-the.net and the Nikon one www.nikonians.org as they have some very valuable info on them.
    Ok, thread started. Go in there and share. I'm not going to take credit for your links......although it is a good one, so I should....

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    LOL, just posted.
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    I wanna see these people post up on www.automotivephoto.net just to see how many have a shotgun in their mouth within 24 hours.

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    lol x2, im afraid to post there.
    dont take anything i say srsly. its the interwebs.


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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    I wanna see these people post up on www.automotivephoto.net just to see how many have a shotgun in their mouth within 24 hours.

    I'll bite

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    LOL yeah but you are one of the OG's. Jason was talking about the noobs.
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    Now, seriously, I am laughing at this thread...

    Why because a few years ago, I told paul, fuck this picture taking shit.. Is getting to mainstream..

    Why did I tell this to Paul ? Here you go..

    I love photography.. actually me and my 23 year old brother do.. I have always enjoy taking pictures.. One of my biggest interest.. But I never chased it because I hate being mainstream... I knew there were going to be photoghrapers popping up every where.. I dont know, just that gut feeling..

    But maybe one day, when Im not a part of IA anymore I will invest in a decent camera and just shoot shit for fun and because I like to do it.. I know if I do now and start posting pictures on IA, people will say Im jumping the bandwagon also.. But guess what , I'm not.. is just one of those things that I never pursue.. I mean, I took close to 10,000 Pictures for importatlanta when we 1st started until like 2005, I dont call my self a photograper.... Of course, shitty pictures. but we were also using shitty cameras.. The only people I knew back then taking pictures locally that were sick shit to me and I always wanted to take pictures like them, Jaime, Tom and Joey redmond, John Mulazzi....and old man Joe, who shot my car for hondatunning a few years ago.

    I do laugh that alot of people like to use water mark shit everywhere online.. Lame..

    I honestly respect all the OG's that been doing it for awhile.. I know Ive been watching Speedminded/AP and a few others for the last few years also..

    But now it seems like everyone is a photographer.. But I think a camera is as good as the person using it....

    Me and paul were going to invest some big money on cameras, because Paul likes taking pictures also.. Paul bought a nice one at one point but sold it because he saw what I was seing as well....


    I actually chill with my brother sometimes and he's been teaching me a few things here and there when time permits..
    He shoots for a couple of big companies here and GA and uses photograhpy for side $$$.. He's been doing it for a few years now..

    Here is a picture of him if any of you real photographers run into him at some kind of photoshooting event or something... He was going to shoot for IA at one time.. But we decided to drop that deal with him. Just because honestly, He wasnt going to be needed.. The future was clear once we analyzed everything.
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    As a person that just looks at pictures...and doesnt have an expensive camera. There are only a good 10 photographers on IA that i know personally that can call themselves photgraphers. but i cant hate on someone wanting to get a nice camera and take their own. I considered getting a decent camera from hanging around george and watching him work his magic. But as an observer we all know whos real and whos faking it.. And there are also people who have great cameras and take super duper over processed pictures...and it just kills everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    I wanna see these people post up on www.automotivephoto.net just to see how many have a shotgun in their mouth within 24 hours.
    I will go post up there tonight.

    I am sure I will get ripped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedminded
    I wanna see these people post up on www.automotivephoto.net just to see how many have a shotgun in their mouth within 24 hours.
    my favorite forum!

    they keep it real!

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    I agree Julio. When I first got into it heavy my greatest mentor was Tom (Quckbrick). He gave me so much advice and guided me through the gear and set ups to use.
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    Ok time for some words from a noob.

    I stole my daddy's camera and started taking pictures. I liked what I saw. I got recognition for it. So, I kept shooting. I get better every time I take a picture. I enjoy this as a hobby and I am excited that I have been able to make some money doing what I enjoy.

    Yes, I watermark my pictures. Guess what, a real photographer, a true artist and many others can critique my photos and tell me what is wrong with them. I encourage that! BUT a business would be satisfied in using my photos, people are in some cases willing to pay for them. If I leave them unwatermarked, they get stolen! Think of it this way. I had a 1993 Ford Ranger as my only truck. Now its no expensive, classy or decent vehicle in some people's eyes, but I still have the right to protect it from being stolen!!!!

    I do not see anything wrong with calling what I do a photoshoot and charging money. People are happy with my quality of work, however I do not expect to see anything of mine in the high museum. What is sold and is in the market is on a different scale. My interest in photography is on the market side. Unfortunately, I do not feel like I am an artist to the extent that I am truly expressing myself yet. I still feel that I am just getting 'good' at certain techniques. I hope that that will one day change. For now, I am content with what I am doing and I do not regret my actions.

    That being said, I have noticed, with the help of these threads that I have let my photography go static. I have not been in an environment where I get critique that helps me improve.

