Definition of "Photo Shoot"

[speedminded]

The term "photo shoot" only applies to commercial photography. Generally models displaying clothes in the fashion industry or products being shot for print advertisement in newspapers, magazines, signage, etc.

Scenario One
Joe Blow in a parking lot with a car and his new DSLR machine gunning shots is not a photo shoot.

Scenario Two
Joe Blow Sr. who met with a director of marketing or an editor, etc. and was given an assignment or shooting list is. There is normally an agenda and requirements involved and generally everything is story-boarded out before even getting to the location, be it a studio or in the field. [We won't get into the legality issues and permissions involved of shooting commercially on both private and public property.]

After the photography session the photos are then sent back to said companies marketing department where they are forwarded to their illustrator(s) or graphic designer(s) to be edited then the final product will go back to the editors for review before being released to the publisher for print.

That is a photo shoot

[Jaimecbr900]

Tell us what you REALLY think there Jason.....


BTW......Santa came early for me this year......

[speedminded]

Tell us what you REALLY think there Jason.....


BTW......Santa came early for me this year......

Do I even want to know?! Is it going to make me ?

[blacknightteg]

no offense. but why the hell does it matter. i know its basically what you do for a living, but if they want to call it a photoshoot, let em. i know its stupid, but hell. lol.

[Jaimecbr900]

Do I even want to know?! Is it going to make me ?

*hint*......ds......*end/hint*

[Sammich]

check my photoshoot of my maxima

but for really jamie and speedminded...chk muh shiznit..

[speedminded]

no offense. but why the hell does it matter. i know its basically what you do for a living, but if they want to call it a photoshoot, let em. i know its stupid, but hell. lol.

If you don't put your foot down then where does it stop? Misused terms are diluting the industry just as much as sub $800 DSLR's owners doing work for free. It also gives an amateur photographer something to work for, one day actually be able to do a photo shoot and not just getting a camera for their birthday and going out and calling everything they do a photo shoot. Set the bar high and work towards it.

[Jaimecbr900]

check my photoshoot of my maxima

but for really jamie and speedminded...chk muh shiznit..

I don't do critiques......but just be mindful of your background......

[Ed]

Tell em jason

[Sammich]

lol no no critiqing(sp?) just check what i did to it

PS my background involves a trash can and a portapotty bwahahahahahahaha

[blacknightteg]

If you don't put your foot down then where does it stop? Misused terms are diluting the industry just as much as sub $800 DSLR's owners doing work for free. It also gives an amateur photographer something to work for, one day actually be able to do a photo shoot and not just getting a camera for their birthday and going out and calling everything they do a photo shoot. Set the bar high and work towards it.

i can understand that, but i mean you gotta see it from other peoples perspective.

[EJ25RUN]

I think phootshoot is simple taking photos.

A Professional photoshoot would require hiring a pro to do the same.

[Jaimecbr900]

no offense. but why the hell does it matter. i know its basically what you do for a living, but if they want to call it a photoshoot, let em. i know its stupid, but hell. lol.

It matters to more people than you think. Trust me.


Look at it this way:

YOU own a car dealership. YOU are very straight up and good with your customers. YOU work hard and spend lots of money to maintain that reputation. Your neighbor throws up a rickety sign and buys a bunch of rust buckets and calls himself a car dealer. He tries to steal the nails off the cross with everybody that walks in. HE gives your hard effort a bad name. Now.....do you think you'd like that?

[speedminded]

I don't do critiques......but just be mindful of your background......

I'm pretty much the same way, unless i'm asked specific questions I generally won't critique. It depends on how the photographer presents themselves and their work too.

[Jaimecbr900]

lol no no critiqing(sp?) just check what i did to it

PS my background involves a trash can and a portapotty bwahahahahahahaha

Hence my post......

Glad you dropped the max too.

[Sammich]

but a photoshoot is when you are shooting photos....

*runs*

seriously, i see what the hype is about in calling every pic that u do a photoshoot and the aggravation about it is. i really dont see why people call all pics a photoshoot, its stupid. i mean, its like u say, just cuz u have a $800 camera doesnt make u a photographer. i just want to learn to take good pics myself, and i have a nice cheap camera that does the job and will get me what i want for now. i cant see spending that much for a camera anyway

[blacknightteg]

It matters to more people than you think. Trust me.


