Big Bang theory.
Ok what do you think about it?
Things swirling in the atomsphere and then an explosion and then some other stuff happened and here we are?
If so, where the stuff floationg in the atmosphere come from? Then where did that come from?
Or, did a supreme being create all this stuff and then stop caring about everything?
its about as likely as virgins being impregnated and bodies resurrecting... but my personal take is divine intervention of sort but not what man has become to believe.
its more likely than a woman being less equal than a man, a woman being made from a rib, a talking snake, a man separating the red sea
but thats my
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Again with "likelyhoods" based upon human reasoning....good luck with that.
The EVIDENCE on the other hand...as stated and pointed out numerous times on this board....would lead one to think that Creation is quite plausible...and even likely.
evidence....Originally Posted by metalman
The EVIDENCE on the other hand...as stated and pointed out numerous times on this board....would lead one to think that Creation is quite plausible...and even likely.right buddy
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Again with "likelyhoods" based upon human reasoning....good luck with that.
The EVIDENCE on the other hand...as stated and pointed out numerous times on this board....would lead one to think that Creation is quite plausible...and even likely.
bahhhh ok evidence from what your HUMAN REASONING... good call
Maybe I missed it but did you dodge the question? How did Earth and all the planets get here? Cosmic explosion, a supreme being, something else?
Somebody answer that question or give it a shot at least.
i didn't dodge the question i answered it. if you want a better explanation ask a more indepth question. divine intervention starts the cycle and evolution/science has done the rest. BAM KICK THAT UP A NOTCH! we are here.
ps. i still dont' belive in your GOD so dont' mistake my answer.
What? Do you know me or my God?
Divine intervention. Interesting. Who do YOU think did that? (Just asking, I'm not implying shit)
Have you ever read The Phenomenon of Man by Teilhard De Chardin?
I also believe it was started on a path and it evolved into other things.
Anyway to your assumptions of my beliefs, I'm not a bible thumper, I'm educated and I'm asking other educated people questions. I think you have me all wrong.
I believe that God created all things.
Rad.
Hey you were asking what we believed happened. I dont believe in the big bang theory at all.
Uh huh. Your name is biblethumper and have been here for how long with how many posts?
I'm looking for open minded arguments. Why do YOU not believe in the big bang theory?
On a side note, I question everything and everybody. If somebody thinks they know me or my beliefs from the internet alone, they are the furthest from it.
I dont think I'm overtly biased I just play the advocate for a God most of the time when there is none.
i didn't assume anything... all i said is dont believe in your god... so if you do/don't have one my image of GOD (a god) mine is different then yours. if anyone is making assumptions you are assuming that you believe in the image of god that i have. the last line was added b/c you made me restate my answer b/c you said i dodged your question.
NO GODS NO MASTERS , CHOOSE YOUR HEAVEN
I understand that. I was told that there was a religion forum on this site and came to see what was up with it and give my opinion like everyone else. I was brought up in a Christian home. My Grandparents are preachers and so I have been born into the religion. I myself went away from the church because I felt that I was being pressured into believing. But certain things in my life brought me back to God. Everyone has their right to believe what they want to and I am not here to push my beliefs onto anyone.
Aha you added a line since I last saw this. I see what you're saying but isnt that self explanatory about everybody has their own image of God? Like reading a book. 2 people read the same thing but think the characters look different.
well yes and no... christians or any religion has a more general idea of what their god is so... if you ask two christians the same question answers will be similar... we all know i'm not religious so my image of god is different then a christians image of GOD.
god <> GOD
^ get my drift
I get your drift. I look to my God as a supreme being and you dont believe in Him at all. I am not going to hold it against you at all. I am not here to judge.
exactly... i personally just like to invoke thought... discussing religion is like taking a knife to a gun fight... your not going to win but hey you gain perspective... next time take a gun
Right Right. Religion will ALWAYS be a matter of debate. There will always be the believers and nonbelievers. But I think we can coexist as long as we dont push our religion on those we know dont share the same opinion. Like I hate it when JW's come knocking on your door and basically shoving their lil pamphlets in your face.
lol actually i enjoyed it... my father is disfellowshiped and always had an earful for those wanting knock on the door and discuss the end of the world
I can understand that. But I dont like the whole let me knock on your door and tell you about God even though I have no idea if you believe in Him or not.
^ what kills me is the children they brainwash into doing this... seriously i believe its as bad as prostitution
Yeah I really do hate the whole pushing religion upon kids. If my children tell me they dont want to go to church anymore I will not make them go. That is their choice. Right now they love it and I pray that that attitude continues.
Paul here is the twist to my story.....