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    Those laughing at the watermarks must not really be 'into' photography. Jason puts his name, chang has his logo and I have mine.

    LOTS of times on MANY forums people have noticed their photo on someones website advertising a wheel. Or on some other forum claiming it to be their shot. Or uploaded to a stock photo site.

    So it matters and some people care. Sure most of the watermarks here could easily be edited out but hey, just like you protect your stuff I at least put a little effort into protecting my images. They are mine. I have made money off them and I will keep it that way.

    Those that are REALLY anal and are paying the bills and feeding their family with photography normally don't really upload that much to the web anyways. Fear of theft is a big issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DinanM3atl
    Those that are REALLY anal and are paying the bills and feeding their family with photography normally don't really upload that much to the web anyways. Fear of theft is a big issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DinanM3atl
    Those laughing at the watermarks must not really be 'into' photography. Jason puts his name, chang has his logo and I have mine.
    Really? I must not be into it then heh. Give me a photo from any one of those guys and I bet I can remove the water mark in no time. If people are that concerned about photo theft, then they need to seriously do some more research on marking.

    90 percent of the people that label their photos with their "Company" name have no real idea other than they want their name on the photo to look more professional.

    Edit: I probably read into your comment wrong in the aspect that watermarking is essential to promote yourself however a lot of people do it as a fad.

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    The thread was a bit old, methinks.

    The web is where its at. It is what copyrighters NOT looking for stock images go to first when hunting down photos.

    If you're a "real" photographer (whatever real means), then you aren't concerned about a 15 year old stealing your 72 dpi, 600x400 pixel photo and uploading it somewhere.

    Photographers who make money off of images make it by selling 300+ dpi 3000 or 4000 pixel images which you won't find on any web sites.

    The web is for low res thumbnails

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    I take pretty alright photos of shit with a $250 Fuji Point-and-Shoot.
    Music is the same way: when it's "go time," all the fancy gear in the world can't compensate for talent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XanRules
    I take pretty alright photos of shit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nemesis
    Really? I must not be into it then heh. Give me a photo from any one of those guys and I bet I can remove the water mark in no time. If people are that concerned about photo theft, then they need to seriously do some more research on marking.

    90 percent of the people that label their photos with their "Company" name have no real idea other than they want their name on the photo to look more professional.

    Edit: I probably read into your comment wrong in the aspect that watermarking is essential to promote yourself however a lot of people do it as a fad.
    Embedding with EXIF is pointless since everyone and their brother has programs to edit it now lol.

    The wisest thing to do is register any photos that are released in high resolution form. If they are then used without the photographers consent then the value of the photo PLUS punitive damages can be received. If the photo is not registered then only the value of the photo can be received. I know of many professional photographers that spend a large amount of their time and much of their income comes from copyright infringement issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XanRules
    I take pretty alright photos of shit with a $250 Fuji Point-and-Shoot.
    Music is the same way: when it's "go time," all the fancy gear in the world can't compensate for talent.
    I disagree. With the advent of the auto-focusing DSLR camera, even Joe-the-Plumber's grandma can flip the dial all the way to full automatic and take high quality, high resolution photos. Composition is subjective, and very much a matter of taste... but a 'consumer' DSLR camera will do well in automatic mode for 90% of the situations people will take photos in.

    Its not like years ago when you had to buy a high quality body, high quality film, a high quality lens *and* learn how to adjust the aperture for the ISO of the film and gauge the shutter speed for the exposure..... and after all that was done, you still had to rewind the film then take it to a good developer. All that stuff took time, effort, money, and know-how.

    Nowadays, $500 will get you an entry level camera that takes better photos than top-of-the-line slr cameras from 15 years ago... and all you need is a computer to look at them. Its easy to become a decent photographer today. Just take a butt-ton of photos until you figure out what works and what doesn't. Todays cameras do 95% of the work for you. Just aim it and press the button.

    I could teach a chimpanzee to shoot for a magazine (if I had enough bananas).

    High quality photography has come to the masses. The same thing happened to the internet. When I started school, only the geekiest people had even ever heard of email, and only the UBER-NERDS were on the internet before AOL (try BBSs, Prodigy, and CompuServe).... and only the KINGS of the UBER-NERDS knew how to create web pages with HTML/PERL

    Nowadays everyone and their freakin cat has a facebook with a gazillion pictures and multiple email/IM accounts. People will laugh in your face if you try to get a web design position without knowing HTML, Flash, PERL, Javascript, PHP, SQL and VBasic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzanman
    I could teach a chimpanzee to shoot for a magazine (if I had enough bananas).

    Step back everyone, we got a fuckin hero right here.


    btw...who are you? lol

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    I'm Tarzanman. A junior member and not a member of any public groups. (Can't you read my profile?)