Look at it this way:

YOU own a car dealership. YOU are very straight up and good with your customers. YOU work hard and spend lots of money to maintain that reputation. Your neighbor throws up a rickety sign and buys a bunch of rust buckets and calls himself a car dealer. He tries to steal the nails off the cross with everybody that walks in. HE gives your hard effort a bad name. Now.....do you think you'd like that?

i wouldnt hate it cuz honestly i probably would have started exactly where he was back in the day. i look at things in different way then a lot of people. everyone has to start somewhere, and if they use a word, who cares. its not that big of a deal to me honestly, a photoshoot is a photoshoot. one just involves more of a professional appeal then the other.

[speedminded]

It matters to more people than you think. Trust me.


Look at it this way:

YOU own a car dealership. YOU are very straight up and good with your customers. YOU work hard and spend lots of money to maintain that reputation. Your neighbor throws up a rickety sign and buys a bunch of rust buckets and calls himself a car dealer. He tries to steal the nails off the cross with everybody that walks in. HE gives your hard effort a bad name. Now.....do you think you'd like that?

Don't forget the guy next door then forces you to lower your prices. Competition is one thing but doing so while not withholding a quality standard is another. Mediocre work that "will do" verses quality for just a little more. With the way the economy and with cuts in advertising budgets which one do you think will win?

[A.P. Photography]

*hint*......ds......*end/hint*

Nice! MK2 or MK3?

Don't forget the guy next door then forces you to lower your prices. Competition is one thing but doing so while not withholding a quality standard is another. Mediocre work that "will do" verses quality for just a little more. With the way the economy and with cuts in advertising budgets which one do you think will win?

Hit the nail on the head.

[speedminded]

*hint*......ds......*end/hint*

Diamondshwartz? haha

[Jaimecbr900]

i wouldnt hate it cuz honestly i probably would have started exactly where he was back in the day. i look at things in different way then a lot of people. everyone has to start somewhere, and if they use a word, who cares. its not that big of a deal to me honestly, a photoshoot is a photoshoot. one just involves more of a professional appeal then the other.

You would if you ACTUALLY did it. Its easy to say that you wouldn't care when you have nothing invested, hence nothing to lose. Much like people that are sooooo against guns.....UNTIL THEY get robbed......tune changes when reality hits.

A watered down drink is NEVER going to taste as good as one that is done right. Both called "drinks", but which one is a true drink???

[CHADbee]

ok question, when i "took pictures" for the GA G35/350Z club we went to 3 different locations, i charged per car, and locations/price/time/date were all set 2 weeks in advance. people were told you will get "this" for "that" amount of money.

i called that a photoshoot, just out of curiosity do you agree with me on that one?

[Jaimecbr900]

Nice! MK2 or MK3?

Couldn't swing the MK3, wish I could've afforded that one since it's the one I really wanted, but I got the MK2. I'm still trying to figure it out. It's crazy complicated at first, but I'm sure I'll get the hang of it soon enough. I'm also thinking about picking up the 24-105 L, although I like the 17-40 L too.

[A.P. Photography]

Couldn't swing the MK3, wish I could've afforded that one since it's the one I really wanted, but I got the MK2. I'm still trying to figure it out. It's crazy complicated at first, but I'm sure I'll get the hang of it soon enough. I'm also thinking about picking up the 24-105 L, although I like the 17-40 L too.

Yeah it is a bit of a learning curve but you will get it. The 24-105 is a great walk around and general lens. I have thought about picking that lens up but not sure as I wouldn't mind getting the 100-400L a lil more. The 17-40L is nice but a lilttle short for most shooting enviroments, I rarley use my 16-35L.

[A.P. Photography]

ok question, when i "took pictures" for the GA G35/350Z club we went to 3 different locations, i charged per car, and locations/price/time/date were all set 2 weeks in advance. people were told you will get "this" for "that" amount of money.

i called that a photoshoot, just out of curiosity do you agree with me on that one?

In this case I would agree to an extent. You set up parameters, executed shots for a client, and were paid. This in its rawest form is a photoshoot. This topic mainly covers those with cameras that take photos and call them photoshoots when they are just snap shots. Pulling into a parking lot or field and snapping photos is not a photoshoot.

[speedminded]

ok question, when i "took pictures" for the GA G35/350Z club we went to 3 different locations, i charged per car, and locations/price/time/date were all set 2 weeks in advance. people were told you will get "this" for "that" amount of money.

i called that a photoshoot, just out of curiosity do you agree with me on that one?

Yes and no.