My ex (kids dad) is an atheist. I never pushed my religion on him and he never gave me crap about it either. I took the kids to church with me, but promised him that if the kids decided that they did not want to go to church anymore I would not make them.
that is cool... this is why i would never marry a christian... b/c its such a sensitive subject... its good though you allow your children that right, i will do the same when if ever i have kids.but promised him that if the kids decided that they did not want to go to church anymore I would not make them.
Thats whats interesting about this subject. You and the other naysayers have presented NOTHING in the way of physical evidence in favor of your position. No actual EVIDENCE of any kind. Only disbelief and reasoning, no PHYSICAL evidenceevidence....
Creationists here however have presented UNREFUTED PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of Creation in our discussion on the subject. I can mention several things that have NEVER been refuted even slightly.
As you know, I am all about freedom, believe whatever you wish, I am completely okay with that, youre an allright dude for the most part but you LIE if you say evidence for creation has not been given. Its been given, and plenty of it.
NEVER EVER?
if we havent "presented" any evidence than neither have you
you say look around, test the bible, you can do the same for science
Creationists here however have presented UNREFUTED PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of Creation in our discussion on the subject. I can mention several things that have NEVER been refuted even slightly.
unrefuted? thats a good one
using god as an answer is only plausible to the believers because god can do anything according to you
let me say again there is no UNREFUTED evidence, thats only in your eyesAs you know, I am all about freedom, believe whatever you wish, I am completely okay with that, youre an allright dude for the most part but you LIE if you say evidence for creation has not been given. Its been given, and plenty of it.
believe waht you want i dont care but do go saying that you have presented UNREFUTED evidence because evidence for all sides can be refuted
Val for President
Okay. Why dont you undertake a discussion of pulonium halos. These nano second lasting "bubbles" are physically present in rock that forms the foundation of the earth. There is no way they can be there in the theory of evolution. That leaves us with the only other possibility on the table....instant creation by a God.if we havent "presented" any evidence than neither have you
you say look around, test the bible, you can do the same for science
unrefuted? thats a good one
using god as an answer is only plausible to the believers because god can do anything according to you
let me say again there is no UNREFUTED evidence, thats only in your eyes
believe waht you want i dont care but do go saying that you have presented UNREFUTED evidence because evidence for all sides can be refuted
We have this physical evidence. So now what?? The only possible theory we have that can fit it at all is CREATION.
So...go ahead, get started on that, try to refute it. No one has yet. No geologist, no scientist. Those who have tried have only shown that they havent even a complete understanding of the subject. So what is the approach of "science" now? Censorship. Now thats real scientific!
So then, why dont you undertake this subject. And when youre finished with that one we can move on to several other physical evidences we have, such as the SUDDEN INSTANTANEOUS appearance of complex lifeforms in our fossil record etc etc
As I have said, the evidence is there. If you wish to ignore it thats your choice and fine with me...but the evidence is still there.
wow science to disprove science. hulud there is a previous discusstion on this in hereOkay. Why dont you undertake a discussion of pulonium halos. These nano second lasting "bubbles" are physically present in rock that forms the foundation of the earth. There is no way they can be there in the theory of evolution. That leaves us with the only other possibility on the table....instant creation by a God.
We have this physical evidence. So now what?? The only possible theory we have that can fit it at all is CREATION.
So...go ahead, get started on that, try to refute it. No one has yet. No geologist, no scientist. Those who have tried have only shown that they havent even a complete understanding of the subject. So what is the approach of "science" now? Censorship. Now thats real scientific!
So then, why dont you undertake this subject. And when youre finished with that one we can move on to several other physical evidences we have, such as the SUDDEN INSTANTANEOUS appearance of complex lifeforms in our fossil record etc etc
As I have said, the evidence is there. If you wish to ignore it thats your choice and fine with me...but the evidence is still there.
The biggest problem I have with the "Big Band theory" is the probability or lack thereof of millions of complex actions and reactions that have to occur in exact sequences in order for even the simplest organisms to "exist". Thousands of books have been written using this premise as fact, yet in the history of earth it's been unreplicable. IF pure Science could create it, why can't Science duplicate it again? We are infinitely more advanced now then we were yesterday, yet no scientist has ever created ANY new matter. Yes, we've had people say they have, but ironically enough it goes against "scientific laws"......so go figure.
Either way, anything is plausible......but using logic it looks more like it's busted rather than confirmed.
thank you Dr. Metalman for that scientific explanation.
it all makes sense now, now i suddenly believe in creationism
since scientists dont know the answer YET it must mean god did it. hmm the common answer to the unknown
there is evidence but its how you interpret it, as i have told you before, you can indterpret it as god and i can as science. if you want to argue that (which you seem to do) you will look like an ignorant personSo...go ahead, get started on that, try to refute it. No one has yet. No geologist, no scientist. Those who have tried have only shown that they havent even a complete understanding of the subject. So what is the approach of "science" now? Censorship. Now thats real scientific!