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    EVIDENCE/PROOF


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    ^Do you take pictures?

    Just looking for the ethos in your argument...

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    i think photo peeps have made taking pictures of cars too much.. Its simple to get a good picture..

    Good location/Subject....and a half decent camera, and you got to have an eye for a good shot. Its like making music some people have that touch, some dont. You have ipod DJ's and you have turntable Dj's, you have photographers and post processors!

    just an non photographer outsiders opinion..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzanman
    EVIDENCE/PROOF

    Are you corbis... or are you infringing on a copyright?
    lmao... too asshole?

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    PHOTOSHOOT!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JITB
    i think photo peeps have made taking pictures of cars too much.. Its simple to get a good picture..

    Good location/Subject....and a half decent camera, and you got to have an eye for a good shot. Its like making music some people have that touch, some dont. You have ipod DJ's and you have turntable Dj's, you have photographers and post processors!

    just an non photographer outsiders opinion..
    I would consider myself a post processor! No shame in that! I'd love to be a DJ too

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    Quote Originally Posted by KustomBuildz
    I would consider myself a post processor! No shame in that! I'd love to be a DJ too
    nothin wrong with that..

    post processor's are neccesary! sometimes its too much....but its always nice to see it..

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    I struggle calling myself an artist when it comes to photography. I can produce good composition, but its only because I recognize it from seeing other people's photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KustomBuildz
    ^Do you take pictures?
    Just looking for the ethos in your argument...
    Thats a fair question. I do take pictures. I'm not aspiring to be a pro, but then again I have sold a photo before.... I snap photos for fun, and believe that most of the commercial stuff you see around isn't exactly rocket science.

    There are people out there who have a habit of taking more interesting images than others... but on this forum and others.... I see a lot of ragging on joe-blow who just bought his D40 with his kit lens.

    Joe Blow might not know how to bracket his exposure for a high contrast shot, but he is only usually about 1-month's worth of practice away from having the same technical skill as some of these "pro" togs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzanman
    I disagree. With the advent of the auto-focusing DSLR camera, even Joe-the-Plumber's grandma can flip the dial all the way to full automatic and take high quality, high resolution photos. Composition is subjective, and very much a matter of taste... but a 'consumer' DSLR camera will do well in automatic mode for 90% of the situations people will take photos in.

    Its not like years ago when you had to buy a high quality body, high quality film, a high quality lens *and* learn how to adjust the aperture for the ISO of the film and gauge the shutter speed for the exposure..... and after all that was done, you still had to rewind the film then take it to a good developer. All that stuff took time, effort, money, and know-how.

    Nowadays, $500 will get you an entry level camera that takes better photos than top-of-the-line slr cameras from 15 years ago... and all you need is a computer to look at them. Its easy to become a decent photographer today. Just take a butt-ton of photos until you figure out what works and what doesn't. Todays cameras do 95% of the work for you. Just aim it and press the button.

    I could teach a chimpanzee to shoot for a magazine (if I had enough bananas).

    High quality photography has come to the masses. The same thing happened to the internet. When I started school, only the geekiest people had even ever heard of email, and only the UBER-NERDS were on the internet before AOL (try BBSs, Prodigy, and CompuServe).... and only the KINGS of the UBER-NERDS knew how to create web pages with HTML/PERL

    Nowadays everyone and their freakin cat has a facebook with a gazillion pictures and multiple email/IM accounts. People will laugh in your face if you try to get a web design position without knowing HTML, Flash, PERL, Javascript, PHP, SQL and VBasic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzanman
    I disagree. With the advent of the auto-focusing DSLR camera, even Joe-the-Plumber's grandma can flip the dial all the way to full automatic and take high quality, high resolution photos. Composition is subjective, and very much a matter of taste... but a 'consumer' DSLR camera will do well in automatic mode for 90% of the situations people will take photos in.
    True.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzanman
    not like years ago when you had to buy a high quality body, high quality film, a high quality lens *and* learn how to adjust the aperture for the ISO of the film and gauge the shutter speed for the exposure..... and after all that was done, you still had to rewind the film then take it to a good developer. All that stuff took time, effort, money, and know-how
    I'll give you that one too.I still rock a medium/format camera that takes Polaroids /Fuji 4x5 sheet film which has to be uploaded in total darkness. and to use the camera, gotta have know your stuff..Film is very very VERY unforgiving. And its only getting more expensive..i met up with a dude months back and was boasting how he was this professional. I tossed him my Canon A1-E and he looked at it like a closed waffle house. every shot he took came out FUCKED up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzanman
    easy to become a decent photographer today. Just take a butt-ton of photos until you figure out what works and what doesn't. Todays cameras do 95% of the work for you. Just aim it and press the button.
    True and true to an extent
    everyone IA member and their grandma like u say is a photographer.(well, honestly, just fuckers that take pictures) Don't get me wrong, its great you want to learn and dig deep into it, but how dare you take that name when a good number of people don't even know how their camera truly fucking works.And whats funny to me most is, that these people dont understand that in the real world, your work can get YOU and your art director fired if its not up to their liking netherless if you don't know what the hell your doing..Unless your client doesn't have a eye to judge shit( like many members yelling sweet pic bro on here)

    it's an insult to those really doing this grind on the daily.