It's a grey area. Is it technically a professional job, yes...yes because you got paid. If it's for people to have photos of their own car for personal use then technically it wouldn't be. If the photos are being used to market and advertise the club and get people to join then it could be considered a photo shoot.

Shooting a group of cars in a shop to put on the shops website, brochure, or business cards is a photo shoot. It's a commercial session being done to market a business or advertise a product. It is for commercial advertising purposes.

But if that is the case then a real estate agent taking photos of a house with his/her cellphone to put in the paper or real estate guide is a photo shoot as well, lol.

...or even me taking photos for car dealerships to put on their website, autotrader, craigslist, etc. I got paid to market the sale of an item for a business yet I would still never call it photo shoot.

[CHADbee]

thanks guys on the opinions. i just wanted to know what others thought about the subject. now what about this....

http://www.ob-photo.com/2008/09/auto...klee/#more-415

say that 350Z^ is his best friends car. on a boring sunday afternoon they decide to go take some pictures of the Z, its not planned, payed for and not used to promote the 350Z. its just cause dude wanted nice pictures of his 350Z, if that a photo shoot?

[speedminded]

As for the modeling and fashion industry it's basically the same way. A model gets photos taken for either advertising the clothes they have on or marketing themselves.

Is a women getting glamour shots done for her spouse a photo shoot? Not really.

Is a women having her photo taken to put on a comp card or portfolio to present to an agency? Yes. She is marketing herself.

My idea is if a model release is involved them technically it is a photo shoot. Matt probably has a lot more to add to this then I do!

[A.P. Photography]

thanks guys on the opinions. i just wanted to know what others thought about the subject. now what about this....

http://www.ob-photo.com/2008/09/auto...klee/#more-415

say that 350Z^ is his best friends car. on a boring sunday afternoon they decide to go take some pictures of the Z, its not planned, payed for and not used to promote the 350Z. its just cause dude wanted nice pictures of his 350Z, if that a photo shoot?

In that scenario then no.

[Jaimecbr900]

Yeah it is a bit of a learning curve but you will get it. The 24-105 is a great walk around and general lens. I have thought about picking that lens up but not sure as I wouldn't mind getting the 100-400L a lil more. The 17-40L is nice but a lilttle short for most shooting enviroments, I rarley use my 16-35L.

Yeah, the hardest part is re-arranging the buttons to where I can remember where all the stuff is..... It has a lot of features, but it's all user programmable too. I just have to sit down with it and put it where I want it and then I'll get comfy with it. It's definetly different.

I'm getting a smoking deal on the 24-105, which is why I'm leaning towards it too.

[CHADbee]

In that scenario then no.

ok but if the scenario was it was payed, planned and he was using the photos to promote the car as in he was selling it or the photos were used in advertising for a stoptech brakes ad in a magazine the answer would be yes.

or if it was payed, planned but still for nothing but personal use it would still not be a photo shoot.

basically no matter the skill or the quality of the photos if they are not used to promote something its not a photo shoot.

ive never really thought about it myself, i always called something a photo shoot if i was getting payed for what i was doing no matter what the intended use of the photos were.

[speedminded]

thanks guys on the opinions. i just wanted to know what others thought about the subject. now what about this....

http://www.ob-photo.com/2008/09/auto...klee/#more-415

say that 350Z^ is his best friends car. on a boring sunday afternoon they decide to go take some pictures of the Z, its not planned, payed for and not used to promote the 350Z. its just cause dude wanted nice pictures of his 350Z, if that a photo shoot?

If Nismo originally requested the photos be done and payed for them to advertise their products then yes. If a car magazine payed the photographer to take the photos then yes.

Now if Modified Magazine saw the photos on the photographers website and wanted to purchase them for their magazine would that make it a photo shoot?? Technically yes but any reputable magazine wouldn't do that because they normally only want original work that hasn't been seen by the public yet.

[CHADbee]

If Nismo originally requested the photos be done and payed for them to advertise their products then yes. If a car magazine payed the photographer to take the photos then yes.

Now if Modified Magazine saw the photos on the photographers website and wanted to purchase them for their magazine would that make it a photo shoot?? Technically yes but any reputable magazine wouldn't do that because they normally only want original work that hasn't been seen by the public yet.

ok what about this LOL the photographer has the pictures of the Z on his website to promote his photography business....

i know im getting a little here but humor me please. while the car itself isnt promoting anything, the photos of the car are being used to promote the photographers work correct? theres just such a fine line here

another example, this....



is not being used by the parents to try to get their little girl a modeling job, but i use it for my crappy little portfolio to promote myself as a "photographer" to people that want quality pictures of their children. when i took pictures of her i knew i was going to use those pictures in my portfolio, still not a photoshoot?