So then, why dont you undertake this subject. And when youre finished with that one we can move on to several other physical evidences we have, such as the SUDDEN INSTANTANEOUS appearance of complex lifeforms in our fossil record etc etc
As I have said, the evidence is there. If you wish to ignore it thats your choice and fine with me...but the evidence is still there.
Val for President
i know so why is there another thread on this?
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You started by saying one thing and now twisted it into another.thank you Dr. Metalman for that scientific explanation.
it all makes sense now, now i suddenly believe in creationism
since scientists dont know the answer YET it must mean god did it. hmm the common answer to the unknown
there is evidence but its how you interpret it, as i have told you before, you can indterpret it as god and i can as science. if you want to argue that (which you seem to do) you will look like an ignorant person
You mocked the idea that there IS any evidence and implied there wasn't.
Well Mr Hulud, there IS evidence. Much of it. The fact is that this specific evidence does NOT point to evolution and but ONLY to Creation as those are the only two "theorys" we have on the table. The only way this particular item can exist is for rock to be formed instantly. Other then Creation, there is no other theory known that involves instant rock! In addition there are many other physical evidences present even Darwin agreed which ONLY really point to Creation and make a strong case for it.
On the other hand, there is NO real credible evidence for evolution. It is only a theory really.
In spite of these facts I think you have stated you dont believe in Creation. I get that. What your belief is or is not isnt whats disputed. You can believe whatever you wish.
The fact remains, there IS evidence OF/FOR Creation.
The fact you dont accept it is beside the point.
Wouldn't that be more opinion? I agree with Hulud in that what you see as "creation," others would believe it is scientific. You(sorry, not you personally) think it's "creation" because you believe in God. Others may see the same thing, but since they don't believe in God, believe it to be of a scientific origin. You see where I'm coming from.The fact remains, there IS evidence OF/FOR Creation.
Now I know you'll probably make a response trying to make me look like I'm an idiot, because that is the usual for you towards me in here. But my reply is just that. A reply and an observation that I see. Later ,QD.
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First, I have no desire to make you look like an idiot. Period. If I have done that to you I apologize. It was not intentional.
I cannot warranty what you might do to yourself.Hey, I am joking man....Seriously.
As to your point...
The scientific explanation/origin for the particular item is INSTANT ROCK. There is no other scientific explanation or origin.
Given that we have only two theorys on the table THIS evidence only fits with one....Creation. Therefore it clearly is evidence for the Creation theory.
Does it prove creation beyond a shadow of any doubt scientificly to all humans? No.
Is it clearly evidence for instant creation as indicated in the Bible? Yes.
Is it evidence that clearly eraticates the theory of rock being formed over milions & milions & millions of years? Yes. This discovery alone makes that theory (for which there is no evidence) impossible.
Now then, when you couple this evidence with the OTHER evidence (much mentioned in other threads) together a picture begins to emerge. And that picture clearly points to creation as the "most likely" scenario that brought us to existence.
As I said, my point was that evidence for creation exists, and clearly exists, and those who say it doesnt exist are telling something untrue.
actually it doesntAs I said, my point was that evidence for creation exists, and clearly exists, and those who say it doesnt exist are telling something untrue.
how do bubbles in a rock prove creation?
untill you witness a rock or human or whatever pop out of no where into life then you can say there is evidence but until then its still only theory like evertything else
Val for President
Thanks for your first comment. And a big LOLOL to the latter. Lolol.First, I have no desire to make you look like an idiot. Period. If I have done that to you I apologize. It was not intentional.
I cannot warranty what you might do to yourself.
Yea, but the Bible is only as how each individual interprets it. Me personally, I can't base my whole life or the meaning of life or the beginning of life on a book that who really knows if it's based on fact or fiction. I think it's a great story/morals to live by book and nothing more.Is it clearly evidence for instant creation as indicated in the Bible? Yes.
As I said, my point was that evidence for creation exists, and clearly exists, and those who say it doesnt exist are telling something untrue.
And to clarify, metalman, I do believe in God, as horrid as it may sound coming from me. I just have too many questions that NO ONE will ever be able to answer. And, just as in my ghost hunting expeditions, I like to look at both sides of the coin when looking at something. Science and ?. Later, QD.
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thats the truth
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Fact-actually it doesnt
how do bubbles in a rock prove creation?
untill you witness a rock or human or whatever pop out of no where into life then you can say there is evidence but until then its still only theory like evertything else
Its not a "theory" that those exist....they DO. You can even look at pictures of them. Theyre not a theory, they are existing physical evidence, just like fingerprints at a crime scene.
No matter how you put your hands over your eyes so that you can't seem them, theyre still there.
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