    Camera's do the work. true..all ya gotta do is push the button..FOr those that actually take photos, not pictures, its a lot more..Setting everything..differents in stops for your subjects, speed..correct exposure..and thats just the camera..and if your messing with lighthing, which will make or break your pic, its whole another world.. I've spent countless hours on getting my lighting and equipment set up, just to push that button like u say..

    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzanman
    i could teach a chimpanzee to shoot for a magazine (if I had enough bananas)
    Really? If you can teach a chimp to do a fashion shot like these, i'll give you all my cameras. And this more than just pushing a button




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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzanman
    Thats a fair question. I do take pictures. I'm not aspiring to be a pro, but then again I have sold a photo before.... I snap photos for fun, and believe that most of the commercial stuff you see around isn't exactly rocket science.

    There are people out there who have a habit of taking more interesting images than others... but on this forum and others.... I see a lot of ragging on joe-blow who just bought his D40 with his kit lens.

    Joe Blow might not know how to bracket his exposure for a high contrast shot, but he is only usually about 1-month's worth of practice away from having the same technical skill as some of these "pro" togs.
    Yeah, I have to be real careful with what I say... you can pull up my old threads and I'm doing all the things that I hate to see in photos now! I am happy with my photography now and I know that I can improve. My work simply gets outdated to me. One month my shots are of a whole different caliber as the next. I keep picking up techniques and gear. Basically, I can't say anything... I've gone through the JDM tilt angle phase, the outrageous HDR phase and I can't remember the half a dozen others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KustomBuildz
    Yeah, I have to be real careful with what I say... you can pull up my old threads and I'm doing all the things that I hate to see in photos now! I am happy with my photography now and I know that I can improve. My work simply gets outdated to me. One month my shots are of a whole different caliber as the next. I keep picking up techniques and gear. Basically, I can't say anything... I've gone through the JDM tilt angle phase, the outrageous HDR phase and I can't remember the half a dozen others.

    we all been there bro

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeutscheBAG!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeutscheBAG!
    we all been there bro
    Its particularly refreshing to here that from you

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    I began taking pictures/photos because of how creative you could be and to capture stuff. I'm not the best but I've learned a bit along the way. I don't do it for a living but have found that it's great to be able to take your own pictures when you're trying to promo something [marketing]. I've wanted to mess with lighting for the longest time, but the funds deplete, eventually.

    To those daily grinding, much respect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeutscheBAG!
    Really? If you can teach a chimp to do a fashion shot like these, i'll give you all my cameras. And this more than just pushing a button

    I could do it. Give me a hotshoe adapter with PC port, some alien bees, 3 crates of bananas, and one hungry chimp equipped with a Sony A200.

    Not to poke fun, but glamour photography is a lot more than just you as the photographer. You could have perfect lighting, perfect settings, a kick ass backdrop, but then the laziest most un-interesting model in the world (or her clothes suck or the make-up/hair is all wrong, etc).

    I do understand the point you are making....that there is another side to photography than cranking out perfectly focused, high resolution images. My observation/comment is that the people who understand this aren't usually threatened by the prospect of Peggy-Sue who just bought her 1DMark3 at best buy and wants to get into the business.

    The haters (who might not have as much in the way that sets them apart) are quaking in their boots, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarzanman
    I could do it. Give me a hotshoe adapter with PC port, some alien bees, 3 crates of bananas, and one hungry chimp equipped with a Sony A200.

    Not to poke fun, but glamour photography is a lot more than just you as the photographer. You could have perfect lighting, perfect settings, a kick ass backdrop, but then the laziest most un-interesting model in the world (or her clothes suck or the make-up/hair is all wrong, etc).

    I do understand the point you are making....that there is another side to photography than cranking out perfectly focused, high resolution images. My observation/comment is that the people who understand this aren't usually threatened by the prospect of Peggy-Sue who just bought her 1DMark3 at best buy and wants to get into the business.

    The haters (who might not have as much in the way that sets them apart) are quaking in their boots, though.
    Agreed..and your absolutely right.. but your gonna need more than alien bee's for those shots..and chimp are evil fuckers..I had a teacher that was attacked by them a few years ago on a shoot. they might be small but they will fuck you up

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