[A.P. Photography]

ok what about this LOL the photographer has the pictures of the Z on his website to promote his photography business....

i know im getting a little here but humor me please. while the car itself isnt promoting anything, the photos of the car are being used to promote the photographers work correct? theres just such a fine line here

another example, this....


is not being used by the parents to try to get their little girl a modeling job, but i use it for my crappy little portfolio to promote myself as a "photographer" to people that want quality pictures of their children. when i took pictures of her i knew i was going to use those pictures in my portfolio, still not a photoshoot?

Ok here is the basis for how I see it. I rarely ever consider car photography a photoshoot unless you are getting paid by a client (i.e. magazine or shop). As for people photography, if you are doing a shoot to obtain images of a model (paid or TF*) for promotion (print/web/port) or are hired by a client to do the shots, then I consider that a photoshoot. Pulling out a camera and taking pics of your boyfriend/girlfriend on your porch is not a photoshoot. Parking a car in a field or parking lot and snapping some pics is not a photoshoot.

[A.P. Photography]

Yeah, the hardest part is re-arranging the buttons to where I can remember where all the stuff is..... It has a lot of features, but it's all user programmable too. I just have to sit down with it and put it where I want it and then I'll get comfy with it. It's definetly different.

I'm getting a smoking deal on the 24-105, which is why I'm leaning towards it too.

That is just old age setting in. Just draw you up a cheat sheet to carry with you.

Get it, I have heard great things about that lens.

[Jaimecbr900]

That is just old age setting in. Just draw you up a cheat sheet to carry with you.

Get it, I have heard great things about that lens.

You're right actually... I was playing with it and started hitting buttons.....I got so lost that I couldn't get the camera to even take a pic..... I looked like a monkey trying to beat a square peg in a round hole......

I think I am going to pick up that 24-105L. I just wish it had an inverted barrel design like the 24-70 though. It's so much nicer looking when you don't have the barrel sticking out. Oh well....if it shoots like other L's, then it's worth it.

[Jaimecbr900]

Chad....you part Lawyer or what??? JP.

I think Jason made this thread in response to sooooo many people calling everything a "photo shoot" even if they just pulled out their cell phone to take the pics of a car in a shopping center parking lot.

[blacknightteg]

You would if you ACTUALLY did it. Its easy to say that you wouldn't care when you have nothing invested, hence nothing to lose. Much like people that are sooooo against guns.....UNTIL THEY get robbed......tune changes when reality hits.

A watered down drink is NEVER going to taste as good as one that is done right. Both called "drinks", but which one is a true drink???

but thats competition. everyone deals with that. shit thats the nature of the beast. if your going to bitch about someone comming next door to you giving you competition, you shouldnt have gotten into the business to begin with.

[CHADbee]

Chad....you part Lawyer or what??? JP.

I think Jason made this thread in response to sooooo many people calling everything a "photo shoot" even if they just pulled out their cell phone to take the pics of a car in a shopping center parking lot.

shit i wish, if i was id have part that salary!

and i understand where he is coming from and it frustrates me as well, but i just wanted to get down to the exact definition of it. which is what he said it was, taking pictures of something used for promotion but i personally believe that can be stretched, i had planned on going out soon with my buddy that has a really nice s2000 and shooting his car in a very nice location for him to have some nice pictures of his car. ive planned this for a few weeks with him and scouted locations cause i plan to really step my game up with this shoot, take my time shooting and in post processing and really do it right. am i getting paid? no he is one of my best friends since childhood. will the images be used for an ad for cusco? nope. will the photos be proper? i hope. in my eyes the time and effort put into it and what the end result will look like(hopefully) makes it a photoshoot of a s2000. but its weird cause by definition, like speedminded said its not but will i call it a photoshoot? sure will LOL

again im not trying to debate or argue over it cause it pisses me off too when i see the word photoshoot and see light poles growing out of roof lines of cars, parking lot lines everywhere and shitty composition/lighting.

[Jaimecbr900]

but thats competition. everyone deals with that. shit thats the nature of the beast. if your going to bitch about someone comming next door to you giving you competition, you shouldnt have gotten into the business to begin with.

No, that's NOT competition. It's false advertising. There's a big difference. Competition implies a level playing field. If someone uses false advertisement to get their product across, then they are NOT competing at all. They are making things up as they go along.