i havnt really looked at the entire thread but I will say this.. at work I see everything called a pitbull.. anything that even resembles one is called a pit now a days.. having a pit is a status thing.. its the cool thing to do sort of speak.. I have always been around pits.. i think they are the most intellengent and good looking dogs.. when you have a real pitbull ( or shall i say staffordshire terrier) you can tell the difference between them and what is known today as a pitbull which usually are american bulldogs or mutts with some pitbull in them... it kills me to see how pitbulls are now seen as they were ment to be guard dogs back in the olden days of royalty...not vicous fighting dogs